Monday, July 23, 2007

Some Pig

Reflecting on the Michael Vick case, Crispin Sartwell writes that the priciple take-away is that "as a society, we have no idea what we think about animals." I think I might rephrase it: As a society, we have no idea what to think about animals." But the point is well taken, and since two of my main interests are moral reasoning in the use of violence and the culinary arts, I thought I might add a few thoughts.

Sartwell writes, "[O]ur moral counting of animals seems to vary with their proximity to ourselves." As one of his commenters notes, that moral reckoning isn't unique to our interactions with pets and livestock and wildlife. Every year for the last five years the United States and its agents have killed tens of thousands of people, the majority of them "innocents" or "bystanders" or otherwise categorized to indicate that their deaths were incidental to our military and policy aims. An Iraqi life is not counted as much as, say, a Spanish life, and a Spanish life isn't counted as much as an American one. South Korea is far removed geographically and culturally from America, but certain political, cultural, and economic affinities render South Koreans "closer" to Americans than Iraqis, and so the plight of two dozen caputred South Koreans appears to us as more significant than the commensurate plights of many, many Iraqis abducted and killed on a daily basis. It is probably fair to say that all moral accouinting proceeds from proximity or rather arbitrary affinity. I'm not sure, therefore, that it's fair to imply our interactions with animals--moral or otherwise--are unique in this regard.

I've previously written that I think of J.M. Coetzee as the most profound living moral philosopher, and the moral autonomy of men and animals is the great theme of his life's work. In The Lives of Animals and then in Elizabeth Costello, Coetzee imagines an aging Australian author named Elizabeth Costello who is less an authorial stand-in or interlocutor than a sort of Coetzeean doppleganger: neither quite the author nor quite not the author. Costello is increasingly obsessed with animals' "sensation of being," with man's right to destroy animal life, and ultimately with the primacy of reason (the possession of it) in determining moral stature. Would we kill babies? Would we kill the mentally ill? Have we before? What are our current judgments about such practices? Do they not extend naturally to other living, autonomous beings, even if those animal beings likewise lack certain capacities of adult, human consciousness?

Elizabeth Costello shocks her audience. The killing of animals for food in mass agriculture is worse than the Holocaust. It is not merely the extermination of life, but the perpetual breeding and maintenance of life for the purpose of perpetual, utilitary slaughter. Livestock are bred to be executed. Creatures like cattle were actually created by man for the purpose of nevending death. Coetzee is too subtle an author and thinker to let this go by without suggesting that Costello is engaged in some attention-grabbing hyperbole, and later in the narrative of Elizabeth Costello it becomes evident that Costello isn't quite right herself. That she's getting old. That she's not certain where her sympathies lie. That she perhaps feels secretly that she lacks the authority to make the arguments that she makes. That perhaps she's wrong. (Coetzee, meanwhile, is so rigorous a moralist that this same Elizabeth Costello shows up again in the recent Slow Man, to make it a meditation on an author's moral responsiblity to his own fictional creations. And you thought you had a lot on your mind . . .)

In Disgrace, Coetzee's slightly earlier novel set in post-Apartheid South Africa--a grim, despairing, brutal, and beautiful book--one character far out in a rural province makes a living putting dogs to death. There's simply nothing else to be done. And the main character, another kind of doppleganger named David Lurie, eventually joins her in this work, and finds in its awful necessity a kind of grace, such as it is, though never redemption. Coetzee doesn't seem to be a fan of the illusions of the redeemed and redeeming.

I eat meat, but I believe that eating meat should be a conscious and moral decision. I don't think that everyone should set up their own abbatoir in the basement and raise their own hogs out back, but I do believe that anyone who wishes to eat meat ethically should be willing, at least once in his life, to participate in slaughtering an animal. To shy away from the gore seems to me to be wrong. That animal is alive, and it has agency. Whether grass-fed or high-density feedlot raised, the steak on your plate once lived and experienced this world. It felt sensation--perhaps our words like pain, fear, anger, love, pleasure are meaningless in the context of another species, but there can be no denying that animals live in this world and know it through senses as we do. A person who can't wring the neck of a chicken has no right eating McNuggets.

But I admit there's a poverty to such reasoning, because it raises an attendent question: If the bar to morality is participation, aren't all manner of atrocities against other humans open to us as well. I have no clear answer to that question, but I will suggest that as regards abortion, infanticide, and euthenasia--not to mention end-of-life and palliative care for the terminally ill or chronically pained--there are gray territories that many of us shy away from addressing, in part because of past abuses. Yet anyone who says he's seen a severely mentally and physically handicapped person and not at least entertained the idea that it might have been better if that life had not been preserved is a liar.

Then there are the attendant questions raised by our increasingly sophisticated neurological, biological, and behavioral science. The great apes; certain marine mammals; even the octopus--these are animals that have a capacity for cognition. Some of them live in clear, cultured societies with plain behavioral parameters--what we would call ethics, maybe, or rules. Just this weekend, I read an article about rebels in the Congo executing gorillas. I found it terribly painful. Those animals are so nearly human that their killers actually executed them as if they were: lining them up and shooting them in the back of the head. There, I think, is a terrible exemplar of our moral confusion on this issue: that these creatures so remind us of ourselves that we subject them to our atrocities as if they really were human. How absurd! No matter how much Koko loves her kitten; no matter how much sign language you can teach a chimpanzee, neither is human. Still . . .

Here, Sartwell is right on:

What we need to figure out is: do animals count and how, not as dwarfish or four-legged or stupid people, but as real things whose existence is, though connected to ours, profoundly external and different?
Ronald Reagan infamously used to muse that if extraterrestrials invaded Earth, the United States and the Soviet Union would join forces through common humanity to resist. It occurs to me that a great impediment to our reckoning with the different lives of animals is the fear that a divide contemplated is a divide already partially bridged.

27 comments:

JYD said...

to follow an argument to its logical conclusions--even when they are troublesome the author's purpose--wreaks of integrity. sheesh. you call yourself an american?

on an altogether different note i can't help but think of the denis leary bit on animals auditioning for lives:

the cow: "...but i'm an animal!"
leary: "you're a baseball glove. get on the fucking truck."

Anonymous said...

Somewhere a right-to-lifer is drafting legislation requiring all prospective abortion patients to perform a d&e before receiving treatment.

YF

Aaron said...

For the sake of argument, I'm going to come out in favor of Michael Vick. Marshall Sahlins has a great essay where he points out that the American tabu on eating horses and dogs, and forbidding consumption of pigs and cows, is a) purely arbitrary, and b) establishes these particular species as stand-ins for people. He quotes a newspaper article on a protest over horsemeat being sold in a Honolulu market: "Horses are to be loved and ridden, says one protestor, "where cattle are raised for beef." Now, I don't know if this person is in the habit of riding, say, his grandmother, but you get the point.

Would the law ever be interested in Michael Vick if he were say fighting cockroaches? Or even if he had a cockfighting operation? Very doubtful. So I don't think this case raises any profound ethical questions so much as ethnographic ones.

As for your own ruminations (pun intended!) I guess I always return in cases like this to a little exercise I picked up from the Dalai Lama called "compassion breath." When faced with pain--whetehr one's own or someone elses, breathe in and draw that pain to yourself, then exhale a cloud of pure compassion for that pain. I do this every time I eat a hamburger, and find not only that it helps me to appreciate the cow's sacrifice but also that it assists in digestion.

Aaron said...

"permitting consumption of pigs and cows," needless to say.

Anonymous said...

We all credit the Scandinavians for their social partnership, but is this giving the animals a sense of living?

Keifus said...

Damn that Michael Vick for going about starting memes. The whole thing also got me thinking about Coatzee and his animal thing (Raphael Carter too). Thanks for beating me to posting about it.

I was kind of disappointed to learn that Coatzee recycled some of his themes for Elizabeth Costello. It doesn't make the book less good, but the experience of reading it feels a little cheesier. Did he repackage a Coatzee lecture point for each of the segments?

I suppose cows' cowness involves, to some degree, being consumed as prey (though probably not in filthy stockyards). Whatever humanity's nature might be fills endless volumes of speculation, but obviously some part of it involves being total dicks to everything else that breathes.

K

anon said...

Aaron - are you for fucking real? I mean, I don't doubt the Dalai Lama said something like that, but I find it jaw-droppingly asinine to think that anyone who hasn't tied their brain in metaphysical knots of bullshit could honestly think that torture, suffering and death can be canceled out by a deep breath and some happy thoughts. Man, I can't wait for a murder defendant to try that one.

And full disclosure: I have pit bulls. All rescued from similar situations to what that scumbag put his through, so I admit I don't have the detached disinterest that would allow me to brush aside your cutesy abstract equating of dogs with roaches. (And yes, I'm vegetarian, so save that predictable comeback, if you please.) Thus, I'm hoping you won't take it too personally if I tell you to go fuck yourself raw and bloody.

Brian said...

If cows were raised purely for the "sport" of violent death, that's one thing. So, F*&&^% off Aaron. Mr. Vick is a monster because he gets off on profitably supplying violence and pain and suffering for funsies. He would be a nasty piece of work if, like our president, he tortured squirrels when a youth. Or even a cockroach.

JYD said...

do i find dogfighting cruel and disgusting? yeah. same as most people find "meat is murder". they cook lobsters alive. they jet-puft fat into geese for fois gras. they hobble calves and lethargize them into veal. they bash monkeys in the noggin and eat their brains alive. and the chefs who cook that...are they all "monsters" too?

i like dogs, so it doesn't bother me that this guy's going to jail for what he did. but i'd listen to an argument that it's none of our business what some guy does to his dogs, as disgusting as it might be. my point is, the FEDERAL government has no right busting into someone's house for fighting dogs in his basement.

oh yeah...unless he's cutting the IRS out of their fucking share of the rake, which is exactly what this case is really about anyway.

Aaron said...

Humm. Are Spaniards and Mexicans "monsters"? How about the entire population of the pagan Roman empire? Meanwhile, there's a large plurality of the world that still engages in large-animal sacrifice. (it's bracing, but genuinely cathartic; and fresh heart and liver roasted over a charcoal brazier are quite good).

Brian said...

That aspect of their cultures certainly is-or are you a fan of the glories of the Roman arena, too? Some cultures, quite advanced ones, had human sacrifice, too.

Heck, every culture has nasty aspects to it. for example, our belief that we can bomb entire populations to liberate them. Of course, you would be ok with that, because Amewrican Exceptionalism is a big part of who and what we are.

And, jyd, you miss my main point: sure, meat eating involves natyness. But, nastyness is not the main point, which is bloodthirsty and glroifying vioolence. Getting off on violence is not something worthy of any culture.

Brian said...

Just like how much I despise breathing concentrated cigarette smoke back home in Indiana. THIS kind of argument for libertarianism leaves me pretty cold.

i.s.y.s said...

For the sake of argument, comme il dit, I'm going to bump up what anon said to aaron and cc: jyd.

"Thus, I'm hoping you won't take it too personally if I tell you to go fuck yourself raw and bloody."

Will Divide said...

Pit bulls, as their name implies, were bred by humans to kill other animals, rats mainly, in pits for wagering specataors.

Dogs, mainly, are territorial animals who naturally rove in packs and will fight for dominence in that pack and for territory.

It seems to me that one may appreciate, say, a terrior's ferocity in pursuit of a rodent, or enjoy the occasion of two dogs fighting without having interfered with their doggy lives. Low and stupid, yes, morally wrong no.

That said, dogs are quite social animals among themselves and mainly do not fight. Their capacity to kill other animals is limited by the speed, wariness and defensive ability of said animals.

I would submit that immorality, an absolutely human state, stems automatically from coersion. One human using a power, physical or other, to force means over an unknowing or helpless being to manipulate a desired end is in every case immoral.

What Vick was apparently doing was transparently immoral, certainly not as immoral as slavery (and here it is interesting that no one has commented on the specific details of antebellum inhumanity in this case, the beautiful big house with the squalid arrangements out back, master, overseers, vicious punishment) or what is transpiring every day in Iraq and our hidden gulags.

I would further submit, briefly, that the consuption of animals is not immoral per se, though humanity dictates a far greater respect be shown food animals, before and after slaughter, than is currently the case. I, for one, do not eat any meat without first casting a thought of thanks back to the poor sentient beast I am partly consuming. Not much, I know, but a step up from numb ignorance.

JYD said...

brian:
getting off on violence is not something you do? i refer you to the post immediately above this one. no football? hockey then? no? die hard pt. 4 for you? ok, i apologize.

my points are a)the selective outrage is HI-fucking-larious to me. we conjure exciting and elegant sounding ways for me to fuck myself, and then go to our local emporium and blithely purchase some shit from China or Thailand that was made, essentially, from slave labor. i cite will divide's definition of immorality to damn us all. more disgusting than dogfighting or less? you decide.

my other point was, i'm not against making these things illegal...only that it should be a local ordinance.

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Brian said...

jyd-I would not disagree at all with your first points. There is something about violence against animals that brings out the emotional and sentimental side of many people. As the owner, or owned, of three dogs, I am certainly one of those people. Thus, even any unintended implication that the dogs are his "property" and he has the moral right to do what he wants with them set me off, frankly.

Third world wage slavery is a whole 'nother topic, without even getting into the reality that almost everything available in our modern WalMart nation is made in such conditions. The Mutualists have good discussion of these issues that I find very interesting. I would argue that the industrial system in itself is degrading to human beings and requires someone, somewhere to be chained to the machines, but still-it produces a lot of goodies for the consuming classes, no? :( Do the people working the factories wish they could go back to the original traditional peasant cultures (which have often been destroyed by modern semicolonial policies anyway)?

As for violence-few people are pure. It's the whole helpless animals thing-taking advantage of not totally sentient "slaves." I don't like "real" blood sports at all, but I admittedly enjoy some violent cinema and the cartoon violence of....wait for it....pro-wrestling. This is not a nice part of me, but....

As for federal law-there is a lot of federal involvement through the Commerce Clause in what could be local issues. I am not going to lose too much sleep at all over this particular example.

JYD said...

brian,
agreed. i also have cold feet toeing the line for libertarianism when it comes to dog-fighting. i never felt so cruel as the day i euthanized my own dog, and i don't consider dogs merely chattel. that said, i'm just not sure where the line is crossed between innocent and animal. dog? coq? weasel? scorpion? i agree, there is a line somewhere, but shouldn't we let individual communities decide what they will tolerate?

again, my main gripe is that very few americans (myself included) have the moral authority to condemn the pain and suffering of the innocent, when we all benefit from it daily. for what's it's worth, most of that last comment was directed more at 'anon' than you. so, like, apologies & shit.

and i'm sure there is some further (albeit less sensational) discussion to be had regarding the commerce clause.

and, never failing to quote an excellent movie..."now we see the violence inherent in the system!"

Aaron said...

Brian--

That's why I say it's an ethnographic question, not a truly ethical one. Attitudes toward non-human pain and suffering (and which particular kinds of non-humans) vary as widely across human communities as taxonomies of color.

Vick is a member of our community of course, so he took a significant risk (and now pays the price, which I don't have a particular problem with). But if you ask me whether he has transgressed some fundamental law, I have to say no.

As I mentioned, I've been with the family of a friend in rural Turkey during Eid al-Adha (or Kurban Bayrami), at a ritual in which a small bull is killed with a knife, a process that takes at least five minutes, its flesh later divided up and distributed to poorer villagers. I found the sacrifice disturbing at first, and then rather enlightening. While it is not the way I myself would choose to make contact with the ineffable, I can certainly see the point of it. It's a matter of some controversy in Turkey, but mostly because they think it makes them look "backward" (the appeals to animal welfare are so far as I could see mostly window dressing).

Anyway, everyone has to draw a line somewhere about the things they are committed to universalizing, the things they want to impose ethically on other people regardless of venue or historical period. I choose to take the human species as a first parameter, and issues of basic health and wellbeing as a second parameter, for my universalism. If that makes you want me to fuck myself raw and bloody, so be it, but I in turn find myself distinctly unimpressed with both the ethical sensitivity and the aesthetic judgment of the Animal Defenders in this conversation.

Seems to me you're not only being sentimentalists, but if I may say so rather fucktardic. Remembering your cousins at U.C. Santa Cruz, who dressed up during my senior year in chipmunk costumes at a demonstration against the university's decision to cull a massive overpopulation of groundsquirrels that was undermining several of the residential buildings, I guess I'm not too surprised. Now, as then, your strategy for universalizing an ethical vision that includes non-human species seems kind of inefficient. "Raw and bloody," indeed.

Brian said...

To quote my sister: "The squirrel comparison is apples to oranges. Controlling a wild, often rabid animal population, vs. enjoying watching dogs rip the shit out of each other are two very completely different things.
Sorry, someone who enjoys seeing dogs fighting have serious psychological problems, and need therapy."

She captures it-it's not even a case of the impact on the dogs themselves, it's the negative impacts on human culture. Enjoying suffering of others purely for entertainment is BAD for a society. It's bad for the individual.

Even if their "culture" says it is fun and games. Heck, there are traditional cultures out there that prescribe gang rape by village elders when a girl's brother is "seen" with a girl from the wrong "caste." After all, some "traditional" "Cultures" don't consider women fully human, and who are we as evil Westerners to draw the line?

Aaron said...

Kind of like talking to a post (or a chipmunk) so this will be my last. There is *nothing* less violent about your average slaughterhouse than your average dogfight, any more than there is anything less violent about lethal injection or the guillotine than drawing and quartering or impalement. You simply happen to like dogs. Like many commitments, yours is arbitrary. Mine too: as I said, "This is where I choose to draw the line."

I would never abuse you for drawing that line where you do, though I think you run into definitional problems somewhere in the continuum between dogs and chickens and cockroaches or scorpions. While I admit to being a bit of a provocateur (openly, as I said at the outset) I think the level of vitriol here is kind of foolish/redundant.

As for the chipmunks, to state the obvious I was *not* comparing the Vick case to that one, I was using it to illustrate what seems to me the utterly tone-deaf rhetoric of "animal rights" folks--who invariably (as here) seem more interested in reinforcing their sense of their own righteousness than in convincing others that an ethical principle they think is important really should be followed more widely (let alone interrogating their beliefs for internal consistency).

IOZ said...

A fascinating discussion that largely ignores the post. Hehe. Blog!

Brian said...

Ah, but your post was far too subtle for us raving lunatics. Better to let the rants fly, using the gracious hosting of your blog.

Aaron-I feel you are missing some of my main point, also, so...right back at you.

You were certainly being a "provocateur." That's fine. There is indeed violence involved in the slaughterhouse. Maybe it's the "liberal" in me that still thinks intent is important-and enjoying pain and violence is not the primary purpose of the slaughterhouse. It is for the dog fighting ring. That is what bothers me about it. Even in the boxing ring, I guess one could argue that those volunteering to spill blood for our pleasure also exhibit human attriubutes of courage and fortitude. I'm not sure I would anthropomorphize dogs in a fighting ring in a way that could justify the fight. It is still wrong, no matter what value historical cultures place on the enjoyment of pain and suffering in and of itself.

As for your last point: I am no fan of PETA or the self-proclaimed "animal rights movement." I am simply a bored liberal who was goded into rhetoric by I felt was a pretty intemperate and immoral position. I cannot disagree with your last point at all.

Aaron said...

IOZ--
Igonores the post, what you talkin about? The whole premise of our discussion (on my end anyway) was that in ethical questions, like aesthetic ones, you often just have to settle down and draw the line somewhere. Agonizing over "the divide contemplated" and the "divide partially bridged" seems to assume that taxonomies are not by definition subjects of constant argument. Turks knife large animals, Spaniards spear them, Imperial Romans mangled them in the coliseum, and PETA thinks that's all awful. So far as I know, the aggregate population of Turks, Spaniards and Imperial Romans is quite a bit larger than the PETA member list, so maybe they've done a better job of consensus-building.

Michael Vick put on wild beast shows with (specially raised) pooches, showing his taxonomy to be out of step with most of the country's. It's as if someone had decided to call "blue," "green," like Marco Polo (I think) said the Arabs did. Naturally there will be objections when someone violates a community norm--as there were to my version of the same position--but I think "humanity" as an ethical boundary condition has some compelling arguments in its favor, both practical and theoretical.

Brian--
I didn't miss your point about intent, I thought I addressed that with the capital punishment analogy. Eating veal is pleasurable. Fighting dogs is pleasurable. Privileging one over the other seems to me no more coherent than privileging electrocution over decapitation. Both are official violence, and in both instances the "intent" can be disputed on more or less the same grounds.

What weight should be given to nonhuman pain (or more generally interference with their organic existence)? Should it outweigh human benefit at some point, including pleasure? I'll let Peter Singer and the Jains worry about that one if they want to. But since 'nonhuman' is a category that ranges from amoebas to macaques, presumably someone who cares about it is going to have to create a sliding scale; and in theory the boundary condition ought to be more substantive than "is fuzzy," or "licks my hand."

To me, the only criterion that might possibly make sense is consciousness, and while neurologists have demystified that in the last decade or so, associating e.g. nociception with actual phenomenology across species is still a stubbornly elusive project. Without some way of "finding our feet" with dogs, of understanding their consciousness of anything, pain included, I don't think they can genuinely fit within the borders of our social system, which is prerequisite for applying ethical principles to them. You have to draw the line somewhere, and I say we have our hands full treating humans well, so tough luck for the pit bulls. Others can feel differently, but as above I put Michael Vick in the same category as my veal-loving grandmother. I fail to see how that's an "intemperate" position, and as for "immoral," well, QED.

I will make a nod to your point of view though in observing that the Mediterranean traditions of animal sacrifice and Roman (--> modern Spanish) wild beast shows both developed in the context of societies very devoted to slavery.

Brian said...

All interesting arguments. I still make a moral distinction-perhapsless obvious than I might think, between enjoying meat that incidentally involved pain, and pain for the sheer enjoyment of another's suffering-even if the sufferer is nonhuman. It cheapens the audience, it makes them lower, less moral creatures. perhaps meat-eating does a;lso-that is an argable point.

I still see a difference in the types of pleasure and how inherent the violence is to the enjoyment of pleasure. Maybe the vegetarians are right, I increasingly think so But...to claim that enjoying a good steak has the same moral value as enjoying watching two pit bulls savage each just for the sake of enjoying the pain and suffering and violence....I respectfully remain unconvinced.

hipparchia said...

hmmm... i can't see that "i'm human and you're not nor can i be bothered to find out if your consciousness is equal to mine" is any more substantive than "is/is not fuzzy."

hipparchia said...

But I admit there's a poverty to such reasoning, because it raises an attendent question: If the bar to morality is participation, aren't all manner of atrocities against other humans open to us as well. I have no clear answer to that question, but I will suggest that as regards abortion, infanticide, and euthenasia--not to mention end-of-life and palliative care for the terminally ill or chronically pained--there are gray territories that many of us shy away from addressing, in part because of past abuses. Yet anyone who says he's seen a severely mentally and physically handicapped person and not at least entertained the idea that it might have been better if that life had not been preserved is a liar.

i used to think that, about it being better if some lives had not been preserved, but no longer.

two very different deaths last year, of people i cared about: one who seemingly had everything to live for - family, friends, career - but was in such psychic pain that he took his own life; the other who didn't really have a lot - not a lot of friends, disowned by his family, hated his job - but who wanted just one more year, just one more day, just one more hour here with those of us he loved, in spite of what it was costing him in pain and drug-befuddlement.

deciding whether a life is better lived or given up ought to be left up to the one who will be living it or not living it.