If it hadn't been for the video nobody would have believed this family.Liberals of my acquaintance observe with regret and mourning that George W. Bush and his Republican party have done some kind of inexpressible "damage to our institutions." Their managerialism shows through: they believe that good people--civil servants, career professionals, graduates of the Coro Center for Civic Leadership, Justice Department lawyers, Assistant District Attorneys, etc.--toiling within these institutions (idealized abstractions of the physical apparati of state power, natch) work, oh, not universally, but generally and dilligently for the betterment of our society and our lives, unless corrupted by "ideology." Ideology is a euphemism for Republicanism, whatever that is.
-La Digs
Liberals accuse Conservatives of undue fealty to power, but the Liberal trust in these Institutions leads naturally to siding with authority. When I see someone write that she'd never believe--nobody would ever believe--that agents of state authority, armed and empowered to use violence, would act violently, unless we saw the documentary evidence first, I see someone whose perpetual shock suggests a serious divorce from reality. The Right, in this regard, is much more realistic. They've constructed a whole apologetics for state brutality, defending dog-killers and bro-tasers as necessary enforcers of order and subservience, shrugging off those abuses that can't be denied as regrettable but inevitable features of the system, or else, in extremis, as "bad apple" aberrations. In other words, a Conservative admits to his worldview the fact that authority is often violent (indeed, he approves of it), and is therefore neither surprised nor shocked when violence-by-the-authorities occurs.
Liberals are much more dishonest and contradictory on the point. Because they selectively exclude the foundation of santioned violence from their conception of the state-as-a-cooperative-enterprise, they are routinely shocked when the smoke rolls back and they witness the boot coming down. You can see it most clearly in their reaction to clumsy, blatant warfare of the Iraq variety, but it shows up in a more ubiquitous and insidious form in their constant surprise at police beatings, or prosecutorial corruption, which, again, they usually pin on some Republican ideologue-bogeyman who's corrupted our institutions of public safety. Incoherency leads to a sort of hysteria, but however many times they witness the plain evidence that their worldview is wrong, they respond as if it has never happened before:
Apparently, this is the way things are done in America these days. The police can shoot you full of electricity for any reason they choose and can deliver marijuana to your house and then burst in without warning, shoot your dogs down in cold blood and then when it turns out you are an innocent victim, shrug and say what they did was perfectly appropriate. This could happen to any one of us at any time.These days, she says, as if it constitutes a novelty. Ask poor urban blacks or rural whites, people with no vested interest in defending any aspect of our status quo, to describe their interactions with police, and see if you don't revise your opinions about the commonnness of "abuses." By and large, the people who want to take up the mantle of "progressivism" or "activism" are people who have failed to construct an accurate model of the world in which they live. The latter begets the former, in fact, because their shock and surprise impel them into their various political programs.
I would have believed that family without a video.
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I think your reading of this quotation is wrong.
I believe 'nobody' is referring to the courts, media, and criminal justice system.
I don't think Digby is saying that she wouldn't have believed that police would act in such a fashion.
eh, not so much:
Don't they train police or require they have any common sense anymore?
to the Lib abuse is a bug not a feature, no? Libs expect an asymptote over time whereas Cons expect a standard deviation or two.
Can we all agree that life sucks, people in power brutalize their underlings, etc.? I lack Ioz faith that it is THE STATE alone which abuses. I lack the faith of others on the lefty anarchist circuit that "indigenous peoples'" tribal systems are inherently kind (ask the kid who was brutalized because his sister flirted with a lower caste boy in Pakistan).
Ioz is right, though....smash up the State and there is less opportunity for massive concentrations of power to do wrong. So....in my inchoerent ramblings....
I experienced something similar to this today when trying to explain to my wife why our first trimester screening was useful, even though it was not a diagnostic.
I drew up a standard four square crosstab and showed how even though the screening accurately predicts Down's Syndrome 83% of the time, the vast majority of abnormal results still result in a healthy baby.
If you empower the police to use violence in apprehending "criminals", you still are implicitly trusting them to accurately identify a criminal. I don't think anyone should be surprised how many times you end up with the old "type I error", particularly when the possibility of using violence is very high.
>I lack the faith of others on the lefty anarchist circuit that "indigenous peoples'" tribal systems are inherently kind
Wait, wait, who ever said that? "Indigenous peoples" can of course be just as oppressive , if not more so.
Right the fuck on.
schizo. Nobody here said that. I was just noting that "THE STATE" is not the only inherently oppressive thing. The violent baboon troop we call human "society" is inherently oppressive. Maybe, of course, State societies are more so, of course.
other anon, you give Digby, way, way, way too much credit. She is the most egregiously imbelic pwoggie blaawwger there is. She is to stupid, blind faith in "the system" as moDo is to snippy banality.
Is it just me, or is this case getting a lot more attention than the killing of Kathryn Johnston
by Atlanta narcs?
Liberals are much more dishonest and contradictory on the point.
Maybe it's the liberal in me talking, but I'm not sure this is fair. Conservatives talk about small government and often accuse Liberals of wanting the world to become some centralized communist dictatorship.
Heck, they love small government so much that some straight-up Republicans will call themselves "libertarian" just cause it earns them street cred.
Yet these same people usually love the military and advocated a harsher, more violent legal system. People who don't trust the government to take care of the roads do trust them to decide who lives and who dies.
I'd hardly call that coherent.
As for Digby, this is the way police have acted since, well, forever. It's fascinating to me how patriotism worms its way into the Democratic consciousness.
If anything, the police are significantly less violent and authoritarian then they were 50, 100, or 150 years ago.
So what is this "It was better in the good old days" refrain I hear coming from Democrats? A way to dodge charges of America-hating? A way to reduce the cognitive dissonance of patriotism?
ioz. postulate that the state is hard wired in our genetic makeup.
discuss....
Signed,
some other anonymous guy
doing a really really really bad
impersonation
of
ee cummings
I love this man.
Been living out of a suitcase and a sleeping bag for a couple of weeks, but I am getting my feet back up under me. IOZ is beating the same beat-worthy people, and I respect that.
As for me, my TV's an Esperanto and for now I'll take a 12 of Miller High Life and The Pogues.
Fuck these fucking fucks. Equal sign + right bracket.
Bleak, bleak, bleak. And accurate. But, as always, no alternative models. One gets points for being a realist who doesn't much care if people get their heads bashed in by the state, because, hey, at least it's an ethos or whatever. But no points at all for wanting to make the world suck less, but hypocritical about it. A foolish consistency, etc, etc.
A common thread with you, IOZ, is showing great pleasure in explaining why progressives are idiots and hypocrites while failing to experience any guilt over your own near-total helplessness/uselessness. It's a nice trick. Maybe you should teach classes.
How ridiculous and what a stranger he is who is surprised at anything which happens in life. - Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, Meditations, XII, 13
Guilt? WTF, Father Colin?
"helplessness/uselessness" Neither nor. There's food on my table and pot in my pipe. Your mistake is assuming that I want to do anything, or offer "alternative models." I'm not a social engineer. The world doesn't "suck." It is what it is. Just because I don't like the concert doesn't mean I'm going to start my own band.
Then what on earth is the point of any of this?
Maybe there's a mistake in there, but it isn't assuming that you want to do anything, other than write a blog that is frequently a paean to your own intellect. Child prodigies never quite live up to the expectations others have for them, do they?
I'm asserting your helplessness/uselessness. Not saying that you acknowledge it.
Why even bother with constructing an accurate model of the world? Because "at least it's true," or some other high-school-quality trope?
Many people spend much of their time constructing a world of justification for what they were going to do anyway. In this regard, you are not different from those you mock.
An alternative model to bashing people's heads in is to stop doing it, stop encouraging it, stop rationalizing it, stop voluntarily giving assistance to people whose goal is better managed bashing.
Where there's a limited popular will to do away with sanctioned cruelties, undermining the socially acceptable aspect is an alternative model.
Where the pwoggery paints itself as deeply concerned, there's a lot more than hypocrisy. There's a sick need to be loved and respected for expending massive amounts of energy towards the provision of procedurally defensible cruelties. And no intention of stopping.
Colin, you appear to have fallen into the gaseous sanctimony typical of people who suckle the neener, neener, tuo quoque fallacy. Fortunately, there's an alternative model: stop doing it. The bloat will pass, by and by.
"Gaseous sanctimony." Yap, yap.
sharp and well aimed.
as to "colin" -- the lamest thing a person can do in a comment thread is to do as colin has... to complain that all you do is complain and offer no alternative, while...
...wait...
...no, he's working on it...
...no seriously, colin has...
...he is going to offer...
...his own "workable" alternative...
...if only we hold our breaths interminably, and die in the wait, while he laughs the idiot chuckle, thinking he "fooled" us.
I'm asserting your helplessness/uselessness. Not saying that you acknowledge it.
Oooh! You have pointed out that which has been admitted many times over. A brilliant strategy with which to argue. What is your encore? "How do we fix America?" "Why don't you vote for change?"
blawg?
Why always pick the same dummy to prove the pwogs are dummies? There's no argument she's a dummy, so why keep using her as an example?
I like Colin's argument--unless it's meant to defend pwog hypocrisy a little. Not to hump the host, but Ioz's explanation, not for this blog but for the topics he chooses to write about, seems un peu suspect.
As for solutions:
What about laying off the pot for a while? Some may emerge, on an individual level, having nothing to do with statism, a little more activist than the photographer who films the animals devouring each other for Discovery.
a little more activist than the photographer who films the animals devouring each other for Discovery.
I am pro-intervention on the part of the herd. The lions must be stopped. This aggression will not stand, man.
We need some better critics around here.
buahahahaha.
don't the destractor's have Senators to petition, grassroots to plant, and awareness to raise? please, how big of a distraction is a blog?
oooh shiny object! look away! look away!
There's no argument she's a dummy, so why keep using her as an example?
You're abso-tootly-ootly right, pwoggie. Why in the world would Ioz mine gold in a place where there's gold? That's just crazy! CRAZY, I tell you! Ioz must be hopped up on the goofballs!
I really don't know any liberals who are "surprised" at Yet Another Police Shooting.
Usually much more "outrage."
But I can't thank you enough for trying to lump us all up in a turdball of ignorance.
By the way, information=surprise. It's one of the foundations of mathematical information theory. That's the thing that gives us checksums.
Man, they came to the bait, but we forgot the traps. I blame you, Mr. Fun.
oh shit lol my bad.
I keep doing that. fuck! I suppose shooing them off is as easy as picking on them.
NEXT!
alansmithee said...
There's no argument she's a dummy, so why keep using her as an example?
Why in the world would Ioz mine gold in a place where there's gold?
OK. Good point. Can't fault it---- but don't call me pwoggie.
Mr Fundamental,
There are more things on heaven and earth etc. If a person had Senators to write, and grassroots to plant (what does this mean---did we safely make it past the Planting Trees in Israel Age?) they wouldn't be likely to be hanging around here. That doesn't mean everyone agrees with you and Ioz about everything. How do we know you're not Ioz, btw? The two of you look pretty much the same in the dark. If you don't kiss on the mouth either, how could anyone tell you two apart?
How do we know you're not Ioz, btw?
All of us reading don't know, and that's the fun. In the meantime, blaaawwwwwwg.
your local police are armed and dangerous
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