Thursday, October 26, 2006

A Problem of Definitions.

I just listened to the latter half of an interview with Bill Maher by Joe Scarborough. Scarborough asks if he thinks Bush should be impeaced. Maher says, Well duh. Scarborough says, Hey, it's not like he got rid of habeas corpus with the stroke of a pen. Maher says, Well, actually, yeah, he did. Scarborough then says, You crazy, man, crazy! After all, we didn't offer habeas protections to the Nazis or the Japs.

This seems to be a common category error. Am I alone in feeling entirely unconfused about the definition of Prisoner of War? It's not that our nation has denied its detainees habeas; it's not that our nation has denied its detainees POW status; it's that we've denied them both, constructing out of papier-mâché, bubble gum, and the contents of Puff the Magic Dragon's unwanted-gifts box a shiny new non-category called "illegal enemy combatant," against whom we assert an indefinable illegality which denies the basic rights of Prisoners of War while simultaneously, incoherently, inhumanly, and uncivilly denying them the rights of every other prisoner accused of extralegal or illegal activity: the right to challenge their detention.

That, Inquisitor, is the problem.

Unfortunately, the easy conclusion that Joe Scarborough is just one more jackass in our nation of jackasses proves wrong. Bill defends his proposition that habeas has been stricken, and Joe comes back: How are the Donkles gonna impeach a guy for doing something that a bunch of em voted for?

How, motherfuckers, how indeed?

5 comments:

roxtar said...

Bill defends his proposition that habeas has been stricken, and Joe comes back: How are the Donkles gonna impeach a guy for doing something that a bunch of em voted for?

Well if that isn't the most depressing thing I've read all day.....

IOZ said...

Yeah, well, consider that these two intellectual titans are an ex-Congressman cable-news bloviator and the archetypal second-rate American comic, yet still they sound like a couple of modern-day Sophists when compared to their various and sundry brethren.

How's that for depressing.

Anonymous said...

It's not a new category at all, IOZ, it's simply a question of who belongs in it. From Len Deighton, Ian Fleming, and John Le Carre, we know all about due process for spies and saboteurs.

Yes, we know Muslim states wisely left off expressing their implacable anti-Israel, anti-West sentiments on the conventional (read: conventions apply) battlefield. The class of murderous Muslim civilian-targeting infiltrators who subsequently took up the sword, so to speak, don't deserve to be treated like that one we all love, that Man In A Uniform.

Anonymous said...

No way anyone could of expected the republicans to defend themselves with you voted for it too.

That's unprecedented.

Oh wait, didn't they tar old Kerry with that brush in aught-four?

Well, the democrats probably just missed that tactic back then.

Maher says we should impeach Bush for his paralysis when told the Country's under attack.

That's as good a reason as an offside blow-job.

IOZ said...

I'm not sure that the Bond books are exactly the proper citation for this particular debate. Unless you're suggesting that we're about to run the laser through Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's privates.

Less glibly, I'm not sure why anti-Western sentiments, or anti-Israeli sentiments for that matter, among the people against whom the so-called West is supposedly at war should disqualify them from protections as prisoners of war. Isn't it natural that they'd hold such sentiments? The argument against "civilian infiltrators," really boils down to: "Because our opponents refuse to stick to those tactics which will guarantee American victory every time, they must be worse than criminals and subject to no legal protections whatsoever."