Who Is IOZ?: OBAMAIPAC

Tuesday, March 18, 2008

OBAMAIPAC

Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

-The Saint

Change you can believe in. Double-yoy.

23 comments:

ran said...: AIPAC's little bitch indeed.; 1:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Yeah, I was going along, giving the guy some credit, and that smacked headlong into that statement.

I wasn't shocked, but still, he didn't absolutely have to pander that way.

Well, yeah, of course he did.

Donald Johnson; 1:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Also: "He simply says to everyone in the room, 'I am here because of Ashley.'"

Clearly, Ashley should be our next president.; 2:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Would proponents of "perverse and hateful idelologies of radical Islam" include groups like Hezbollah, that we helped create, oh great Saint Obama?

Just curious.

Mike; 2:19 PM
Anonymous said...: The really sad thing is that he has enough money and clout to be the real thing of which he is only an approximation, and speak for the real silent majority that doesn't understand why we have to spend so much money we don't have killing people.; 2:20 PM
ran said...: Mike, are you implying that our actions and those of our little apartheid "stalwart ally" Israel have consequences?

why do you hate America and Israel sir?; 3:07 PM
Ash said...: He's just pandering to whitey.; 3:08 PM
Anonymous said...: It's so great to find a bunch of guys who agree with me!

Where's his house so we can all go and burn a cross on his front lawn?

That'll teach him to run for pres'nt.

Don't you just hate it when they get uppity? Yeah. Me too.; 3:14 PM
Ash said...: hehehe, I'm just reading his speech now. He's pretty good. Still ya gotta pander to whitey to get elected.

"But for all those who scratched and clawed their way to get a piece of the American Dream, there were many who didn't make it - those who were ultimately defeated, in one way or another, by discrimination. That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations - those young men and increasingly young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future. Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own failings.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch."; 3:24 PM
TGGP said...: the real silent majority that doesn't understand why we have to spend so much money we don't have killing people
The majority supported the Iraq war. Fuck The People.; 3:28 PM
The Promiscuous Reader said...: So, ash, if you see a pandering apologist for racism and US violence running for President, shouldn't you intervene?; 4:18 PM
Anonymous said...: The majority supported the Iraq war. Fuck The People.

I don't think the not-novel insight that The People can be (as always and everywhere)goaded into supporting an evil war conflicts with the equally not-novel insight that The People are, in the abstract, opposed to killing people at great cost for dumb reasons. (cf retropoll.org); 4:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Yeah, I was going along, giving the guy some credit, and that smacked headlong into that statement.

You and me both. Wasn't a bad speech otherwise. But shit, next thing you know Bernancke will be justifying the latest bailout by mentioning how it's the fulfillment of our sacred Judeo-Christian heritage.

The majority supported the Iraq war. Fuck The People.

Well, they didn't oppose it, that's for sure, and that's nothing to be proud of. But I always felt that "support" for the war was a mile wide and a millimeter deep -- more like a big collective shrug than anything else. Granted, most of the subsequent "disapproval" of the war is because it hasn't turned out to be as cheap and easy and entertaining as our Beltway Caesars promised.
-- sglover; 4:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Yeah, sglover, I just reread the speech and it is pretty good, but of course, as I just told my pals at a liberal blog, no one gets to be President without showing an aptitude for kicking people when they are down. Not that many voters are going to change their minds and vote McCain if you bash the Palestinians. A few might vote Nader. A fair number of Palestinian-sympathizing lefties are somehow convinced Obama is still secretly fair-minded. He seems determined to convince everyone otherwise.; 5:02 PM
Professor Coldheart said...: I like how Obama can give an entire speech on how his pastor buddy's comments are "wrong and divisive" without actually saying what's wrong or divisive about it.; 5:14 PM
Christopher said...: professor coldheart: Yeah, that's my favorite part, too.

As for the speech, I really wish we could get past this idea that the Isreal/Palestine conflict is a competition between good guys and bad guys. Life is not a Saturday morning cartoon.

I don't know, maybe radical Islam is at fault, but maybe, just possibly, Palestinians are angry at living in horrible conditions and being constantly blown up by Isreal.

I know it's radical, but I think we, as a country, should just consider, on the very off chance that it's true, that people don't like it when their neighborhood is destroyed by bombs.; 8:33 PM
Anonymous said...: The most optimistic thing one can say about Obama is that he's um, saying the sorts of things he says about the I/P conflict so he can win, and then do the best he can to bring about a fair resolution. Which, if true, means he's painted himself neatly into a corner--if he tries to be fair as President then he'll be revealed as (shock) a person who wasn't totally open about what he believed as a candidate.

What I think might happen is he'll pull another Clinton--try to bring a solution, bully the Palestinians more than the Israelis, and then blame the Palestinians when it all blows up.

Donald; 9:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Donald:
Some history is difficult to predict with precision; this is not one of those times.
Just as no one in a position of so-called authority will do anything about China (NOTHING WILL INTERFERE WITH THE GAMES), no one is going to tilt the wheel in the Palestinian's favor (i.e. make the playing surface more level).
None of the three remaining Presidential candidates that is.
Although I'm sure you're correct that any of them will act much as Clinton I did.
Welcome!
Tom Truthful; 7:57 AM
obam-a-lot said...: professor coldheart,

Well, it's couched in Magical Unity Pony-ese but

"...Ironically, this quintessentially American – and yes, conservative – notion of self-help found frequent expression in Reverend Wright’s sermons. But what my former pastor too often failed to understand is that embarking on a program of self-help also requires a belief that society can change.

The profound mistake of Reverend Wright’s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It’s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country – a country that has made it possible..."

I appreciate all the snark, but can we give him a break, if only because the speech must have caused more than a handful of campaign strategists and pollsters to have apoplectic fits.; 9:26 AM
LA Confidential Pantload said...: I thought it was an excellent speech and well delivered. I still think he's a dickhead, though.; 11:08 AM
steveb said...: What I want to know is: how come Ashley gets a name, but the old black man is just "old black man"? Is he from central casting? Is he played by Morgan Freeman? Is there an "old black man #2 also listed in the credits?; 5:27 PM
Chris E. said...: Not to make excuses for that terrible line, but here's an example of what Obama is up against. Via Yglesias, this is from a WaPo report on a UJC meeting:

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Next question to [Obama surrogate Dan] Kurtzer: Obama's assertion that he needn't have a "Likud view" -- that of Israel's right-wing party -- to be pro-Israel. Kurtzer explained that Obama wanted to see a "plurality of views." Silence in the room.

To that, [Clinton surrogate Ann] Lewis retorted: "The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties." The audience members applauded.

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As usual, our options are Crazy vs. Mondo Deluxe Four-Alarm Crazy with Extra Cheese.; 9:49 AM
Anonymous said...: Ioz would like to see more candidates openly running on the Wright platform because they'd be so electable.; 8:50 PM

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