Henley's got the linkage. Read it. Meanwhile, let me quote his fourth point in its entirety:
4. You can make a case that al-Qaeda’s second life in Waziristan is a result of the US getting “distracted” from Afghanistan by Iraq, but you can make at least as good a case that events show the pointlessness of invading Afghanistan in the first place. The political limitations on attacking Pakistan were always going to be there, whether the US invaded Iraq or not. There may have been better, less military means of g0ing Bin Laden and his brain trust after the massacres of September 11, 2001. The US as a whole and the Bush Administration in particular may have put more premium on the emotional satisfaction of hitting somebody than the bona fide achievement of shutting down the 9/11 killers. In other words, the current situation in Waziristan should make us reconsider the merits of the most marginalized figures in Western politics, the Afghan-war doves.I was an Afghan-war dove. Here is what I wrote this January:
There may be military responses, but there are no solutions. The attacks of September 11, 2001--the apparrant casus belli for the Afghanistan invasion--were carried out by Saudis trained in mobile camps in a foreign country. That it occured in Afghanistan under a government that gave aid or shelter is really immaterial. There are any number of governments that would let any number of people do any number of things for the right kinds and amounts of kickbacks. The idea that deposing a government, bombing some encampments that--by video evidence at least--seem constructed entirely of canvas tents and jungle gyms, and propping up some marginally more friendly ethnic group as a new government serves materially to decrease either the capacity of non-state actors or to mitigate against their intentions is foolishness. And the inevitable outcome in Afghanistan, which we see clearly now, is that there will once again be internal strife until this or that group establishes dominance, or until several achieve equilibrium, and then everyone will go right on herding goats and growing poppy and firing off an occasional celebratory round or two on the old Kalishnikov. As it is, was, and ever shall be.We will "lose" in Afghanistan because at some point--sooner rather than later on the timescale of an actually old civilization--we're going to pack up and go home. Perhaps, as certain liberals are now fond of suggesting for Iraq, we will "declare victory and withdraw." Perhaps we'll sort of slink off as the public attention further erodes. Who knows? Who cares? They have their millennia-old folkways and we have our omnibus budgets and patriotic parades and "obesity epidemics" and neverending Presidential election cycles and "severe weather teams" and "people of faith" and petty rivalries with the social-democratic states of continental Europe.
If the goal was "smashing the Taliban and al Qaeda," then it was as foolish as fighting a pond by throwing rocks at it. If the goal was the nobler, more sentimental line of "Democracy, Now!" then it was even more foolish. Here's one reason. Why it is so difficult to appreciate our own social systems and systems of governance as cultural artifacts, specific to our history and economy, tied up in particular cultural premises, produced through a long accrual of peculiar conditions and philosophical developments, is entirely beyond me. I like individualism; I like markets; I like limited government. These, to me, are all quite excellent ideas. But I don't delude myself by presuming them the steady-state, universal condition of liberated Man.
Our problems are products of our solutions. America, you must change your life.
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nice gerundive simile about the pond, I. (I would have said metaphor but you didn't use "as".)
Reminded me of that story about the ducks and the frozen pond in "Fried Green Tomatoes".
Only in this case, when we fly away, the lake in Iraq is gonna wind up in Iran, not Georgia.
Couldn't resist that one - how often does one get a chance to pun on the two Georgia's simultaneously??
Speaking of that, go find yourself a copy of "Ali and Nino" and curl up for a good read about matters east of suez. The back-story about the true ID of the author is
as interesting as the novel itself.
regards
Tawanda
Dude,
Throw enough rocks at that pond and you will totally win your war.
Of course, fighting a war with a pond is pretty fucking stupid from the git-go, but I suspect you factored that in.
We must not allow a pond rock gap.
Actually, throw enough rocks at a pond - and you end up with a lot of wet rocks.
Eventually you can fill in the pond and the sun will evaporate the wet rocks.
Translated this means:
1) A LOT of NATO troops will get killed.
2) A LOT of civilians will get killed.
3) You only "win" by genocide.
I assume we're in agreement that Afghanistan should get to decide what kind of government it wishes to have. At the end of the day, it probably doesn't matter much to Afghanis whether or not the concept of self-determination has its roots in the Enlightenment--they just don't want outsiders telling them what to do.
My question then is how do we arrange relations between countries on a global level? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Afghanistan, China, or other non-Western countries want to have some say in how they interact with the global community, such as it is. In that sense, they would be participants in a democracy of nations. Going back to the status quo or whatever you'd call it when the US isn't busy invading other countries will not necessarily resolve their concerns about being pushed around by more developed countries. The current state of international relations doesn't actually have much to do with individualism, free markets, limited government, or any other Enlightenment concept. It has more to do with the most powerful country/countries arranging things for their own benefit at the expense of weaker countries. In this sense it is Afghanistan and China (or any country pushing for more representation in global affairs) who are more in line with liberal thought and the US who is stuck in the dark ages.
In short, I'm not so certain the essential claims of the Enlightenment aren't universal.
Yave - Washington's farewell:
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.
It isn't America's responsibility to resolve their concerns; it's only our responsiblity to stop pushing them around.
I've written about China ironically fulfilling this Washingtonian ideal more fully than the United States previously on this blog.
I have written before how the last sixty years of post-colonial history can be laid directly at the feet (or better yet, the ef-fete) of Franz Boas and Margaret Mead (the Tom Hayden and Jane Fonda of their time) - the ones who managed to convince a generation of the US elite that the West could do better by the heathen than King Leopold et al, on the spurious grounds that there are no superior cultures and no superior languages.
What I distrust in your position, IOZ, is that soupcon of Mead and Boas in your desire to leave them alone.
I am curious, therefore, as to what you think of "The Once and Future King"? Tolkien gets all the play for being the premier political fabulist par excellence, but what did you take away from the Wart's adventures with the geese and the carps et al?
I think you misread my relativisms, nony. I never said there are no superior languages and cultures, although I'm immediately suspicious when someone claims the superiority as his/their own. Remember the old Ghandi one-liner. "What do you think of Western Civilization?" "I think it would be a good idea."
On a related note, consider that my HP laptop is vastly superior by almosy any objective measure to an Apple IIE, but still, no matter how many times and at what angle I smash the one against the other, I come come up with nothing but junk.
Would you believe I've never read The Once and Future King. I take it I ought to . . .
Here's some Afghan dovery from November, 2001:
http://www.counterpunch.org/foley1.html
Well, the Arthurian cycle is certainly the breeding-ground of the Camelotion notion of might in the cause of right (as opposed to righteousness derived from mightiness), so it is hard to see how anyone can discuss US exceptionalism without having read White's modern take on the cycle.
Besides, his portrait of Lancelot denied the Grail for a dalliance is one of the world's greatest delineations of sorrow ...
"it is hard to see"
No doubt it is hard for you to see a great many things. While reading T.H. White might conceivably provide some insight into American exceptionalism, the notion that one can't discuss American exceptionalism without reading White is a bit like getting the rudder mixed up with the bowsprit, which could have been avoided were it not for the Bellman's insistence that, because the naval code said no one may speak to the helmsman, likewise the helmsman must speak to no one.
If the goal was "smashing the Taliban and al Qaeda," then it was as foolish as fighting a pond by throwing rocks at it. If the goal was the nobler, more sentimental line of "Democracy, Now!" then it was even more foolish.
The primary goal of the attack on Afghanistan was to transform Bush from a dyslexic bumbler into Churchill, setting the stage for the PNAC-driven invasion of Iraq.
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