Friday, July 18, 2008

The Astral Significance of Ralph Nader

There are more serious pathologies in Donkledom than Thanksralphery, but none so consistently hilarious. The conviction that a few thousand fringe characters, rather than the hundreds of thousands of registered Democrats who voted for the Republican candidate, were the wooden stake through the mechanical heart of the electronic Saint Albert Gore is only one of many sharp edges in the cracked ontology of the Democratic faith, and through their many refractions comes light as through a kaliedescope after a good mouthful of mushrooms*. On the other hand, my sympathy for Nader is almost entirely formed of my antipathy for the Donk and all she stands for. Were it not for my underlying pleasure at the ruined chances of Mr. Iraq Liberation Act and his running mate, the Huckleberry Hound, I'd be more hostile, because, at last, the radicalism of your basic Naderite barely dips below the soil; these are people, by and large, who believe in democracy, the sort of campus revisionists who used to insist that just because virtually every instance of the adoption of Marxism-socialism-communism as a practical ideology resulted in vicious, tyrannical dictatorship, well, that didn't mean that wouldn't work if someone would just do it right. The third-party impulse in American politics, of which Nader is the most prominent but not the sole example, is an example of a venal ideological commitment to a system premised on the ridicule, corruption, and destruction of internal dissent. Even to cast oneself as a "protest" candidate and asking supporters to cast a "protest" vote is to reify political obedience as a concrete expression of political will, when in reality all you've done is waste gas and most of your morning in order to play your part in legitimating a farce.

Case in point: I had to pop over to the optometrist today to get a pair of glasses repaired, and on the way a pair of college dudes in bad sandals stopped me and asked if I'd sign a petition to get Nader on the PA ballot. Despite all those nasty things I said just above, I refer you back to my opening, and say simply that yes, I am dyspeptic enough to sign off on such a thing, if only in order to give myself a chance to cackle at other's misfortunes later on. I told the kids that not only would I sign, I would sign many times in many hands, using the names of living friends and relatives, all verifiable, none of whom would balk in the least at this minor act of political vandalism. They met the offer with such looks of horror that even I was momentarily taken aback, thinking maybe I'd murdered a cat, but no, no, that wasn't the case. "That would be . . . fraud," the long-haired one whispered, then hissed, glancing around as if expecting to be overheard. "Fraud!?" said I. You're trying to slide your way into a contest so rigged and fraudulent as to beggar belief in the first place, and beyond that, it's a contest whose design is inherently hostile to you, which sets up extraordinary impediments to your participation at every opportunity, undermining you at every chance with almost sadistic glee. And you're worried about a little ballot-stuffing in a petition whose sole purpose is to get you into the locker room, where at best they'll ridicule your little pecker and stuff you into a locker before heading out onto the fields? Seriously? Fah real?


*Do not write complex, compound sentences on mushrooms. Or go to work on mushrooms.

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

See, this is why you don't get invited to Austin to be on the fuck panel.

MandT said...

Or enter a mush room. aka. the fuck panel.

TS said...

Sometimes mushrooms are the only way to get through the day. The colors you see after repeatedly bashing your head against the wall just aren't the same.

Anonymous said...

I went to work on shrooms once, and it was awesome, I just had to keep reminding myself not to tell everyone I encountered that I was, in fact, on shrooms.

Of course the last time I did shrooms I sat in my bedroom with my girlfriend for 5 hours watching Season 5 of Kids In The Hall, hallucinating that I was Zeus and then The Atom, and crying out of the pure joy of knowing I was alive at several points, then standing in my living room and declaring "I AM STONEHENGE!" and writing and re-writing 12 different books in my head, all of which have now disappeared from my brain entirely.

So maybe I'm not the best example, ya see

Anonymous said...

The last time I was at work on Mushrooms, I found myself getting way too into a RZA album.

bdr said...

Just south of Uniontown, in Garrett County Maryland

http://wvgazette.com/latest/200807170428

Phil Lesh? Ralph Nader?

But EATING arugula isn't good enough for you, you COOK with arugula, you elitist.

I haven't had good mushrooms in twenty years, but still get a hankering.

NutellaonToast said...

You confuse me, ioz.

I can see your distaste for the whole system, but the 2000 election, well, it might've at least kept us our of Iraq.

I mean, the shithole that is our current way of life aside, war's pretty shitty, ain't it. Whether or not Nader made a diff, it really fucking sucks that Goire didn't beat Bush, even if Gore would've been also a chump.

I mean, chump v chump, let's pick the chump that won't go bombing the fuck outta people, yee haw.

BTW, I almost voted nader, but I was too feared cause the election was too close and I knew Bush would be worse.

incgnfcnt said...

nutella, it's simple

every democrat who voted republican did double the damage to gore's total than did the naderites. oh and there were a lot fucking more of them.

so if you've got ire, spare it

cb said...

Well, you gotta be careful here with the "democrats voting republican" thing. Due to closed voting and essentially one-party rule in many muicipalities, lots of people register for a party they don't ever actually vote for in order to participate in mayoral & city council elections.

So, NRA-member, gay-bashing, death-tax repealing folks may register as democrats because the democrat always win the local races, and the guy figures, hey, if i can help choose the more rightwing democrat in the primary, my vote might actually matter. But when these people vote republican in the presidential race, they're not exactly "betraying" their party.

But I am 100% with you on the retarded thanksralphery. Nader's an idiot and the world would be better off if he hadn't ran in 2000, or really, ever, but that doesn't make "A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush" true, as it is, you know, mathematically false. But try making that simple point (see? a vote for nader is like an abstention, not an active vote for the other candidate!) on even a sensible liberal site, and prepare to be pilloried. It's ridiculous.

Aaron said...

I heard Ralph Nader is an asexual. That's one metaphysical step or two less potent than impotent. You'd think the Crats would love 'im.

Anonymous said...

IOZ, did you see that Dennis P. compared you to the Joker? I think you should be flattered, if you can manage to forget all that business with shooting helpless women in the spine and poisoning schoolchildren.

incgnfcnt said...

the fury-in-waiting of sensible liberals somehow doesn't get me too stirred up

Crusader AXE of the Lost Causes said...

God, to be young and earnest again. That's the problem with idealists, vegans, and Utopians...they're idealists, vegans and Utopians.

Frankly, having been brought up in Irish-Catholic-Democratic circles, when my friends and I did the whole "we're gonna stop the war/racism/poverty/capitalism/Yoko Ono by signing a petition thing," my friends and I made like Mormons baptizing phone books. And, all the true idealist-reformers who were idealists as opposed to whatever we were (nascent anarcho-cynicalists?) would be shocked and throw them out...notice how well everything has gone since then.

Anonymous said...

BTW, I almost voted nader, but I was too feared cause the election was too close and I knew Bush would be worse.

Aside from the already-mentioned phenomenon of Democrats not bothering to vote for their party's candidate (not to mention Gore not being able to win his own state), there's also that little matter of 50% of the eligible voters choosing None of the Above.

Now, if I were a Donk party member, I'd be thinking that hey, if life has been good enough for you schmucks that you don't feel like interrupting your teevee watching to pay any attention to politics, then maybe it wouldn't be asking too much to go push a button at your high school gym for More of the Same, Please. The actual party members, though, would never dream of slamming half of the American People!™ for being lazy fucking morons who allowed a fratboy to make it into the Oval Office by their sheer apathy, even though that is actually a far more plausible version of the blame game. Gotta keep up that myth of the noble proletariat who would be outraged by all this being done in their name, if only they knew.

So it kinda tells you all you need to know when the Donks bypass the Supreme Court decision, the fake Republican-sponsored voter riots, the disenfranchisement of thousands of blacks in Florida, the media, and the aforementioned voter apathy in their fanatical zeal to bully and browbeat some idealistic heretics who - last I checked - were members of the Green party or independents, not Democrats, and would most likely not have voted at all had Nader not been on the ballot, given that their whole thing was about there not being a dime's worth of difference between Gore and Bush.

Call them starry-eyed naifs and all, but bottom line, they were not obligated to pick up the slack for a candidate who couldn't even get his own party members behind him. Even lefties like Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower, Chomsky, Zinn, et al always said to vote for a third party candidate if you could, but if you lived in a battleground state, go ahead and vote for Gore. They did their part, it's not their fault the Donks couldn't do theirs.

Joe said...

It doesn't justify a Nader vote just because a lot more also did something wrong.

"Hey, I know my vote can be a tipping point, but don't blame me! People who I scorn are also voting the wrong way, for the same basic reason ('hey, don't worry, it will be all for the best')."

IOW, perhaps you can expect various Nader voter would KNOW better than such individuals. Also, if you want third party, vote for one that makes an effort to win more than once every four years.

Like actual Greens, who actually win local elections and should run for more of them, many safe Dem seats there for the picking. Also, lies about how both sides are bad, that didn't sell well for me.

BTW, I voted for Nader -- in a safe state.

Anonymous said...

Hey joe, you dumb asshole, no one has to "justify" a Nader vote. Free will, ever heard of it? I guess democracy only counts when it's restricted to a choice between one wing of the War Party or the other, eh? Fuck you.

Mr.Fundamental said...

might have at least kept us out of Iraq

you must be new here. Gore woulda been all up in Iraq's shit too like he was chasing see-oh-2 pushing through Saddam's digestive tract. and, 90+ percent of the Dem's voted for the fucking venture. that's a rough estimate.

oh, and also, we're bringing Iraq "Democracy," not "A Republic." so quite frankly we only have the Democrats to blame.

Jesus Christ wipe your feet before you step through the door.

TS said...

I really liked that little subversive act. Have to make a mental note of it. Too bad those squares were so uptight about it.

God knows, if we got enough one percenters on the ballot, things could get really freaky. I myself prefer name recognition: Howard Stern, Barney, Heywood Jablowme...people that people who have said: "Fuck it. If I'm going to vote for anyone, I'm voting for Dead Gus Hall." would vote for.

TS said...

We were already "in" Iraq in 2000. Depends how you define "in". If you mean a no-fly zone over 3/4 of the country, regulating commerce going in and out of the borders, and sanctions killing hundreds of thousands of civilians...yeah, we were in like flint. The boots on the ground just increase the transparency of our influence.

NutellaonToast said...

You people are either way too stupid or way too cynical if you think things in Iraq wouldn't have been better under Gore.

Dems voted for the war because they felt forced to by Bush. I hate them as much as anyone for that. The fact still remains that Gore almost certainly wouldn't have pushed for the war and thus the dems wouldn't have even been asked to make the vote.

I don't blame the Naderites anymore than I blame any of the other morons who didn't vote for Gore. The indisputable facts were that it was one or the other. Bush had been a failure his entire life as well as being a ridiculous political hack and all of the other shit you guys would call him no matter who the fuck he was. Anyone with a brain could see that there was pretty much no one worse than him to choose to run the country. There is nothing worse than an arrogant moron. Therefore, anyone who didn't vote for Gore in that election (and double so for the ones in 04) is either stupid or mean. I don't care whether they voted for Bush, Nader, or the fucking Dhali Llama

John Caruso said...

I told the kids that not only would I sign, I would stab an old woman. "That would be . . . a horrific crime," the long-haired one whispered, then hissed, glancing around as if expecting to be overheard. "A crime!?" said I. You're trying to slide your way into a contest so criminally rigged as to beggar belief in the first place. Your sandals are a crime against my fashion sense. And yet you're worried about murdering a helpless old woman? Seriously? Fah real?

topazz said...

well, if that picture on your blog masthead is any indication, all of Pittsburgh appears to be on Peyote.

Crusader AXE of the Lost Causes said...

Yeah, things would have been different under Gore. We'd have just put giant solar panels across the fucking Sahara desert to power the world...

Misadventures abound. We would have had different misadventures, disasters and debacles. The cow would be extinct because of the methane gas issue, and we'd be burning human shit for heat. But, we wouldn't be in Iraq. We'd all have to wear those weird Bolivian sweaters and speak Esperanto, but we wouldn't be in Iraq...

Yeah, we're cynical. Derangedly so...and, whose fault is that? Me, I blame television and the Catholic Church. And, Bobby Kennedy who made me hope idealistically. It's all his fault. And, of course...the Illuminati.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't justify a Nader vote just because a lot more also did something wrong.

Jesus fuggin' aitch.

The whole point was that if you, for whatever reason, like to invent alternative histories of the 2000 election, and you desperately need to allot blame down to the precise microgram, there's a long list of more "deserving" candidates ahead of those Florida Greens.

THEREFORE...

We can safely conclude that Democrats would rather use this experience as a chance to crack down on heresy and prevent any dissatisfied voters from opting out, rather than, say, try to make their "brand" more palatable to more people. Yet, here they still are, trying to position themselves just fractionally to the Republicans' right while constantly flipping the bird at anyone to their left. It's clearly a winning strategy.

Also, if you want third party, vote for one that makes an effort to win more than once every four years.

Perhaps you recall that the whole point of voting for the guy was to try and get the Greens to 5% nationwide?

TS said...

Nutella said: You people are either way too stupid or way too cynical if you think things in Iraq wouldn't have been better under Gore.

Iraq under Clinton: 1 million die from sanctions (and the occasional bombing). Iraq under Bush: 1 million die from bombing and chaos. So help me, I don't see much difference.

The rest I can't comment on. You seem to be harboring the fantasy of Al Gore with a cape and an "S" on his chest flying through the air and pushing the missiles away from helpless civilians. The President's job is to sign stuff they slap in front of his face. Or not sign it. Those are the options. I find it hard to see how Gore would have helped when the Democrats were "forced to" pass a AUMF.

BTW I voted for Nader. AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA! I'm actually glad Gore didn't get elected, because you would just be hating him too. You should thank me.

Brian said...

People who still delude themselves that the reason for our debacle and the sinking iceberg of the Empire is because George W Bush is stupid and a failure. Sorry, but that is blazingly stupid and shows a total lack of understanding of how the US government works. As ts points out so eloquently, President Bush has not acted as a lone Uberleader, astride history making all the decisions by himself. Nope...The Bush Adminsitration is filled with the same old crew of hard core imperialists who have been around since Nixon (or before). It is not really "stupidity" that is to blame, but arrogance and sheer unwillingness to realize that their version of realpoplitic isn't very realistic after all.

And, funny thing is, Mr. "Change Change Change" is larding himself up with the exact same crew of warmongers and bombers and killers from the slightly more left side of the coin. (Warren Christopher, for God's sake!)

So blow me in your pious love for the Clintonistas. Same as it ever was.

TS said...

Actually, Brian, you put it more eloquently than me.

The moron-in-chief actually explained the shift in policy best when he said, "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out [thumbs up]." Up until that point, we'd been patiently biding our time, hoping against hope that a friendly general would take over and solve our problems for us. Clinton accomplished this latter task admirably and unwaveringly for his entire administration.

But even a powerless Saddam could still cut deals with other countries vis-a-vis "our" oil and 9/11 gave the U.S. the opportunity to try and get him out of the picture. They could read the supply and demand curves as well as we can and something had to be done, regardless of whether we had any real plan for post-Saddam Iraq.

Perhaps the "What should we do with Saddam?" question might have been answered slightly differently by Gore, but as long as our oil is under their sand, we will do what is necessary to defend our interest. (I think Carter actually elaborated on this more in a speech circa 1979, just to further illustrate the continuity of our policy).

I agree completely that their strategy isn't in the best interest of the U.S. at large, but it seems to be working out swimmingly for them (at least for now, it seems to be having the unintended effect of unplugging more and more people from the system).

Rightwingsnarkle said...

See, this is why you don't get invited to Austin to be on the fuck panel.

That's OK. Next year's fuck panel will be held in Pittsburgh, so IOZ should most definitely get a seat on it.

Anonymous said...

no two words seem to rile folks in the Donkleshpere as much as "ralph" and "nadir".

maybe it's just a coincidence that there is so much vitriol on the blawg comments this weekend as the country celebrates the video performance of a dead actor. (shades of "the crow".)

or, maybe it's the lack of new news from the two campaign camps.

or, maybe it's just this fucking heat.

fact is, no one knows what a CIC gore would or would not have done, especially with holy joe* at his side.

but it is fun to speculate i guess.

ronald

*a pitcher of margaritas and rewinding the tape of evil dick and holy joe's debate[sic] in '00 is a good way to beat the heat.

Mr.Fundamental said...

not one less brick of coal is going to be cracked on Brunner Island because you put a compact fluorescent in your bathroom.

America is going to do what America is going to do with Gore, Bush or whomever.

a libertarian Presidential candidate? lol.

I'm voting for McCain because if "America" is "actually" skidding towards that 48" Oak tree at the apex of the icy curve, at least he'll turn us into it.

Brian said...

"I'm voting for McCain because if "America" is "actually" skidding towards that 48" Oak tree at the apex of the icy curve, at least he'll turn us into it."

Senescent War Criminal in '08! Faster! Harder! and More Blindly! on the road to the Apocalypse!

Sergei Nechaev said...

I'm voting for McCain because if "America" is "actually" skidding towards that 48" Oak tree at the apex of the icy curve, at least he'll turn us into it.

Well, more than likely, he and a couple more like him will help pave the way for a genuine, old-school fascist leader to rise from the smoking, destitute ruins and promise Morning In America pt. 2. But hey, you stay pure there, champ. It's all about you and your trendy spoiled rich brat cynicism, really it is.

Funny how you little shriveldicks insist that all is vanity, yet attach so much importance to your brave act of refusing to vote for the lesser evil. Reminds me of all those goth kids who refuse to be part of the mainstream, man, and then prove it by forming an even more monochromatic herd than the people they're rebelling against.

AlanSmithee said...

I'm not sure which I like better: Nutella's semi-coherent semi-historical alternate-history pwoggie-bloggie account of our first Robot-American VP's saintly first term or Sergei's batshit-insane vision of the Pwoggie Apocalypse should the War Party beat the Other War Party in this year's "Most Important Ever Election in the History of Elections Ever."

One thing's for sure - these dipshit do-nothing democwats have John of Patmos knocked into a cocked hat.

Mr.Fundamental said...

I'm so glad to finally have someone to put me in my place. I have all the time in the world, because I'm not working towards a better America, or whatever, and I find that being yelled at on the internet tickles. that you find it worth your time and while to put me in my place makes me smile. time spent belittling me is time you could be using to change minds and save the world, etc. and on and on, amen. keep reading, I'll keep shovelling.

Monsieur is "helping his buddies out" by providing an annoying and viable distraction to all the agents of change out there on the internet. he's not ruining your party, is he? for shame. it's not working, is it? what's the ROI on trolling the annoying fag anarchists? I don't see much progress coming from these exchanges.

or must I explain everything to you.

ps. I love when the true good-hearted liberal/pwog selves shine through the chrome gleen of pwogfection. behold the understanding! behold the empathy! somehow this is evolution as I expected it.

IOZ said...

Well, alansmithee, I do believe that nutella scores the TKO on the "Llama Rule."

Me, I'm voting for the alpaca.

Brian said...

shriveldick? Cause nothing is more MANLY than staying true to a Democratic Party that consistently shivs its true believers in the small of the back. You go there, good sir. I'm sure you will be leading an e-mail campaign that causes the world to shiver when President Commander Data announces that national security requires a massive bombing campaign in Iran.

Dunc said...

You people are either way too stupid or way too cynical if you think things in Iraq wouldn't have been better under Gore.

If by "better" you mean that the war crimes would have been better organised and handled more efficiently, then you may be right. Very few people reading this site agree with that definition.

Well, more than likely, he and a couple more like him will help pave the way for a genuine, old-school fascist leader to rise from the smoking, destitute ruins and promise Morning In America pt. 2.

Well, I for one an thoroughly sick of having people parsing the precise meaning of the word "fascism" so as to define it in some way that doesn't currently apply to the US (if you squint right), so really - what fucking difference would that make? At least this hypothetical fascist leader will be somewhat limited in their actions, owing to the whole smoking ruins / destitution thing - unlike the current actual fascist leaders who are in possession of both the largest military and the largest economy the world has ever seen.

(And if someone replies to this with a link to Eco's "14 Tenets of Ur-Fascism" and an argument that one or two of them aren't really, truly fully operational right now in the US, I will hunt them down and kill them. Or laugh at them. Whichever works for you.)

Thomas Daulton said...

IOZ dude, I was a Birkenstock-wearing Naderite in 2000, and still like teh guy for various reasons, but this is the best IOZ post _EVAH_. I'm laughing so hard I can barely breathe. Partly from the commentary -- again we note that nothing riles the Donkle like Ralph, there are easily five times as many comments on this post in one day than most of IOZ's anarchy posts get in a month -- but none of it would have been possible without such a bullseye of a posting at the top of the pile. Keep it up!!

Brian said...

dunc: Just wanna say that this was a beautiful comment (as much as I LIKE the Umberto Eco piece, I bet he would agree with you 100%)

Anonymous said...

I'm down with thomas daulton.
However, I confuse easier with age.
Are WE part of the Donk?
Just checking.
-----------------------------------
Serg's remarks were one way to draw traffic to his site.
But, um, have you SEEN his site??
That is some scary shit dewds and dewdettes.
Not sure why he was trolling, here, in agnostic central.
Oh well, to each his own fantasies.
But, picking a fight with our mr. fun?
Not the brightest bulb in the pack.

Mike

Anonymous said...

cb

NRA-member, gay-bashing, death-tax repealing folks

Good thing we're on an anarchist site where we can laugh at those fascists who think they have the right to own guns and decide who gets the money they earned when it could so much better be spent building clusterbombs. Every time I run up against one of them, all I can think of is "gay basher."

BTW, what does cb stand for? Paul Rosenberg?