
One of the peculiarities géniales of Jean-Pierre Melville's extraordinary Army of Shadows, which chronicles a brief period in the life of a cell of the French Résistance in 1942, is this: no one gives a particular damn about France. They aren't nationalists. There's no talk of la gloire. When the cell's leader is smuggled into England and recieves a decoration from General de Gaulle, it's as a sort of absurdity. His companion wanders London, ducks almost accidentally into a nightclub where baby-faced British troops swing with pretty, uniformed girls while the bombs of the Blitz fall outside. The cell conducts two assassinations. Both of them are against traitors within their own organization. The action is almost devoid of politics. No liberté, égalité, fraternité. Struggle, secrecy, a meal here and there, hiding, killing, and ultimately being killed.
Jonathan Schwarz and James Wolcott both note the depressing, ritualistic demonization of "pacifism" from both of our political factions, noting likewise that those casting the anathemas rarely seem to grasp what pacifism actually is. Some time ago in comments here, a commenter of a lawyerly mindset tried to pin us all down, Perry Mason style, with the question of whether or not Monsieur IOZ believed that use of the American military was ever justified. The idea of asking such a question is to catch your humble blogauthor in a sort of contradiction, and to show that he is either a "blanket pacifist," to use Matthew Yglesias' bumbletongued term, or else has equally arbitrary, albeit different, standards and thresholds for killing people and blowing shit up.
The standard response among non-interventionists is that the only proper use of the military is to defend the nation against invation, that if Mexico decides to launch a war, or whatever, we are justified in responding with force. In fact, I would not go that far. The United States of America as an entity is to me not worth one drop of human blood. The notion that we represent some bulwark against the descent of darkness in this world, lonely Gondor against the hordes of the east (or, lordy, whatever) is self-satiated nonsense. I cannot imagine that I would take up arms to defend America. I might even join the other side, depending on the physical quality of the boyz in the barracks, if you know what I'm saying.
On the other hand, if some army of Albanians actually did overrun the country and I found myself in an occupied Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania, I cannot imagine not grabbing the rifle and bombing the bridges. This is something that we largely fail to understand about the resistance in Iraq: that it operates on two interrelated but nevertheless distinguisahable levels; that the desire to eject the Americans from "Iraq" is actuated by the desire to eject them from Sadr City; that the lived experience of our occupation is not on a national scale but rather on a local one, and therefore resistance likewise operates locally. A militiaman may know some nationalistic rhetoric, may employ it, and may even believe it to a degree, but ultimately "Iraq" is merely a political abstraction, whereas his neighborhood is physical and real.
By and large, I reject the use of state militaries entirely. I am not a fan of nation-states. That is necessarily a position deep in hypothetical space, given the world we live in, but nevertheless forms a baseline principle. On the other hand, I support the prerogative of people to resist their masters, whether foreign or domestic, by means up to and including violent resistance. This does not make me a pacifist, and yet in the eyes of the loons at the National Review and the more sober eyes of Brother Yglesias, it obviates my analyses of American warmaking. Fortunately I don't care. The reason to complain about exemption from mainstream dialogue is desire to participate, which for me is like getting pissed that a priest will deny me communion even though I'm not a Catholic.
Tuesday, May 06, 2008
On The Outside Looking In
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There is nothing in pacifism that would prevent one from defending one's continued existence. Granted armed rebellion against oppression is slightly different from that, but not much.
I do consider myself a pacifist and am opposed to all war. But I have often wondered what I would do if put in the position of, say, Native Americans, or Palestinians.
"There is nothing in pacifism that would prevent one from defending one's continued existence."
Well, there is, actually. "Defending" is a pretty broad term, but pacifists do reject force of arms even for self-defense. You might want to see Gandhi's remarks about the Jews and the Holocaust as an example of the extent to which use of arms against others can be utterly rejected.
I remember a conversation I had in the early stages of the war with a man in a NJ diner, who was proclaiming with his friends at the table behind me that he was astonished the Iraqis were fighting against US! I mean, the people there to deliver them democracy!!
I turned around and asked if he hated Canadians. A little baffled, he said he didn't. I asked if he wanted to kill a Canadian. He said no again, now really weirded out. I told him I didn't have anything against Canadians either, but if they fired a rocket into my brother's house and killed him and his entire family, then I would do my best to make those maple-flagged fuckers pay.
Don't know if he understood me at all, but it kept him quiet for the rest of the meal.
I'm a Buddhist, but I'm also chicken-shit... so I figure there's not much risk of me violating my deeply-held beliefs by rising up to throw off the yoke of our hated Shqiptarët overlords.
I want to blow some shit up.
"You might want to see Gandhi's remarks about the Jews and the Holocaust as an example of the extent to which use of arms against others can be utterly rejected."
I have. And while I truly respect Gandhi & the means by which he enabled a non-violent revolution, he isn't the only word on pacifism. Remember, he came from a culture which gave us Jainism. I think an historically articulated authentic pacifist position has been made which still includes the use of force when one's own life is at stake.
"I think an historically articulated authentic pacifist position has been made which still includes the use of force when one's own life is at stake."
Has been made by whom? I'm curious. I am not claiming Ghandi as the only word on pacifism. But biblical Christian pacifism, too, rejects violence even in self-defense. And this, I think, is the very point that Jonathan, James Wolcott, and I are making: that pacifism is in fact exceedingly rare, and that most who oppose warfare in general admit certain exceptions, such as resistance to occupation or self-defense.
i think there's a difference between pacifism as a personal philosophy (for instance, i would rather die or rot in prison than kill another human being), and pacifism as national military policy (which, near as i can tell, doesn't exist).
army of shadows rules.
"Has been made by whom?"
William James and Jane Addams took a good shot at it iirc.
You make an excellent point about the nature of the resistence in Iraq that I haven't seen too much of in the sources I follow. That is, that it is primarily local.
Recently, I heard an Iraqi professor (and formerly an avid proponent of US action to depose Saddam) comment that they all knew that invading Iraq would be tantamount to taking the lid off the proverbial Pandora's Box. But what they did not anticipate and soon discovered was that - there was no box.
Re: the last two sentences of the post.
I guess you're actually practising some form of placid-fism.
For a seller of apathy, you sure do get a lot of repeat customers.
yeah, i have to agree with nit. you care, ioz, and you know it.
Lack of agression is better than agression. I guess that's not exactly pacifism, but its as close as I'll get. Can't say I wouldn't defend my own self, but wouldn't lift a finger to defend the country at this point.
OTOH, I'd love to be the "resistance". It sounds so glamourous and made up. Fuck being a grunt, that's for suckers. I want Spy vs Spy, dark alleys and double-crossing. Otherwise, what fun is war?
For a seller of apathy, you sure do get a lot of repeat customers.
Is it time for a "LURK AND LEARN" comment? I think it may be.
I saw that post by Sir James this morning and thought of you, Monsieur.
Brother Matt is more in your weight class, as it were.
I had a wonderful Quaker/pacifist professor of Poly Sci at university. He said his beliefs prevented him from taking up arms, in theory, even if the visigoths were at the door, threatening his family. He underscored the point that this was only in theory, and that he of course didn't know what he would actually do if push came to shove.
Fortunately, we in this country rarely have the shit bombed out of our villages.
Mike
I don't feel like repeating my comments from A Tiny Revolution, so those who hang on my every word will have to click the link there to find out my actual opinion on pacifism.
The founding fathers (or at least a significant portion of them) weren't especially fond of standing armies and also sought to rely on militias. The cool thing about them is they refused to invade Canada during the 1812 war. I would also suggest replacing our militarized SWAT teams and the like with posses.
Dave Kopel compares some modern Christian version of pacifism here. Mencius Moldbug accuses "peace" activists of actually desiring victory here. From there you can find Steve Dutch's critique of pacifism and Richard Grenier's disemboweling of Gandhi the movie and the man.
Oh god, Army Of Shadows. I'm something of a movie buff and that film has a hold on me like few other things I've seen. The utter hopelessness of the situation the main characters face, the lack of "glory" and glamorization of what they had to do, it's just all so god damn bleak, and yet, it achieves a transcendant beauty precisely because of that bleakness.
I'm torn; I've got a lot of poor ass Mexican friends in the military, who are there out of lack of other options to advance to some station of comfort in life or because it's a family tradition/test of their machismo, so as much as I probably should have some contempt for the troops (yeah, they're just taking orders, blah blah blah), I have a hard time with it, because I can't damn my friends, no matter how stupid and sheepish I feel they are for enlisting in this country's army. Ideally, I'd love to call the Iraqi freedom fighters heroes, but I can't exactly root for them either, you know?
Fuck, the corners this glorious Republic paints us into, eh?
Daniel Larison is good on the issue, but Larison is always good.
The Iraqi "freedom fighters" are neither heroes nor villains. They just are. I agree with Caplan that it would really be best if they all just gave up, because war tends to be a negative sum game, but there's reason to expect that to happen and it would be silly to shake my fist at them for not doing so. Might as well wish for a pony while I'm at it. I'll stick with mere Menckenesque contempt for everyone.
There's also a tale about the wonderful Lytton Strachey, who was a conscientious objector during World War I. His conscription board asked him, "What would you do if a Hun were raping your sister?" He replied, "I would endeavour to interpose myself between them."
tggp, "I agree with Caplan that it would really be best if they [the Iraqi insurgents] all just gave up..." Well, if we're going to fantasize, it would be best if the US and its coalition of the willing withdrew their invading, occupying forces and paid vast reparations to Iraq for the damage we've done them. Telling other people to take up nonviolent resistance, let alone compliance with murdering occupiers, is not the most sensible thing to do. If you want to recommend it to your own countrymen, go ahead and lotsa luck, but it's not your prerogative to tell the Iraqis what would be best for them.
Great post, IOZ.
It's also worth distinguishing non-violent action from pacifism, as it is worth distinguishing "bumblemouth" pacifism from disdain for the armed nation-state.
I'm not going to do it, though.
First of all, pacifism is nothing to hide behind -- just look at our current situation with that camel fucker in Iraq.
Next, when it comes to actually accomplishing the goals of successful Euro-style overseas empires (goals like profitable resource extraction and some sort of remaking of the native elite to cement future access to said resources) the Americans are fucking amateurs. At least one of them imagined that the Green Zone might include a swell Amusement Park, just like Vegas, which is also in a desert, and maybe once the right kind of happiness had been imagineered into place, something very special might happen that would prevent the rides from being mortared.
Americans are fragile in a way. They can't deal with the idea that the people we liberate might mistake us for the aggressive imperialists we are. The usual formations of American nationalism work to prevent their hosts from the emotional problems their white-supremacist empire occasions. Even beyond pacifism.
I dabbled in pacifism once. Not in Nam of course.
Sometimes it's worth stating the obvious.
We can post and repost, blog and blawg, theorize and strategize. Because we are citizens of this nation state.
The militiaman (what an odd word) IOZ cited doesn't have a pot to piss in, separate from the one he gets to cook in, because of this nation state.
Few of us commenting here can imagine the squalor, filth and general wretchedness a head of household in Sadr City is experiencing under U.S. occupation.
That "camelfucker" must look pretty good to him in retrospect.
And we get to debate whether pacificism is a good thang or not.
America is so cool.
Mike
blogging has done for progress what pacifism has done for the martial arts.
Awesome analogy Mr. Fun. I've got a hundred cheesy kung fu movie sages saying "the best defense is not to fight" or some such, right before the acrobatic ass-kicking everyone paid to see commences.
"Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you."
That's one ah dem Gnostics, but I guess the point is that progress is not our product.
He who makes violence physically inescapable is wrong. The rest sorta runs from there.
As much as I like this post, and I do, I can't quite wrap my head around principled rejection of self-defense under the banner of USA, but acceptable self-defense under the banner of Pittsburgh. What about the state of Pennsylvania? Northeast American Resistance? It seems to me that the only reason to limit yourself to your immediate surroundings is an a priori rejection of any larger - in numbers and area - organization of human beings. That doesn't strike me as a principled reason to defend only Pittsburgh, but an excuse, and frankly smells just faintly of the xenophobia American's are so fond of, just ratcheted down an order of magnitude.
Understanding what the Iraqis do, I would suggest, is no cause to limit your own imagination.
IOZ wrote:
"Some time ago in comments here, a commenter of a lawyerly mindset tried to pin us all down, Perry Mason style, with the question of whether or not Monsieur IOZ believed that use of the American military was ever justified. The idea of asking such a question is to catch your humble blogauthor in a sort of contradiction, and to show that he is either a "blanket pacifist," to use Matthew Yglesias' bumbletongued term, or else has equally arbitrary, albeit different, standards and thresholds for killing people and blowing shit up."
The problem lies in your statement "equally arbitrary, albeit different, standards and thresholds for killing people" because you then concede that not all threshold of killing people are equal and arbitrary by conceding the fight is ok if the fight is local. You then further confound the ideas by rejecting the USA as an entity but accepting Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania as legitimate entities worth fighting for. You wrote you would fight if:
"I found myself in an occupied Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania"
Now these entities you accept as worth fighting for seem just as arbitrary as USA. I understand that your point is to try to make the case that fighting locally is worthy but you seem to understand that defining locally gets you sliding down the slippery slope to the individual level pretty quick where you accept that if some bugger is pushing you around making you do nasty things you'll fight back. So, in the end, you accept there is a necessity to fight. The problem seems to lie in at what point do you engage in organized violence. You and your boyfriend, and a couple of other friends will fight against folk trying to tar and feather your boyfriend because you are gay, ya? But now you are organized and it isn't just your own personal sanctity you are fighting for but another’s. You can take the logic all the way back up to the city, State and Nation state level. In the end, I think you are a law and order kind of guy who cares what the laws actually are and how they are made. You also seem to be willing to fight for those ideas. This isn't to state that invading and occupying Iraq is worthy but rather there is justification for fighting, even in an organized manner, and the underpinnings of the organization is political and the specifics matter.
Perhaps, La_Rana, it's matter of loyalties. But xenophobia? Maybe you ought to reread the definition of that word, because I don't think it means what you seem to think it means. Chauvinism and xenophobia aren't synonyms.
The distinction being made, in any case, is not of scale but of kind. A Northeast American Resistance: sure, why not? Army of Shadows, the film I cited, actually shows how this sort of thing works. The Resistance cell carries out actions in several cities, yet always on an intensely local scale, and never within the context of any overriding political goal like, say, the restoration of the Third Republic.
The conflation of a political order with peoplehood is obviously greatest in a country like the US and lesser where there exists a deeper ethnolinguistic cultural identity, but the point is that I would not volunteer for nor serve in the United States' military under any circumstances, but would surely consider fighting the occupiers, just as Iraq is full of people who would not have served in Hussein's army, or who only served because they were press-ganged into it, but who nevertheless participate actively in resistance against the foreign military that came to defeat it.
"In the end, I think you are a law and order kind of guy who cares what the laws actually are and how they are made."
Who wants a go at this one?
...or as la rana said ever more succinctly.
Why not yo IOZ? Tell us why you are keen to get tar and feathered by mobs of anti-fag folk because they can or coke blown out of your ass by Cheney and his pals at Haliburton. No holds barred, last man standing, kinda shit is it for ya.
. . .he quoted Mark Twain to me: "loyalty to the country always; loyalty to the government when it deserves it." It was an essential distinction I had been neglecting.
I said xenophobia because your explanation entails not defending yourself and others alongside people with whom you share a contiguous piece of land and many cultural and social similarities, because they fight for them. In the context of self-defense, that seems as arbitrary a distinction on the basis of bifurcated labeling as xenophobia. Smells was the key word.
I'm glad to hear you would take up arms to defend the homeland of fall foliage and stone walls, but your explanation that the action plays out in a certain way strikes me as entirely unhelpful to your moral case. My question is still "why stop there?" I don't conflate the political order with peoplehood; I just recognize that the distinction is not a useful one when defending yourself against invading persons intending to do you harm.
I would never consider joining the United States military either, nor would I support their political order. But if someone came up to me, screaming about America the Great and how we must defend her dignity against these dirty foreign invaders, you can be damn sure I'd hand him a gun and say "follow me."
I'd be all like: "oh really? show me."
then I'd decide what to do next.
Well it seems to me, la_rana, that you're making rather the same distinction that I am, although I gotta tell you, I'm with Mr. Fun on this one.
I'd be all like "ok chillinz, what do you say is the problem? who? what? where? what did they say? what did they do? they have what? they look like what? did you talk to them? did they come after you?"
or more likely true: "chillinz, now what did you do to start this? am I gonna have to smack one a youz after I come back from talking with these folks?"
but yeah if someone punches me in a bar likely I'd laugh or fight back or something. theoretically.
If someone punches me in a bar I'd definitely blog about it.
Pennsylvania is what, the second (maybe the largest, I forget) largest importer of hazardous and municipal waste in the country? we get most of Jersey's and NYC's trash and bury it here.
fuck it.
you can have it Osama, it's all yours.
If someone punched me at a bar I'd call Pelosi and harangue her to have the President impeached.
you're sooo gonna shoot your eye out with that thing.
Maybe someone will invade our country, kill our leaders and convert us to Christianity.
That "rather" does yeoman's work.
Someone's gotta do the yeoman's work. He's off defending his country!
With any luck, god and country.
I ain't fightin yo war til I'm done with mine, yo.
Stuck with yourself like the rest of us
Dirt gets done and then we back to dust
Just tryna keep my mind on work
It's like that's the only way to love this life on Earth
It's like everyone takes number one in the race
'Cause we all keep runnin' in place
Isn't that just a charming notion, we little monkeys defending our omnipotent creator?
Well somebody's gotta do it IOZ!
I wonder if Mel Gibson reads this blog.
I bet he does, you bunch a lilly-livered fags and juden%^%$^^^&^*9999^^%%$%$%^ ^^%#%&^&@*@*(@00! Praise the True Pope!
"Pacifist except under condition X" reminds me irresistably of "little bit pregnant." Can't see defending Pittsburgh from the Albanians, or Ventura, California (where I live) from the Mexicans, Hmong, or the Invasion of the Fish People; wouldn't even respond with like action to a punch in a bar fight.
I worked in a coop daycare where we had an absolute no physical punishment of kids rule (didn't want to brew future Authoritarian Personalities); we used instead (cause toddlers do get out of control to the point where they can hurt others and themselves) physical restraint (essentially a smothering hug) and timeouts (calibrated at maximum length of one minute per year of age).
This worked well: many highly evolved children (we parents modestly agreed!) grew up there.
Could we apply those techniques in our foreign policy? We could (a genuinely pacifist Marshall Plan, a genuinely non-aggressive policy of containment), and they would constitute an impregnable self-defense of whatever burg we wanted not to be impregnated by alien sperm. But war's easier, and happily produces more goodies, as IOZ noted in the subsequent post.
kevin e., you can't keep an opposing army out by hugging it, and if you tell them to sit in the corner they will probably ignore or shoot you.
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