The Lieberman thing is pressing the predictable buttons out in Netrootsia, with smarter Donks feigning shock and dumber ones actually feeling it, as the Governing Class shows itself more inclined to embrace and forgive one of its own than to cater to impotent bloggers who will raise money and vote for whomever they're told to vote for regardless. Uh, what Digby says:
I think it's also pretty clear that if anyone thought there would be any investigations into Bush administration atrocities or judiciary committee hearings into the abuses of the executive branch, they can forget it.Ya think? Perhaps this was meant as parody, because I find it difficult to imagine any breathing human being seriously entertaining the idea that Barack Obama's first order of executive business would be to strip himself of powers accrued to the office during the previous administration.
I suppose I'll never stop repeating it: the "atrocities" of the Bush administration were atrocities perpetrated by America for years, for decades. That they were practiced with less circumspection, and by a factional opponent against whom some electoral purchase might be gained--these are the only reasons todays putative liberals care. You can imagine when some of these "atrocities" are shown to have roots in the Clinton administration, in the Carter administration, under Kennedy, back to Wilson . . . well, Smears! Right Wing Noise Machine! Media!
President Obama will avail himself of the full powers available to him. He'll make placatory cosmetic changes--"closing Guantanamo"--to please his base, but does anyone think he's going to stop running black ops in Pakistan, that he's going to repudiate his bellicose posture toward Iran, that he's going to actually leave Iraq, as opposed to drawing down and retreating to heavily-fortified garrisons from which we might "respond to the contingencies in the region"? Hell, of course they're letting Lieberman stay. They're on the same side.
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This guy has a terrific post to calm all those who want to pound a stake in Joe's heart.
http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2008/11/barack-obama-and-harry-reid.html
Enjoy
W4B
what are we talking about? is Manny coming back to Boston?
Dear IOZ. Speaking as a fan, where you are going with this? Of course, in a sense it's true that Obama is pretty much a smarter Bush since he supports the theory and practice of American hegemony, and using the traditional means of sustaining that hegemony, but so what? Is there some other side you want us follow besides Obama, some possible head of the American empire who would take a different tack?
The office carries with it the obligation to pursue US strategic policies that have been adopted by our representative government. Clearly, Obama could not simply abandon those goals -- absolute domination in strategic weaponry, control of shipping, particularly in the Middle East, a policy of intervening militarily in small to medium sized countries when it seems appropriate, etc -- without making the case to the country that he should. And Obama did not attempt to make such a case; in fact, he presented himself as just asbellicose in support of Israel and against Islamic militants as McCain.
Someone is clearly not privy to all the new shit, but that's okay, man. That's what you pay me for.
I'm concerned about all the injuries affecting the Arsenal.
and...will the Steelers make the playoffs?
W4B,
The premises of that essay are deeply fucked. Obama endorsed Lieberman against the situationally more pliable and nominally more "progressive" Lamont. There's no making the best of a bad situation going on. There's no clever maneuvering to get Lieberman defanged. They're on the same side, occasional dog and pony shows notwithstanding.
It takes a keen eye for the obvious to detect they're all on the same side but how is Obama smarter than Bush?
You think the party favors ObamaCo will be getting are going to match those BushCo is leaving with?
heh, this is the first stupid thing I've read on this blog.
You think the "atrocities" people are yelling about are the black ops in Pak, the bellicose posture toward Iran, and the continued occupatio of Iraq?
You haven't been paying close enough attention.
I agree Obama isn't going to reverse all the new Unitary Exec powers. But you say Leiberman and Obama are on the same side. You confuse dismissiveness with comity.
Rural folk cling to god and guns; city folk cling to cynicism, dismissing the prospects of any ethics in government. Two sides of the same coin, my Obie friend.
I'm not a--ah, fuck it, just stay
away from my fucking lady friend,
man.
baby steps we can believe in.
W4B,
Jubal,
That's why I read IOZ, to temper my angry but optimistic side with a little clear-eyed cynicism.
But Joe's balls in a vise is a helluva image, you have to admit.
It just screams 'Justice'.
Not only will Lieberman stay with the Dems, not only will he keep his chairmanship, but the vast majority of the netroots won't give a fuck about this a year from now, any more than they currently give a fuck about FISA surveillance. Once the party line is established - and the party line is that Lieberman's okay with us - Markos Moulitsas and Digby and Yglesias and the rest will suck it up and move on to the next issue their party doesn't care about, until they get the message once again and the cycle repeats itself.
Is Lieberman staying the continuation of pro torture policy?
A few of us out here in Liberal Land (and I live in Oklahoma!) are actually cognizant that US foreign policy has been a murderous enterprise for many many decades, under presidents D and R.
The fact that no true precedent exists for prosecuting wrong doing of the international war criminal kind at the presidential level doesn't mean we should never start. That the current president has left a bloody paper trail a billion miles long only makes the task easier, should the relevant authorities decide to pursue it, either in our own courts, Congress, or the ICC.
Alas, Speaker Pelosi said it all "Impeachment is off the table." Necessarily, anything else will also be off the table, even after the fact of the Bush administration.
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