Friday, June 22, 2007

Let Me Just Say This about That

Word.

I could argue on the misplaced primacy of the corporation over the nation, but Chayefsky was hyperbolizing and Dennis and I are coming at the same collusion from different ends. The eternal question of whether true lefties can get along with minarchic yahoos like myself seems to me to be predicated on a gross surfeit of optimism. We are not going to smash the state-as-is, ergo it is of no import how we're going to settle the question of public provision in the coming pasttime paradise. To engage in doctrinal disputes when your doctrines are irrelevant to the actual, physical, temporal conduct of human life on this planet for the duration of your life and everyone's life is to drown in the pool of your own reflection. We're all engaged in the task of forestalling madness by hurling pebbles at the leviathan and then ducking out of sight. Dennis and I are two kids making trouble in the same alley, and there's no reason to argue when there are grownups to torment.

There is something I'd add to Dennis' post, though, which is that these progressives ever-yearning to take something back from something, are not so out of line with the political culture they seek to yank internetwards as they themselves seem to believe. Their world-view, such as it is, more or less equates the current setup with the way things oughta be, admitting some tinkering may be desirable. The fact that they more strongly advocate withdrawal from Iraq--fuller and immediater if not full and immediate--really only indicates that they haven't the brains to understand what it will mean to yank our Yankee cock out of that unconsenting Arab orifice. They still view the Iraq war as a mistake and, more tellingly, a distraction, and seem to understand the consequences of withdrawal as the advent of universal healthcare.

Their leaders, meanwhile, from whom they credit themselves with dissenting, are smarter, or have access to the briefing papers, or at very least have staffs telling them what to think, and they understand that we have Fucked Up in a very fundamental way, and that the investment made to this point cannot be unmade. To quit this enterprise would have deeper ramifications than your basic pwoggler is able to consider, and no one but you, me, and seven dudes building orgone accumulators in West Virginia is looking to get into any actual, like, you know, political upheavals. The New Deal, electronics innovation, a robust but not uppity labor movement, free clinics, hybrid cars, and a slightly revanchist Republican minority against which hackles can occasionally be raised--this is what the Donklesphere wants. We can come home, militarism can be momentarily tempered by regrets at having "lost," and some prodigy can design a really slick monument. Et cetera.

To this tiresome tune I can only reply by quoting the immortal Walter Sobchak: "I got buddies who died face-down in the muck so that you can I could enjoy this family restaurant." Needless to say, I'm not going to prattle on about brave so-and-sos defending our such-and-suches. The world needs no further hymns to heroism, the second deadliest fallacy after god. But in Walter's words are this truth: that The Troops™ are indeed operating in service of empire, and that to alter the endeavor now requires a greater committment of mental and verbal resources than, say, extracting an apology from a baby-faced former senator who, by the way, is running for office, and hopes he has your vote.

18 comments:

JYD said...

funny, i recognized that ned beatty quote (from the "red state son" link), but not from the movie. it was also sampled in the song "america number one" by 'consolidated!' back in 1990.

Renegade Eye said...

There is a big disconnect now between activists, and political leaders. I don't think that contradiction can be easily resolved, because the antiwar movement has different goals, than the Dems. They want antiwar votes, not ideas.


Good blog.

Moloch-Agonistes said...

Out, out, brief candle!

Since revolution is hopeless, and advocates of incremental change stupid, deluded or craven, it is once again hard to discern the practical implications of IOZ's ideology other than as a device for making IOZ feel cool.

Didn't want to suffer through revolution school, but he can recite the easy parts with some degree of skill, thus making IOZ and Bakunin co-radicals. Is that about the size of it?

Anarchism as a quietistic philosophy is more than a little weird.

Jon said...

One could argue that it is hard to discern the practical implications of the blogosphere other than as a device for making bloggers in general feel cool.

The proper compromise between "fuck the government" types and "fuck the corporations" types is to point out that to a large extent, they're the same people. We have Fred Thompson, "outsider" presidential candidate and former lobbyist, Dick Cheney, Halliburton stockholder and rent-acquirer, and Rudy Giuliani of the million dollar speaking tours. Money buys power; power buys money. Not a lot we can do about it besides gnash our teeth.

curtis interruptus said...

Ohferfucksakes.

Granted, Digby is far too optimistic for my taste.

However, she is also a great writer who has plenty of incisive insights and makes numerous points that even JadedMcCool Perrin would agree with, if he'd put off writing the three hundred and eighty-third clone-post whining about libloggers not being more like JadedMcCool Perrin and dropping more fucking names of people he once knew, drank with, slept with, argued with, jacked off with, yak yak. Save it for your fucking autobiography, old man. Digby is hardly the strawwoman you make her out to be, but hey, you're a revolutionary, insane in tha brain, about to get all Sergei Nechaev wit' it up in this bitch, ain't got time for all those details.

I don't give a fuck that you once dangled from Alexander Cockburn's ballbag like a remora, I don't give a fuck that you once showed off your martial arts skills to Hitchens. And I find it hilariously weird that you refer to your son as "the boy" like Homer Simpson. For someone who's so eager to fuck up the system, you sure do talk more like a tired old fart sitting on the porch spinning yarns.

But why am I writing this here? Oh yeah, because Dennis doesn't want to hear reminders from the public of what an overflowing bag o'douche he is.

IOZ said...

Oh my. A pwoggler.

"An overflowing bag o'douche." The quality of our quarries is seriously on the decline.

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the_system said...

Since revolution is hopeless, and advocates of incremental change stupid, deluded or craven, it is once again hard to discern the practical implications of IOZ's ideology other than as a device for making IOZ feel cool.

Well, if it is and they are, then what's wrong with that?

IOZ said...

There are no practical implications of my, ahem, ideology.

All art is quite useless. I am not a constructive critic.

curtis interruptus said...

Oh my. A pwoggler.

No, not really. You'll notice I'm not preaching the virtues of Hillary or Edwards or Obama, but rather that Digby is a much better writer and thinker than One-Note Dennis gives her credit for. Perhaps he doesn't read carefully enough because he's too busy seeing what he wants to see. She's not a DC insider and hardly a member of the DLC, and if she's not strident enough for his tastes in opposing all the things he opposes in the precise way he wants to see them opposed, then what's the problem? What's stopping him from doing it, other than wasting time with another story about how Al Franken was mean to a friend of his? Maybe he's just upset that his sheer lack of writing ability keeps him from having as large a readership. I'd be bitter too if I reeked as bad as he does. I'll never fully trust Jon Schwarz's links again.

And please - criticism of my "bag o'douche" from a dude who seems to think "pwoggie/pwoggler" is cute and funny? Again, please.

IOZ said...

Brother, I'm sorry that Dennis Perrin upsets you so, but you may want to check the address.

Feel free to post whatever-all shit ya like in my comments, but as a free marketeer and a dedicatee of efficiency, I'm obliged to let you know that to the best of my knowledge Dennis Perrin has never seen or read Who Is IOZ.

curtis interruptus said...

Yes, I know. As I said above, I just used the opportunity of a post regarding something he wrote to get it off my chest, since Dennis doesn't allow comments and emails go unanswered. And if I had seen that Schwarz posted something about Dennis's post as well, I'd have commented there, knowing he'd see it, but I stopped by here first. Oh well. Rant over, thanks for obliging.

Moloch-Agonistes said...

Well, if it is and they are, then what's wrong with that?

I wasn't accepting the premise, just following it to a logical conclusion.

IOZ seems to have muddled up libertine and libertarian. (The anarcho-, of course, is just fluff). There's a place for this kind of thing, of course, but like the maunderings of Karen Finley, it depends for its handouts on more or less the same crowd as Hillary Clinton. "Pwoggles" (what a moronic coinage) fat on the proceeds of empire.

the_system said...

I wasn't accepting the premise, just following it to a logical conclusion.

Obviously, and yet...

Well, if it is and they are, then what's wrong with that?

After all, "My ideology has practical implications!" doesn't amount to much of a rejoinder if the other guy happens to be nevertheless correct.

But yes, "pwoggles" is indeed a moronic coinage. I knew I couldn't be the only one to think so.

the_system said...

Though in fairness, the employment of "Progressive," (a word whose essential vacuity rivals even that of the phrase "9/11 changed everything!") as the label for a political ideology personified by people like Kos is, while perhaps hilariously appropriate, most certainly not above IOZ's silly attempts at infantilization.

mr.fundamental said...

There are no practical implications of my, ahem, ideology.

All art is quite useless. I am not a constructive critic.


hehehehehe...blog.

IOZ said...

Yeah, baby.

ms_xeno said...

Hey, not to brag too much, but Dennis answered an email I sent him once. Very quickly, in fact. It probably helped that I didn't mention his dangly bits or call him a "tired old fart," of course.