Thursday, October 23, 2008

Abstention at the Gates of Hell

It's just objectively true that there is no country in the world -- anywhere -- that threatens to attack and bomb other countries as routinely and blithely as the U.S. does. What rational leader wouldn't want to obtain nuclear weapons in a world where the "superpower" is run by people like Dan Coates and Chuck Robb who threaten to attack and bomb whatever countries they want? Even the Coats/Robb Op-Ed argues that Iranian proliferation would be so threatening to the U.S. because "the ability to quickly assemble a nuclear weapon would effectively give Iran a nuclear deterrent" -- in other words, they'd have the ability to deter a U.S. attack on their country, and we can't have that.

And then there is the supreme irony that Coats, Robb and their war-threatening comrades justify an attack on Iran by referencing U.N. Resolutions which Iran is putatively violating, even though Article 2 of the U.N. Charter explicitly provides that "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state." Yet Supremely Serious Bipartisan Leaders like Coats and Robb who shape U.S. foreign policy -- along with the rest of our political establishment -- routinely violate that provision more than any other country in the world, by constantly threatening to invade and bomb a whole roster of other nations.

-Greenwald
Credit where it's due. It cuts to the bone. And yet I once again have to point out how plainly these observations illustrate the futility of voting for Barack Obama--how they illustrate the violent complicity inherent in giving positive affirmation, a vote of moral legitimacy, to these monsters through exercise of your political franchise. I'll say it again: abstention is the honorable course of action.

Glenn Greenwald is almost infinitely more perceptive (certainly less willfully self-deluded) on these matters than the average Democratic partisan, less yet self-described internet "progressive", and I'm going to try to refrain from putting words in his mouth or checks on his ballot. Nonetheless, note how his observations typify a certain brand of left-libertarian thought that surveys the political scene, gets spooked by the Republican selection of Captain Ahab and Vaslav Nijinski for their presidential ticket, and decides to cast its lot with Obama despite all of the above-excerpted realizations. Obama's articulate, thoughtful, deliberatory demeanor are transmuted into moral rectitude, whitewashing the more troubling understanding that gnaws at the fringe of conscience: that of John McCain and Barack Obama, Obama is the greater monster.

Fresh off Ollie Stone's latest minimum opus, popular sentiment has once again seized on the idea of George W.'s life as a villanelle of Oedipal moments, but it's actually John McCain, jerk-off scion of a long line of martial notables, who embodies that miasma of Freudian failures and resentments. A failure in the military, he redeemed himself by enduring captivity, a feat of personal courage which he parlayed into a career as a more-corrupt-than-average politician. Possessing only a second-rate intellect and third-rate personality, he evaded damage from scandal by taking the easy high road under duress, admitting tangential wrongdoing, and expressing contrition. He cultivated the press merely by treating them as social equals when he was in their company--it really is that easy--and acquired his reputation for independence by taking some very mildly heterodox stands on issues of niggling importance: for instance, campaign finance reform. He sometimes claims that acceding to the fact of human impact on the global climate was a mark of brave political independence, but if that is so, then so is standing before the Congress of the United States and declaring that the sky is blue, the water wet.

But to the reluctant Obama supporters, the hedging anti-imperial types, McCain's bellicosity is the central issue, and they delude themselves into believing that the principle danger of a McCain administration is that he would "start more wars." That may or may not be true, and given the current political climate, any Republican administration, particularly his, would be hamstrung by the factional corridor politics of the American imperial court in Washington. The characteristic of McCain's jingoism to bear in mind, though, is that it actually represents the unintegrated, incoherent mindset and world-view of most ordinary Americans; an unstirred suspension of nationalist pride, cultural ignorance, fear of otherness, and flag-waving military pride. None of these is good, but they all occur simultaneously in minds prone to dissipation, inaction, indecision, and fear of consequence.

Obama, meanwhile, has all the marks of a man with an integrated and coherent view of the central issues to the maintenance of American hegemony, and he should be expected to pursue the project of American dominance with more focus and more success. I won't make bones about it. By the standard American-history-text measures, I expect an Obama presidency to be a successful one, surely at least a gradual reversion to mean. This will please his partisan supporters and most progressives (read: Restorationists), who will remain blithely oblivious to what precisely it represents: the more skillfully executed subjugation of other peoples to the needs of the American empire. To those who claim to oppose the American imperial project, that should be the focus of opposition.

The moral rubric is a simple one: carefully constructed, premeditated crimes are in almost every case worse than "crimes of passion." A man who kills his wife in a terrible, heated fight is bad; a man who plots to have her murdered, make it look like an accident, collect the insurance, and keep her wealth is worse. What frightens me is not the prospect of a failed, erratic President, but of a successful, steady one.

107 comments:

Mr.Fundamental said...

game on ! ! !

Ashley said...

Testify. Though I actually find O’Bama’s rhetoric on Pakistan leans toward the erratic and insane. Killing poor people in the desert is one thing, fucking around with a nuclear power without its express permission is a good way to embarrass them into having to do something about it. Or “lose” some goodies where they might be “found” by someone who will. The results could credibly be blamed on the chaotic fragmentation of the Soviet empire. The results of that might not be any fun for anyone.

Crusader AXE said...

I would like the bridges to not fall into rivers; the steamlines to not rupture the streets; the roads to not collapse; the poor to be fed; the homeless housed; the powerful confounded; the moneychangers driven from the temple; the food, water and medicines to be safe; the educational system to function in such a way as to produce educated people.

Is any of that going to happen? Probably not. Is any of it more likely to be attempted under McCain or under Obama? Are you kiddin' me, Willis? (I admit to have no idea as to who Willis is or why he would be kiddin' me?)

Call me ideologically impure; I would prefer someone like a JFK, looking at a really bad idea like invading Cuba, and saying fuck it as opposed to the jingoistic types. Obama may over intellectualize and may be waffling left and right to get votes; does anyone really think restraint in anyway is a McCain virtue? Particularly now?

Agi said...

O'Bama...the Irish can't be trusted.

TS said...

I'm voting Peace and Freedom this year just because I find it humorous.

cb said...

Have you considered that all Obama's Pakistan/Afghanistan rhetoric might just be to fool Republicans into voting for him and that once he's in, he'll be super against starting/prolonging insane military boondoggles?

stillnotking said...

Have you considered that all Obama's Pakistan/Afghanistan rhetoric might just be to fool Republicans into voting for him and that once he's in, he'll be super against starting/prolonging insane military boondoggles?

Sure, and maybe Rich Lowry is right that Obama is actually a Marxist. I have one word for you, cb. The word is "Kissinger".

By the way, isn't it funny how almost every conservative commentator utterly failed to grasp the clear and obvious meaning of Biden's supposed "gaffe"? It wasn't a gaffe, it was a plea for liberal support of foreign adventures & an attempt to preemptively marginalize any liberal support to the policies of the Obama administration. Conservatives seem to think Biden was preparing America for the next Bay of Pigs rather than the next Iraq.

stillnotking said...

an attempt to preemptively marginalize any liberal support

"...preemptively marginalize any liberal opposition", of course. Dammit.

Anonymous said...

how they illustrate the violent complicity inherent in giving positive affirmation, a vote of moral legitimacy, to these monsters through exercise of your political franchise. I'll say it again: abstention is the honorable course of action.

See, this is what's so amusingly bullshitty about it. Yinz here take "the vote" to be just as important as any pwoggie; only in your case, it's a chance to grandstand and make a hugely significant symbolic statement. But other than in your own minds, where the epic motion picture of Your Life!, starring you, is playing 24/7, it is not remotely important or significant.

Nobody gives a fuck if you stay home in November pinching your nose; they'll just elect themselves if no one else shows up. Personally, I prefer a sham of a democracy to different guerrilla groups in the capital overthrowing each other twice a week, YMMV.

Moreover, I would say that in a, shall we say, more rational sociopolitical climate, where we don't have to field candidates who believe in witchcraft or storming hospitals by force to "save" brain-dead patients, etc., there is a chance, however slight, that people might be more amenable to what you and I would find reasonable.

There's no rewards involved, and you certainly don't get to spunk all over yourself with delight every time you screech about how superior you are to all the benighted masses (see Smithee, Alan), but I find it preferable to the intellectual contortions required to make yourself believe that heightening the contradictions by electing the stupider/crazier guy is going to do anything better. I'm not even going to bother with the assertion that McCain is less dangerous because he's more erratic, or that his supporters are less dangerous because they're more easily distracted by shiny objects, other than to guess that your proctologist must have helped you reach far enough up your ass to pull that one out.

Of course I regret the countless victims of our foreign policy, but I also accept that I can't do shit about it myself (and other than abstaining from voting, it doesn't appear that you have any ideas born from a genuine concern for how you could help those foreign victims. Maybe financially supporting the coca farmers of Colombia in their struggle against the US and its Colombian puppets?) Maybe I can add my little effort to improving the lives of people here who would benefit from a less-insane administration. Not very inspiring, to be sure, but unlike most of the crowd here, I'm not interested in bragging about how righteous my course of non-action is.

Paul said...

Are you kiddin' me, Willis?

You may be the first to attempt to use a catch phrase from "Diff'rent Strokes" without knowing where it's from or even what the phrase is. Let us appreciate this moment.

Mr.Fundamental said...

See, this is what's so amusingly bullshitty about it. Yinz here take "the vote" to be just as important as any pwoggie; only in your case, it's a chance to grandstand and make a hugely significant symbolic statement. But other than in your own minds, where the epic motion picture of Your Life!, starring you, is playing 24/7, it is not remotely important or significant.

I think we're operating on their terms, yo. not ours.

otherwise, seriously, get yerself a blog. the un-self-awareness you present in your last sentence there is remarkably fresh. vivid, even. I'd read that all day.

bklawwggg g g g g g g.

AlanSmithee said...

Of course I regret the countless victims of our foreign policy...

That's might white of you.

IOZ said...

Yo brother, getting on a soapbox to gainsay grandstanding is, uh . . .

Your translation of a call for political absenteeism into a Marxist program to heighten the contradictions in the run-up to revolution is bush-league, psych-out stuff. I would've fucked you in the ass Saturday; I'll fuck you in the ass next Wednesday instead.

AlanSmithee said...

Butbutbut...McChange is .0001% less evil than McSame! Don't you get it IOZ? We need double-plus-good Empire managers!

stillnotking said...

you certainly don't get to spunk all over yourself with delight

So that's right out, then.

Mr.Fundamental said...

alansmithee did you get your fix for today?

stillnotking said...

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. IOZ writes that Obama is worse than McCain; a prog commenter chides him for not voting Obama, without taking the time to dispute the premise of the fucking argument.

Let me repeat this very slowly. Obama. Is worse. Than McCain. There, do you see how your little screed against "heightening the contradictions" suddenly makes no sense at all, Mr. Anonymous?

cb said...

eh, anon has something of a point, mostly because Arthur Silber doesn't allow comments, so this blog is the next best thing. His "Tale That Might Be Told" essay about how so few people voted that the government gave up and stopped governing was hilariously naive, even for an admitted fairy tale. He writes: "With less than a 10,000 vote margin, and with a total of only about two and a half million votes, what was such a victory worth?" And the answer is obvious. The winner declares a mandate and does whatever the fuck he can get away with.... Just like always.

Silber misses the important fact of the 2000 election, where the president LOST the popular vote and STILL claimed a mandate. Not voting is not the solution. And voting isn't the solution. SO... (deep breath) WHHHATTTTERWEGONNADYOOO???? And of course, the answer is nothing, we're fucked. The empire is crumbling as empires always do, your actions are like a stick before an avalanche. But saying "don't vote -- it's a waste of time" and saying "don't vote -- it's an IMPERATIVE MORAL OBLIGATION" are a little different. Specifically, the second one is far more annoying.

and saying: "getting on a soapbox to gainsay grandstanding..." in response to one comment -- Wow, dude. One comment does not a soapbox make. And have you ever heard this one: "Well, if you libruls claim to be so tolerant, how come you get pissed off when I say 'nigger'?"

and stillnotking -- I think "super" should have tipped you off

IOZ said...

cb, brother, you might want to reexamine your understanding of the saying "getting on a soapbox."

On the bit about "Specifically, the second one is far more annoying"--uh, yeah.

sirtagio said...

It's hard to see how or why any moral or other import can be attributed to any decision to vote one way or the other. Spooner laid this out way back in the day when he made it clear you couldn't infer consent or any idea of acceptance from the act of voting precisely because the act related to a coercive system. One might vote for some candidate over another simply as an act of self-defense to lessen the blows one expects to receive.

The fact that the vote actually neither has nor conveys any specific meaning is its "genius" from the standpoint of political control (an infiinitely malleable mandate of heaven), and the necessar corrolary of this fact is the vote's complete powerlessness to establish any sort of "accountability" for politicians.

The only way the vote could have significance is if someone was able to specifically organize and coordinate a large scale public protest vote. It's like street protests. What the hell does putting a large crowd in the DC Mall to oppose a war have to do with really ending war? Essentially nada. It's only the fact that someone has enough power to organize it - if it's large enough or otherwise dangerous enough - that poses any real threat to the government, making it sit up and take notice.

Mr.Fundamental said...

let's get this straight (doh): Obama is better for the Empire. McCain is worse for the Empire.

Dubya Boosh expanded and validated some things about the Empire. some would say at a large cost to the Empire. Obama will consolidate and obfuscate these things once more, bring the costs in alignment with the revenues, etc. Monsieur is not prescribing or advocating anything here. he's calling it what it is. what the fuck exactly are you attacking?

McCain could read the signs of his demise this election, thus the scrambling and "ugliness." (which may pay off, imo) Obama simply applied more lube for his insertion into our Royal Orifice.

Anonymous said...

Abstention? Watchoo talkin about, Willis?

Gary Coleman as a write in candidate!

Gary Coleman ran for governor of California during the recall. He was actually on the ballot!

Montag said...

Yinz here take "the vote" to be just as important as any pwoggie; only in your case, it's a chance to grandstand and make a hugely significant symbolic statement.

no. and no.

but we could look at it in the terms that many progressives, especially environmentalists, prescribe when they want to appeal to people's inner guilt: "what if everybody did [whatever thing you do]?"

in environmental terms: if everyone throws their milk jugs in the landfill we'll soon be buried! vs. if everyone recycled: utopia! (or some such.)

in electoral terms: if everybody votes anon 1:07's way we get the monster. if everybody abstains... well, according to anon 1:07 "they" will elect themselves and we will get, uh, monsterer...?

how should one vote if they wished ensure a situation obtains where different guerrilla groups in the capital overthrow each other twice a week? that might make for a less effective imperial machine.

Montag said...

also: is there anything to that Bradley Effect thing?

might there be an Obama Effect?

progressives when polled respond that they oppose the American imperial project, yet inside the voting booth they secretly vote for more effective imperial management.

paul from the clue-by-four said...

The dogged insistence with which people seem driven to misconstrue Silber's point (and to some extent IOZ's insofar as that lazy bastad can be said to have one) never ceases to amaze.

cb, does it help at all to see "A Tale That Might Be Told" as allegory, rather than a fairy tale?

The gaspingly simple point is that Empire continues because we support it, in large ways and small. In Silber's essay, voting is held up as symbolic of that support. Nobody really believes, in other words, that Empire will end with Chief Justice Roberts closing the Bible and saying "you're on your own."

Similarly driving slow in the fast lane, mocking the pwogs, and taking the coke and going back to Greensburg. It's like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all that heavenly glory.

IOZ said...

Hehe. Hey paul, you wanna come back to my place for a little consensual sodomy?

AlanSmithee said...

Naw. The self-righteous stink that covers yer average Obama voter tends to block things like moonlight, sunlight, rational thought, etc. I believe the technical term for it is "Smug."

Mr.Fundamental said...

Nobody really believes, in other words, that Empire will end with Chief Justice Roberts closing the Bible and saying "you're on your own."

you're right, but wouldn't it be something. . .

bonecrusher said...

You're watching the wrong movies, ioz. "Bank robbery" is preferable to "Bank robbery gone awry".

Mr.Fundamental said...

alansmithee could you please check your shoes? I think you've got dogshit on them.

Fledermaus said...

progressives when polled respond that they oppose the American imperial project, yet inside the voting booth they secretly vote for more effective imperial management.

I don't believe I've ever seen an "American Empire: thumbs up or down?" poll. But I think most of them just wish the US wasn't so obvious about it (that was Bush's greatest sin), so that they can go back to ignoring the problem and get back to trying to ban smoking in every bar in the US. Fuckers.

paul from the clue-by-four said...

nuh uh. I've seen what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass.

puppylander said...

vanity, vanity, all is vanity.

by its own terms, broadly applicable.

erm... excuse me. must get back to preening.

Mr.Fundamental said...

I would call it "artful pacification."

LAWL.

wait. what was I talking about? now I'm really confused.

IOZ said...

Me, I'm waiting for Chief Justice Roberts to whip his cock out and start reading from the Liber al vel Legis.

Wouldn't that be something.

Montag said...

I don't believe I've ever seen an "American Empire: thumbs up or down?" poll. ...

i haven't seen such a poll either. and i concede the point to Fledermaus.

when i really look at it, even my most liberalest friends and relatives aren't exactly 'amenable to what I would find reasonable.'

Mr.Fundamental said...

Me, I'm waiting for Chief Justice Roberts to whip his cock out and start reading from the Liber al vel Legis.

Wouldn't that be something.


I guess, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing.

Ashley said...

cb: Have you considered that all Obama's Pakistan/Afghanistan rhetoric might just be to fool Republicans into voting for him and that once he's in, he'll be super against starting/prolonging insane military boondoggles?

You're delightful! Are you available for adoption?

Anonymous said...

a prog commenter chides him for not voting Obama, without taking the time to dispute the premise of the fucking argument.

to what precisely it represents: the more skillfully executed subjugation of other peoples to the needs of the American empire.

If y'all have some sort of means of precisely calculating the pain, suffering, death and destruction engendered by an Obama presidency in comparison with that of a McCain/Bush presidency, please show your work. Otherwise, I'm going to go with the obvious alternative; namely, that it's supposed to be true because you say so, Q to tha E to tha muthafuckin' D.

Again, for the slow children: yer average Eschatonian might think that they're saving the world, redeeming Uncle Sam's soul by the casting of their vote. The mirror image of that is someone thinking that it is somehow a profound moral statement to refrain from voting while making painfully clear that they consider any other sort of political activity an equally quixotic waste of time.

Slow...clap.

I'm duly impressed by the fact that you consider "skillfully executed subjugation of other peoples to the needs of the American empire" to be the focus of opposition. Not so much by the fact that you scorn any attempt to do anything else whatsoever about it other than announcing your opposition to voting, which does nothing but make you feel good about your purity. I mean, if stroking yourself is all you're interested in, that's fine. But then please drop the facade of giving a shit about all the downtrodden of the world. If I wanted smug hypocritical moralizing, I'd go listen to a Christer preach.

Anonymous said...

"If I wanted smug hypocritical moralizing, I'd go listen to a Christer preach."

Or just read your own comments. Hell, I'm closer to your pov than I am to IOZ's, but you made your point the first time.


Donald

Agi said...

you know how everybody's into weirdness right now?

cb said...

cb, does it help at all to see "A Tale That Might Be Told" as allegory, rather than a fairy tale?
Actually, yes. That does help. However, it fails as allegory. Voting -- a task which most people barely spend any thought or energy on, and which does not put them at risk in any way -- is not an effective stand-in for all the large and small ways in which people "support" the government. Sure, you may be driving slow in the fast lane, but who paved that road? Who issued the title to that car?

And an allegory with bad symbols is a poor allegory (as is one, incidentally, whose literal interpretation is howlingly ridiculous). I did like your explanation better than any other I've seen though, so thanks for that.

ashley -- see my comment to stillnotking above (1:36). Unless you're counter-trolling me, in which case, well played.

Christopher said...

I mean, if stroking yourself is all you're interested in, that's fine. But then please drop the facade of giving a shit about all the downtrodden of the world.

Have you read this blog?

I don't know how much more explicit Mr. Ioz could be in saying that not voting doesn't accomplish anything. I don't understand this need some liberals have to come here and accuse this blog of doing what it explicitly says it does. It's like going to NRO and accusing them of being Republicans.

Me, I'm more of the Bonecrusher opinion on this one. Okay, maybe Clinton MkII will prolong the American Experiment for longer then Bush MkIII, but I can't help but look at Bush II and Clinton I and feel that Clinton's administration hurt fewer people.

Back in the early half of the decade, I never thought things would get this bad, because simple self-preservation would prevent it. I thought Bush would be reined in because he wouldn't want to destroy the Republican image, that the Republicans would rein him in because they wouldn't want their image destroyed, and that Congress in general would rein him in because they wouldn't want him to take away their own power.

Maybe I'm too gunshy, but I'm now really wary of the argument that political reality will hobble the President.

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me much if the President strangled a kitten on live TV and got away with it.

Anonymous said...

lol @ the guy who's only here pinching a turd off in the punch bowl because Silber ain't got hisself a comment section where he can strut about. You sure showed him!

Hey dudes, let's go to a LaRouche rally and start bitching about Nader!

Anonymous said...

And by LaRouche rally, I mean homeless shelter, natch.

AlanSmithee said...

I mean, if stroking yourself is all you're interested in, that's fine.

Oh pwoggie please! You're starting to sound like mr funnymental.

Christopher M. said...

Let me repeat this very slowly. Obama. Is worse. Than McCain.

Um, no. IOZ has been making his "Obama is better, which actually makes him worse!" argument for a while now. That makes him consistent; it doesn't make him convincing. It's a standard "heighten the contradictions" argument, which stopped swaying me a long while ago; you can heighten the contradictions as much as you want, put crazier and crazier right-wing fucks in charge, and it really doesn't seem to matter. Reagan becomes Clinton and Clinton becomes Bush and Bush becomes McCain, and the empire, stupider and eviller and more vicious, lurches sluggishly on.

To the extent that an Obama victory means slightly fewer foreigners being pointlessly murdered, slightly tighter regulations on corporate America, and slightly better environmental policy (and thus a few extra years before the climate-induced extinction of the species), I'll take him over McCain in a heartbeat. This is not an enthusiastic endorsement; I'm not voting for Obama, and I'm not haranguing anyone who chooses not to vote for him (or to not vote at all). But I expect at the end of the day a hypothetical Obama presidency means fewer dead people than a hypothetical McCain presidency, and I don't see any reason to root for more dead people, since I doubt it's going to lead to the Birth Pangs of Revolution.

IOZ said...

You know, the brain is the largest erogenous zone.

Mr.Fundamental said...

last I saw anon@4:50, he (the royal he) was leavin the theatre from that latest Michael Moore flick, hatin him some America; and now here he is, turned all about, defending the American status quo. 1 million deaths versus 5 million; 1 million dollars pumped into the war on drugs versus 5 million. so on and so forth. numbers he shouts! I want numbers! ladies and gents, step back, give him some room, for today is anon@4:50's first real good view of his own ass!

weird.

this blog is pretty effective.

alansmithee, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. it gets old quick, no?

IOZ said...

It's true, Mr. Fun, that I have entirely by accident created the most usefully useless blog ever. I am the categorical imperative of bloggery, pure form and essence.

Motherfuckers can't step to dis.

mistah charley, ph.d. said...

The revised edition of my homage to Lewis Carroll's The Mad Gardener's Song:

She thought she saw a candidate
Who'd put an end to war.
She looked again, and found it was
The Same Game as Before.
"If that's the way it goes," she said,
"Then what is voting for?"


But possibly Obama is a lying peacenik, as so many hope, rather than the War Party candidate he appears (to those of us with limited perception).

Let us suppose Obama is dedicated to gaining power by any means necessary. Clearly, the road to the White House is barred to anyone who does not welcome the embrace of the MICFiC (military industrial congressional financial corporate media complex). Let us reduce our occupation force in Iraq, says Barack - so we can put more boots on the ground with guns in their hands pointed at the inhabitants of Afghanistan.

But although Obama says things like this with apparent sincerity, it's not what he really means to do, goes the argument. Instead, he is really a Christian - not a Christianist, like Gov. Palin, but someone who tries to live according to the teachings of Jesus. You've heard Matthew 10:16, though you may not be able to call up the quote from the citation. "Be as harmless as doves, but as sneaky as snakes" is my own paraphrase - the King James Version, which some believe is what Jesus would have said, if English had been invented at the time, puts it "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

It may be that Barack is a sheep (or a Shepherd) in wolves' clothing (to invert another of Jesus's sayings).

As Mark Twain said, "Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest."

Blessed are the cheesemakers (which includes all those involved in the production and distribution of dairy products in general).

Anonymous said...

"Christopher M. said...
Let me repeat this very slowly. Obama. Is worse. Than McCain.

Um, no. IOZ has been making his "Obama is better, which actually makes him worse!" argument for a while now. That makes him consistent; it doesn't make him convincing. It's a standard "heighten the contradictions" argument, which stopped swaying me a long while ago; you can heighten the contradictions as much as you want, put crazier and crazier right-wing fucks in charge, and it really doesn't seem to matter. Reagan becomes Clinton and Clinton becomes Bush and Bush becomes McCain, and the empire, stupider and eviller and more vicious, lurches sluggishly on.

To the extent that an Obama victory means slightly fewer foreigners being pointlessly murdered, slightly tighter regulations on corporate America, and slightly better environmental policy (and thus a few extra years before the climate-induced extinction of the species), I'll take him over McCain in a heartbeat. This is not an enthusiastic endorsement; I'm not voting for Obama, and I'm not haranguing anyone who chooses not to vote for him (or to not vote at all). But I expect at the end of the day a hypothetical Obama presidency means fewer dead people than a hypothetical McCain presidency, and I don't see any reason to root for more dead people, since I doubt it's going to lead to the Birth Pangs of Revolution."

In the parlance of our times, nigga is you trippin? Obama has promised to DOUBLE DOWN IN AFGHANISTAN, fuck with the Pakis more and obliterate Iran if'n they should try and get em some nukes to stop us from fucking them raw at our own discretion. How, praytell, does that lead to fewer dead brown folks, dogg? His whole foreign policy amounts to killing the "right" brown people, instead of all them eggs we accidentally broke in Iraq (ps sorry Iraqis! Our bad!). His chief foreign policy adviser thinks the only thing we did wrong in Nam was leaving. But hey, at least he didn't sing about bombing Iran, eh? He just emphatically said he would nuke the fuck out of them if they looked at us or our little bro Israel funny. That's soooo much better.

Christ, you people amaze me.

Phillip Allen said...

Not voting is not the solution. And voting isn't the solution. SO... (deep breath) WHHHATTTTERWEGONNADYOOO???? And of course, the answer is nothing, we're fucked. The empire is crumbling as empires always do, your actions are like a stick before an avalanche.

One can, in whatever small way, facilitate that crumbling. Monkeywrench the property, the authority, and the organs of empire in whatever way is within one's capability. The point is not to stand in the way of the collapse, but to hasten the day.

Montag said...

you scorn any attempt to do anything else whatsoever about it

like what? tax evasion? violent revolution? i'd rather stay out of the gulag. maybe IOZ has an idea... hey, IOZ, help a buddy out, would ya? WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

Mr.Fundamental said...

boofuckingyah! this is troll paradise. we're the trolls trollers. did you have a usenet account?


buahahahahHAHAHAHAHA>?metatypOA!!1!

my only worry is that we won't be entertaining enough to keep Monsieur from calling it quits. but I mean, INTERNET RULEZ MY WORLD. so we've got that going for us.

Agi said...

mr. fundamental: It's all about saving the lives of that 4 million, ok?

Anonymous said...

abstention is the honorable course of action.

It may be dishonerable to vote for a candidate whom you believe to be grotesque but Obama and McCain are not the only candidates. Would you consider voting for anyone else?

cemmcs

Agi said...

Why yes, cemmcs.

How about voting for Gus Hall?!?

TGGP said...

I say worse is not better, worse is worse. If Obama's imperialism is more efficient it might result in lower taxes and cheaper oil (relative to boondoggle imperialism rather than Swiss-style isolationism). I also hope the Chinese conquer enough of the third world that it scares American pols off attempts at nation building.

Agi said...

Gus Hall believes that worse is better.

Suck on this!

Montag said...

How about voting for Gus Hall?!?

or Eugene Debs!

Leonard said...

abstention is the honorable course of action.

Not "the". "A" (or maybe "an").

While abstaining leaves you morally blameless for the inevitable shitty actions of our new Decider, it is not a strategy that has any promise whatsoever as mass resistance. If 50% of the voters fail to vote or abstain, the political class interprets that as compliance. All it does is make them wring their hands a little, and try to brainwash people that voting is an all-important civic duty, the correct modern form of eucharist. If 90% abstain, we get the same result. If 99% abstain, we get the same result.

Whereas, going to the polls and voting for a fringe candidate that you believe will actually improve things -- not just "make them worse slower"; improve -- is a strategy which, if adopted by even a large minority, would very quickly result political change. It is in these grounds that I normally vote for a Libertarian, and will again this year, even though this time the guy's a tool.

Now do I believe that the masses, or even a minority, will vote as I do because I do? Of course not -- they are drugged to the gills with the blue pill. But, it is nonetheless a strategy that, when a sufficiently harsh economic shock actually knocks away the drugs for a little while, will be our way out of this abyss the State has dragged us down into. Our duty right now, still in normal times, is to do what intellectuals do -- to lay the intellectual foundation for what happens next. What happens next can only be made possible by political trauma on a scale that few alive now remember. But it will happen, eventually, and what happens then is what we need to be thinking about and preparing for.

alansmithee said...

What happens next can only be made possible by political trauma on a scale that few alive now remember.

Awww. You're taking all the fun out of it for Mr. Fun!

LA Confidential Pantload said...

Did IOZ make a stealth endorsement for the Thelemite Party upthread?

paul from the clue-by-four said...

Our duty right now, still in normal times, is to do what intellectuals do -- to lay the intellectual foundation for what happens next

...like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie...

Anonymous said...

Say what you will about the tenets of the Democratic Party, at least it's an ethos!

puppylander said...

leo nails it.

stillnotking said...

IOZ has been making his "Obama is better, which actually makes him worse!" argument for a while now.

He said nothing of the kind. I recommend you reread the post, looking up words in the dictionary as needed.

IOZ said...

Only La Confidential Pantload is paying attention, obviously.

Cüneyt said...

Oh Leonard, that is adorable. Advocating a Libertarian vote as holding real promise, decrying the rest of the country as staggering through an opium dream. Goodness, it'd break some hearts if we realized that people might actually be making these decisions (albeit ones we might disagree with) consciously. And that "one day there'll be an apocalypse and they'll all come crying to us" bit? Jesus Christ, man, stick to the Ayn Rand readings, because I just saw Greenspan acknowledge that his rightwing utopianism was, and is, bullshit. Ah well. You know what? Keep that hope, man. We've all got to have some delusions in hard times.

I don't dig IOZ's weaker-is-better premise, but then I don't think that a stupid president is necessarily less damaging than a smart one. The underlings do most of the work, anyway; the front goose isn't the leader, folks, he's just the one who's reducing drag for the others--as much used as user. And if eight years of incompetence haven't been enough to persuade you, let me remind you that competence in electoral candidates is tautological. If McCain were to win, he would be the more competent. If Obama wins, likewise.

The election is little more than a mock battle from the viewpoint of the organizations involved. It concerns the marshaling of resources and the development of group discipline. If you've won, however you've won, you've proven your superiority. Not necessarily to my tastes, but there it is. So this talk of Obama making the state run more smoothly, while not necessarily unfair (the Dems seem to agree with you, after all), is forgetting that his competency's being tested right now. And if you grant me that point, then it boils down to whoever wins being the worst candidate? Excuse me?

But hey, who knows? Maybe the impossible will happen. I mean, the Libertarians got almost a million people to vote for them in 1980 and, despite a consistent history of third party success coming from surges of political support and charismatic figures, the slow-but-steady model might actually net you, well, a god-damned thing.

la Rana said...

"consistent history of third party success"

Ah, well now we've located the septic heart of that proposal. I've said it a gagillion times, and I'll say it again: single member district plurality voting (esp. in a high immigration, low homogeneity society) will always lead to two parties. Look it up, pack your bags, and move to Florida.

Cüneyt said...

Oh, God, did you think I was making a proposal? I apologize for not being clearer. I meant to do nothing of the sort.

la Rana said...

It was a drive-by-drowning. You were just collateral damage.

IOZ said...

la rana!

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Montag said...

What tied the room together?

IOZ said...

With that money you can buy any number of rugs that don't have sentimental value to me.

Leonard said...

cuneyt: Advocating a Libertarian vote as holding real promise...

False. Voting means almost nothing. Voting for a minor party is a strategy, not for electoral change, but for ideological change. These are different things.

decrying the rest of the country as staggering through an opium dream.

Well, at least you got that right. It's an analogy, though, in case you're too dense to understand such usage without it being noted overtly.

it'd break some hearts if we realized that people might actually be making these decisions (albeit ones we might disagree with) consciously.

One can be both conscious, and deluded. Look at us: I'm sure I am conscious and I am pretty sure about you. So either you are deluded, or I am.

One can also be conscious, and simply wrong. Socialism, as an example, is a terrifically bad idea. Yet it is openly advocated by many people who think it is a good idea. Whether this requires delusion is hard to say, but it doesn't really matter.


And that "one day there'll be an apocalypse and they'll all come crying to us" bit? Jesus Christ, man, stick to the Ayn Rand readings, because I just saw Greenspan acknowledge that his rightwing utopianism was, and is, bullshit.

(1) Greenspan's acknowledgements, whatever they might be, are meaningless here. Free-associate much?

(2) Rand is meaningless here, as well. I don't read her, have not read her since university. Ad hom much?

(3) As for "they'll all come crying to us", certainly not if we don't exist. And not if we do not present a clear and accurate criticism of the crisis, with a clear view of what to do. We have that, right now, glibs like Megan McArdle notwithstanding. This particular crisis is not the one that will bring down the USA, but we'll have another one in ~20 years that might.

(4) If you believe that the USA can be fundamentally reformed in an overall positive way without a serious crisis, then say so. If not, shut the fuck up about "apocalyse". Your words, not mine.


We've all got to have some delusions in hard times.

The royal we. Nice.

Coldtype said...

"One can also be conscious, and simply wrong. Socialism, as an example, is a terrifically bad idea. Yet it is openly advocated by many people who think it is a good idea. Whether this requires delusion is hard to say, but it doesn't really matter"

What a fascinating assertion given how well capitalism has worked out to date.

Anonymous said...

like what? tax evasion? violent revolution? i'd rather stay out of the gulag. maybe IOZ has an idea... hey, IOZ, help a buddy out, would ya? WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

Really? I mean, really? That's all you can think of as an alternative? Making nailbombs in your garage or withholding taxes? Jesus Aitch, you are one dumb motherfucker.

Anonymous said...

Have you read this blog?

I don't know how much more explicit Mr. Ioz could be in saying that not voting doesn't accomplish anything.


Oh, okay. I could have sworn he was just going on in this very post about how abstaining from voting is a moral obligation.

Which is what I'm laughing at him for.

Do I need to draw a picture?

la Rana said...

Are you asthmatic, Anon? Cuz you keep running outta breath before you reach the "therefore.."

Alaya said...

Could something be both effectively useless AND the only honorable course of action?

Whether our actions "matter" depends on the scale against which we measure them. Whence cometh this idea that the utilitarian rubric of group action, of getting "something done" is the only legitimate frame?

IOZ isn't a nihilist, all his protestations to the contrary. He's mostly a hedonist, as far as I can tell, which means that his frame is about as small as it can get (short of chatting with his mitochondria). Do you realize that everyone you know someday will die? But it doesn't follow that it means nothing to stop a small child from burning his hand on a stove top, that it means nothing to refuse to give the marginal, insignificant imprimatur of legitimacy to a candidate who will probably cause more misery and suffering than even his mentally unstable opponent.

Of course it doesn't accomplish anything. Hell, take a long enough view, and gamma ray bursts don't accomplish anything.

Yet I'd say it matters.

AlanSmithee said...

Well, sure. On a long enough time frame, everyone's life expectancy drops to zero. But that still doesn't get mr funnymental his recipe. Have a heart, IOZ! The poor boy...

IOZ said...

That is lovely, alaya.

Montag said...

you are one dumb motherfucker.

dude, wtf?

Cüneyt said...

Oh... It was an analogy. I thought it was a staggering statement of arrogance, describing the country as a bunch of zombies while proposing one's own faith as the one and the true. Nice way to miss a point.

And Leonard, it's not the utility of crisis that troubles me. It's how much you utopians hope to capitalize on it that troubles me. And your seldom flagging belief that, should you put your ducks in a row before the storm, you'll be able to make a clean sweep afterward. Well, you twit, that's the whole point of a national dark age. You lose your shit. Your arrangements don't go through. It's a conflagration. There'll be madness.

Ditch the post-apocalyptic fantasy. You're not going to stride out of the desert and install the one true philosophy. And even if you could, libertarianism would inevitably crumble, as all ideologies crumble, grow old, out of touch, aching for death. And then they're replaced by something equally transitory.

Come up with little logical dichotomies all you want. You say you're conscious. I say you're conscious. Maybe you're deluded, maybe I am, maybe we both are. Who knows? But then, I'm not the one going online saying that I'm going to lay groundwork for the days following Armageddon. And I'm not the one saying that the rest of the country has taken the "blue pill" and has switched itself off to my pure revelation.

As you make no effort to refute it, I'll consider my point granted. You're waiting for the world to crash down so that you can prove to everyone else that you had it right. What makes you any different from an authoritarian Marxist? Or St. Augustine? Evangelical capitalism. That's exactly what we need.

Cüneyt said...

Ah, shit. I also forgot to ask why you think only you will wake up after the apocalypse. I mean, do you see the collapse as some purifying event from which only the righteous and wise will awake?

Conservatism and liberalism, which is to say the American branches of market liberalism, are largely bankrupt, sure, but they also represent legitimate (if distasteful to some of us) cultural movements. Frivolous, maybe, foolish, maybe, but legitimate. And if libertarians were to take over, like any other ideologues, they'd be co-opted as they took control, they'd see regionalism develop, they'd see ideological schism emerge... I just don't get your eschaton, that's all.

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