Yesterday, friend and fellow blogster La_Rana wrote the following:
It is an abomination that so many in this country so callously disregard the lives of foreigners. It's cruel, inhumane, xenophobic, myopic, selfish and brutal. But good god, to actually walk among the Iraqis, other human beings, and kill them so callously is something I really cannot understand. It puts my neck hair on end. Whether it's their natural disposition or we made them that way, it doesn't quite matter now. These people are monsters.You'll note that La_Rana draws a fine but necessary moral distinction. On the one hand, he says, it's pretty awful that as an abstract matter we're willing to countenance--at least, to ignore--the deaths of foreigners. On the other hand, to actually kill them without cause or reason, to pull the trigger on innocents simply because they are there and you are armed, is to become a monster. These aren't complex moral sentiments, lord knows, but they're sure as shit true.
La_Rana's first commenter, YF, then swashbuckles in and begins dueling with the potted plants while the crowd looks on in wonder:
Did it ever occur to you that disregard for the lives of The Other might be the normal disposition of humans? That maybe an appreciation of foreigners' serious right to life is a triumph* of modern moral development, and not a necessary component of human nature?Other than mistaking La_Rana's kind of caveat for a thesis, and other than proposing a "triumph of modern moral development" in an era when the wholesale slaughter of foreigners has reached levels undreamed-of by the poor, dirty Romans who burned Carthage to the ground, and other than flying from "normal disposition" to "necessary component" in a high dander of folkway fantasy, it is a serious counterargument that deserves to be addressed.
It is undoubtedly true that casual disregard for the lives of foreigners is in a sense a steady feature of recorded human history, but only in a sense. It is true in the sense that when agents of the state are authorized by the state to kill people, especially foreigners, then citizens are authorized not to give a damn, or hell, to cheer the killing on. This is an important distinction, and I'll return to it. But first, and once again: On the other hand . . .
On the other hand, the majority of interactions between people of one country and people of another involve neither killing nor maiming nor raping nor pillaging nor the folks at home approving thereof. The majority of international interactions, both state-sanctioned and extralegal, involve mundane matters of commerce and tourism. These interactions may be fraught, or they may go smoothly, but by and large if an American pulls a gun on a Chinese and blows his head off because supply-chain negotiations aren't going his way, then everyone on every side will react with condemnation. I do not go on killing sprees when I visit France and expect pardon at home. Of course, there are gradations of outrage and horror that, regrettably, have largely to do with racism, and it's certainly true that a business executive who fucks and kills a 12-year-old in Thailand may be held in less horror than a business executive who fucks and kills an 18-year-old in, say, England. Nevertheless, in general and in principle, the point holds: that tolerance for brutality toward foreigners is not universal, but contextual.
As Sartwell notes, one of the central ironies--or, let's be charitable, paradoxes--of theories of the state as either an arbiter of justice or a guarantor of rights is that the state inevitably becomes the largest violator of its espoused principles of justice and subverter of rights. The state that claims it exists to protect the right to life arrogates itself of the right to take life, and so on. There are common good arguments here--that in order to protect the greatest number of lives, for instance, it's necessary to take a few; that agents of the state, conceived as essentially external to humanity and therefore immunized against the required protection of this or that right, must act in such capacity for the greater good. I find these arguments almost transparently silly, but I'm not going to address that here. The germane point is this: that violating human rights even up to the point of death, and that approving of or acceding to such violations are conditions authorized by states.
It may well be that if a state of war or conflict didn't exist between Iraq (or elements in Iraq) and the United States, then people would react with relative indifference to news of a crew of Americans massacring a lot of innocent Iraqis, but I think it's wrong to believe that there would be no outrage. In the absence of state sanction, such actions would rightly be seen as murder and condemned. In fact, we can see the operations of this very dynamic in the developing case of the Blackwater mercenaries. As the impression that their actions were sanctioned in war diminishes and the idea that they were acting outside of the violence permitted by our state grows, the domestic American reaction has increasingly been one of shock, horror, dismay, and disapproval--as if they had, indeed, committed murder. We might pause to note the sad supporting evidence that every day American troops, American pilots, American actions do kill dozens of innocents and otherwise violate their basic rights, and these actions are met with indifference or approval because they are state-sanctioned. And of course, it's worth noting that the very conditions which allowed the Blackwater guards to conduct themselves as they did--right or wrong--were 100% dependent on American state actions.
So to the relevant question of whether or not it is "human nature" to care little for the lives of "the other," I repeat that the question itself is a kind of category error. The truth is that callous indifference to foreign life is a facet of history under constituted authority when that authority expressly absolves--in fact, encourages--its people to disregard the lives of foreigners. The other is a construct of structures of authority, and our willingness to meet the other with brutality is a construct of those same structures. It isn't the state of nature that makes us monsters. The state is a monster.
25 comments:
Good stuff.
The state is a monster.
This point, while true, needs scoping. The state is a poodle. Not all dogs are poodles. The dog is the evaporation of responsibility which is implicit in group decisions and group actions. Easier to follow when we use group’s synonym: gang.
High praise and I don't even think I agree! Ain't the world a funny place.
Anyway, in the spirit of biting the blog-hand that feeds me, your reliance on the state to explain human nature - even in contrast - seems a tit ironic for someone espousing anarchy.
On second thought, I am not even sure what that means, but why not swing for the fences when you're up to bat?
Describing behavior as paradoxical is charitable, as opposed to calling it ironic? Kierkegaard would disagree, of course. Irony is; all else is commentary.
That said and pessimistic enough about human behavior to be more Jeffersonian than Sartwellian, I tend to agree. While the thought of someone getting violent over supply chain economies is actually pretty amusing, the fact is that most people just want to be left alone. Even in China. Or Iraq.
As a career soldier, I have commented for 30 years now that staying in the Army as a NCO allowed me to extend my adolescence. While not true in my case or in most, that is the image. You get to play soldier -- blow things up, shoot guns, jump out of airplanes, and so on and so on. However, the military has these things called "rules." It's based on this concept of "accountability." I suppose the Romanian Army in 1915 wasn't big on accountability, but successful ones and good ones are.
However, Blackwater is not accountable. Hence, extra-legal. The recruiting ploy for these mercenary organizations is that you get to keep playing with guns and explosives, but that there are no fucking rules. One of my soldiers gets drunk and shoots a local national and he's going to jail. Probably my jail as opposed to Achmed's jail, but he's going to jail. Somebody from Blackwater does the same thing, and he gets a first class ticket home and severance pay. If not a bonus and a promotion.
So, these organizations attract those who dig the adolescent rush of soldiering but can't handle the restraints. I personally see no real difference between them and the SA, except the Weimar Republic didn't pay the SA's expenses until after Hitler took power and they were almost exclusively used locally. The WaffenSS came later, and from an operational perspective, Blackwater looks a lot like Hitler's Bodyguard on a spree.
Um, OK. "Foreigners." So the Church, for example, is actually a state. And the family is a state. And the [insert locus of authority here] is a state.
Somewhat ironically, I think the state in your formulation is a category error.
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Ah, I have somehow deleted my snippy and intemperate reply to Aaron. Is there a way to undelete in blogger?
Darn, I was looking forward to it! You get too much love.
Love,
Aaron
Hehe. Oh well. Alas, like Hemmingway, I don't think I can recreate what was lost. I'll let everyone else argue it out.
I think I see where Crusader Axe is going. The problem I have with this formulation is the concept, and maybe I am misunderstanding you, that "the State" exists as some kind of exterior force, completely separate from humanity? Maybe that is true in many cases.
The other problem I have is coercion exists in non-state societies, too (like Aaron says). Don't clan leaders and tribal poobahs and shamans exercise a great deal of authority, even coercive authority? The Aborigine 13 year old has no real choice, he's getting his peter sliced at puberty. Cultural traditions and superstitions can be pretty coercive also, especially in narrowly constructed societies where the traditional way is really the only conceivable way. Heck, the Pakistani village that had the girl gang-raped when her brother was seen with an impoper girl-is that really a "State" system? I don't think so.
I don't know the answer to these questions, they are just floating, unformed ideas.
The dog is the evaporation of responsibility which is implicit in group decisions and group actions.
And your suggested alternative to any type of group action is ...
To address the post, state behavior varies depending on the state and that state's relation to other states at a particular point in time. I take contemporary Germany and Japan as models for appropriate state action (at least they are better than most); circa 1944, they were very bad actors indeed. Norms matter and context and history matters. There isn't some true form of "the state" of which generalizations of the sort Ioz is making here can be made. Germans and Japanese are not in Iraq right now shooting shit up because as a body politic, they have formally constrained themselves from doing so. That may change in the future, god forbid, but for now they are good neighbors.
The goal should be to facilitate the spread of formal constraints that some enlightened states (after perpetrating unspeakable horrors) have committed themselves to, not to deconstruct existing states. When was the last time France threatened to invade Germany, or vice versa?
I'm just asking for a bit more nuance in the construct. America's neuroses are not those of everyone. Some people are genuinely horrified by the thought of killing foreigners. Most of them just happen not to live here.
The goal should be to facilitate the spread of formal constraints that some enlightened states (after perpetrating unspeakable horrors) have committed themselves to, not to deconstruct existing states. When was the last time France threatened to invade Germany, or vice versa?
I know some addicts that now only smoke cigarettes. right. are we talking "strategic" bombing and secretive supplying weaponry elsewhere, or something else?
"constrained" - maybe, but inactive, no.
if I were looking for something rational, I wouldn't be looking at a government.
why must you prove Msr's other posts right in one fell swoop?
arthroscopic or open heart, either way...
and you should go talk to Jeff Goldstein about that whole "nuance" thing. good luck, and report back.
man, between Rousseau, Hegel, Locke and Hobbes, I'm definitely taking Locke...but fuck if Hobbes ain't now making more sense than Hegel and Rousseau. shiiiit.
[I]n order then that the social pact shall not be an empty formula, it is tacitly implied in that commitment - which alone can give force to all others - that whoever refuses to obey the general will shall be constrained to do so by the whole body, which means nothing less than that he shall be forced to be free; for this is the condition which, by giving each citizen to the nation, secures him against all personal dependence, it is the condition which shapes both the design and the working of the political machine, and which alone bestows justice on civil contracts - without it, such contracts would be absurd, tyrannical and liable to the grossest abuses.
it's funny how something like that serves as an actual justification.
Kierkegaard, from my pitiful understanding, would have been all for the state. 'sweep me up' - holy shit yeah.
of course, most of what I know about philosophy came from Sartwell and Waking Life, and some cursory reading of Hume, so there's that.
People are tribal -- the proper sociological term is probably 'xenophobic', but in this case that seems an incorrect connotation, as we're talking specifically about an apathy towards atrocities committed by members of our tribe against outsiders, so, 'tribal' probably works better.
That's essentially what it comes down to -- we do not live in our heads, but in our hearts, and in our hearts, we can only bring ourselves to care about things that occur to members of our tribe. This is why we're more outraged about American disaster victims than Mexican, and, largely, why black Americans are more outraged at what Katrina did to NOLA than white Americans. Tribes within tribes within tribes, unfortunately.
Your insistence that the state controls our outrage by either sanctioning or withdrawing sanction from atrocity done to non-tribe members rings false to me, as does your assertion that more and more people are becoming outraged and infuriated at Blackwater as state authority to commit violence against non-tribe members erodes. It is not that at all.
Most people still don't much care that Blackwater mercs have been shooting some towelheads, and if Blackwater really wanted to defuse the situation, they would simply have to run a few ads identifying the involved mercenaries as American tribe members -- Here, for example, is a blond boy from Illinois, a former Marine who did two combat tours and then joined up with Blackwater to feed his wife and two children back home. There we have a young black man from Alabama, a one time Airborne Ranger, who goes to church every Sunday and has a dependent grandmother. And over here, a winsomely smiling Hispanic fellow name Jorge who comes from West Texas, and whose father and grandfather before him both served in the U.S. Army, and who himself has wanted to be in the Army since he was three years old.
Show folks such as this waving to the camera, American flag patches on their shoulders, while Sam Elliott or Phillip Bochco pontificates sadly as to the inhuman stress of war and who are WE to judge such as they, poor lost lambs, surrounded by vicious enemies in a land not their own, and Blackwater will be forgiven all.
The only reason outrage is growing against Blackwater now is not that the government has, vaguely, cluelessly, and incoherently, begun to withdraw some tattered blanket of authority from Blackwater's shoulders. It is, again, tribalism; being Little People is to be part of a tribe, and all we Little People know in our hearts that Big Corporations are not of us.
We have been allowed by our media to regard these murderous mercenaries as being members of the Evil Big Corporation tribe (although, to be fair, our media does its best to convince us that we are all part of the Big Corporation tribe, and so far we seem to have for the most part successfully resisted that particular indoctrination) and so, we don't much like them. Un all honesty, as long as all they do is kill towelheads, we really won't much mind, either.
And when people we DO regard as tribe members -- Our-Boys, Our-Boys (give me a red) -- slaughter dune coons with mad abandon, well, if we do not stand up and cheer, it's only because there's something more interesting on VH1 right now, and we'll stand up and cheer later, after today's BEAUTY AND THE GEEK marathon concludes.
The State certainly encourages tribalism, and manipulates it to its own advantage, and I will even countenance arguments that the State grows out of tribalism like a particularly virulent, mutant weed grows out of the poisoned soil of a toxic waste dump. But our concern for fellow creatures we regard as tribe members, and our apathy towards, or fear/hatred of, non tribe members, has nothing to do with State authority and/or sanction. It's just who we are.
hahaha. I've never read so little of something before deciding that I didn't need to read the rest. I literally made it to "proper sociological term" and realized that in no way could it benefit me to read on.
Shorter La Rana:
I have a microscopic attention span, and somehow, I think that's insulting to YOU! Ha ha!
Please don't stop commenting bunnyman.
la rana, he was basically agreeing with you (and me). The post wasn't all that long or pedantic. I thought it made sense. Not that Ioz original post didn't make some sense as well.
People are tribal enough to be extravagantly exogamous, charitable to people they'll never meet and to risk personal harm to help strangers. They're expansive enough in their tribalism to create new tribes all the time, which form the basis for extending trust to people they may only encounter once, or not at all. Some of the associations trump clan and class lines. The destruction of trust narrows their willingness to engage in those things, but they spring back pretty vigorously once the sense of crisis or wong dissipates.
Intra-tribal conflict is the bloodiest of all. Apostates, heretics and traitors, real or perceived, have always gotten the most cruelest treatment. It doesn't take much for a tribe to descend into the social atomization of amoral familism. A shattered or sufficiently corrupt state will do it.
IOZ's critique, as I read it, focuses on the efforts of the state to supplant and misdirect the desire to expand affinity and compassion. Of course, he's not of my tribe so he might also be trying to lure me into a horrible, painful lingering death.
It is an abomination that so many in this country so callously disregard the lives of foreigners . . . These people are monsters. la Rana
Hmm. A country of monsters?
I won't necessarily disagree with you Ellen, but I think you misread me.
Brian, are you kidding? In the first paragraph alone he commits errors of grammar, logic and word use. And that's just one sentence about selecting a word! In the next sentence he informs us that people do not live in their heads (phew!), but in their hearts, and a side effect of said intracardioexistence is the inability to care about extra-tribal injuries. Who cares whether it goes up or downhill from there?
Brian, are you kidding? In the first paragraph alone he commits errors of grammar, logic and word use. And that's just one sentence about selecting a word! In the next sentence he informs us that people do not live in their heads (phew!), but in their hearts, and a side effect of said intracardioexistence is the inability to care about extra-tribal injuries.
Snarky, but, whatever, dude. I don't write as beautifully as IOZ, so, by all means, show me your ass. It's a fine, fine ass, I have no doubt.
Who cares whether it goes up or downhill from there?
Ahhhh... it's a lazy, intellectually dishonest ass as well, I see.
If you want to argue against the points I'm making, that's fine. If you simply want to insult me without even bothering to read what you're insulting me over, well, knock yourself out. (If you find you're not competent to do so, please, let me help.)
la rana: it's an internet post, not a formal essay. Referring to head versus heart is a rational reference to the instinctive, the emotional, the unthinking side of human history.
Heck, I can't type, so half my posts are probably riddled with errors.
I like scruggs' formulation, though. Bravo. .
Huh? . . . No . . . what the fuck are you . . . I'm not . . . We're talking about unchecked aggression here, dude.
If it doesn't make any sense, it doesn't make any sense.
Intracardioexistence! No, fawwwwk yoooooze!
it occurs to me, after stumbling across one of your other posts [comments? i forget] recently, that if you're going to dial back the population to about 1000 million humans or so, you're going to have to countenance the deaths of an awful lot of foreigners. billions of them.
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