Journalistic pretensions to dispassion and disinterest aside, the authorial voice in articles like this one about Hezbollah--at least in American publications--habitually reveals a depraved sort of bewilderment, a vague sense of mystification. This is not so much a failure to apprehend the Other as it is a failure of self-reflection. If you were to suggest to the reporter that his own education was indoctrination, he would likewise be mildly incredulous. Americans learn readin' writin' 'rithematic, not Koranic recitation and veneration of the Ayatollah Khomeini.
Of course, I hardly approve of the religious and millenarian aspects of such parochial education, but then again, I disapprove of glorifying bloody Andrew Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt and pretending that the United States won the Second World War with a little help from the plucky Brits. Hezbollah's success at attracting young people (in a nation and region swarming with youth) isn't hard to fathom: they provide a network of social support that far outstrips anything corrupt, subverted national governments are able to provide; they provide an appealing narrative of national rebirth, cultural unity, and social self-reliance. No wonder the movement is so popular.
Friday, November 21, 2008
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And besides, what alternative "appealling narrative[s)", or philosophies or religions do the swarming youths have to look to besides Hezbollah's?
American religio-democratic propaganda?
Western enlightenment rationalism?
Liberty, fraternity, etc.?
Wicka?
I reckon them swarming youths is doing none other than going with those that brung 'em.
If we really wanted to control the poor fucks, we'd airlift a few tons of primo and all the pieces the DEA confiscated from poor Cheech's website warehouse.
So fucking true! Didn't the Brits do that to the Chinks?
Let's face it, IOZ---the sum and substance of that reporter's crippling "indoctrination" is that lofty "authorial voice" to which you viscerally object. Never mind an irrelevant, tiresome inquiry into the factual accuracy of his characterization of Hezbollah---at the end of the day his tone was too full of inaesthetic certitude for us hipster relativists.
Let's get Reporter Worth a practice assignment to improve his delivery for the future---perhaps a five-hundred word summary of that recent Somali soccer-stadium stoning of a thirteen year-old gang-rape victim for adultery, but this time without the all the strident cultural bigotry implicit in a Western straight-news rendering. I know I'll enjoy my Sunday Times-and-latte experience a good sight more.
Who said "crippling"? And since when has Hezbollah been putting on stonings in Somalia? I imagine you must do a lot of screaming at the Cubs to convert on third down.
they provide an appealing narrative of national rebirth, cultural unity, and social self-reliance
is that about hezbollah or the yeswecannites?
IOZ---
I said "crippling", as a facetious riff on your own overheated use of "indoctrination".
And gosh yes, thanks for the crucial clarification that Hezbollah doesn't operate in Somalia. Orthodox Muslim observance resulting in organized murder of civilians in the name of the Prophet and the Law is a somewhat striking commonality nevertheless. That's the case even if the trendy pose for left-leaning Western educateds in recent years has been to cast one of the otherwise sneered-upon monotheisms, Islam, and its adherents, as so paralyzingly ineffable and byzantine, as possesed of such "mystification" (recall that word?), as to render any outsider's description---non-obeisant description, that is---axiomatically specious, ill-informed, or bigoted. How Dare We Presume We Have Standing To Comment On Their Irrational Mass-Murders In Adddition To Our Own?
I imagine you must do a lot of screaming at your left testicle to follow your right testicle's lead.....
Dude, we murder civilians in the name of the Law here too. The US does have the highest rate of penal executions in the world. Somalis stone rape victims and Americans execute retards. There's no there there. You are, in any case, hopelessly confusing Said's thesis from Orientalism with a defense of Islam.
You may wish to reread the post and try to calm that perfervidity you got goin' on. It isn't an embrace of Hezbollah, nor an audit of Islamic unbridgeable otherness. Who Is IOZ? is hardly the Subaltern group, yo. I'm just pointing out that Hezbollah provides services, education, and direction to otherwise disaffected youth, and that our constant hand-wringing about hearts and minds and Wars of Civilization might pause and consider that they are not so different, in this regard, after all . . .
Your line about testicles doesn't make sense, but I think I take your meaning, and I'm sorry, but I'm actually seeing someone right now.
Dude, I know we "murder in the name of the law here too"---that's why I wrote "In Addition To Our Own", above.
And dude, I also realize "they are not so different in this regard, after all". Hence I wondered pointedly on this thread why you're squealing cultural bigotry at Times Reporter Worth's expense for having the temerity to subject Middle Eastern Muslim youth to the straightforward analysis which fanatically murderous thugs of any stripe deserve. You "Bad America" types are supposed to be about similar treatment for the similarly situated, in your pious battle against American exceptionalism, but for some reason or another you end up giving non-American examples the very same sort of "how easily can a leopard change its spots" contextualizing you otherwise decry.
Finally, the testicles line made perfectly good sense, but I'll be happy to spell it out for you (well, for your disingenuous pose). You made the Cubs 'n football crack to denote an incomprehending non sequitur; I replied with the two testicles crack to denote distinctions without difference. Any questions?
"They provide a network of social support that far outstrips anything corrupt, subverted national governments are able to provide; they provide an appealing narrative of national rebirth, cultural unity, and social self-reliance. No wonder the movement is so popular."
Also the justification for the BNP and the KKK, although the latter is little more an elk's club with flamboyant costumes.
Fanatically murderous thugs! We must be talking about some other bunch, because I seem to recall war deaths going 10-1 Lebanon-Isreal in '06. Disapproving of Islam is your prerogative; I do as well, though for what I presume to be different reasons. But pretending that it's uniquely murderous, and that its fictional unique murderousness grows directly from its religious affiliation, is a fool's game. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Khemer Rouge. You know whaddumsayin? The whole Bernie Lewis thing is tired.
And to non'mous: Yes! But "justification" is the wrong word.
"religious affiliation" was, uh, weirdly redundant, huh.
calmer that you are.
"than"
fuck.
You "Bad America" types are supposed to be about similar treatment for the similarly situated, in your pious battle against American exceptionalism, but for some reason or another you end up giving non-American examples the very same sort of "how easily can a leopard change its spots" contextualizing you otherwise decry.
we are exceptional! at imprisoning people. yay! that was easy.
The US does have the highest rate of penal executions in the world.
Just to throw it out and not to defend the US b/c it can't be done: China does not report on this. Many, including me, believe they have much higher numbers than we do.
You "Bad America" types
Holy Strawman, Batman, generalize much? I always get such a kick out of you "Good America" types when you o on about that... don't you remember that whole mote vs. beam business?
IOZ iz all like "American exceptionalism is a lie and tribalist impulses exaggerate the extent to which the other does bad things" and Inkburrow iz all like "yeah, well all you talk about is that American ain't that great and that the murderous non-American's aren't all that bad."
I iz all like this must be oneathose discources on meaning or sumtin'.
They're gonna kill that poor woman, they're gonna kill that poor woman.
whaddarewegonnadewww!?!? quick, somebody write something in a newspaper.
Mr. Fundament---
Can you clarify the takeaway from that high number of imprisoned Americans, assuming you've accounted for all variables? The higher it is, the less likely that those imprisoned actually deserve it? The higher it is, the more likely that everyone else deserves at least the same, so the whole enterprise is corrupt? The higher it is, the better it shows America to be, because she protects her citizens in a way other countries would love to but can't afford?
Paul From:
I sometimes do generalize, yes, typically about concepts or phenomena of general occurrence and application; sometimes for rhetorical purposes. What of it? Are you saying "Blame America First" or "Most" types don't exist, or that IOZ isn't one? Feel free to generalize, or synthesize, if you like.
Yeah, the Mote and Beam injunction---well met. If I read you correctly, the takeaway there is that if there's a mote, beam, or something in between in both persons' eyes, it's presumptuous for either of them to even raise the subject in the first place.
No? So it's case-by-case analysis after all, starting in this thread anyway with IOZ's principled objection to a Westerner's insultingly candid depiction of Hezbollah? Why did you post here again?
Wait, principled? Which blog is this? I have so many windows open, I get lost sometimes...
IOZ---
Yes, Some Buncha Thugs! Muslim civilians do tend to die in droves during Arab-Israeli conflicts, though for different reasons than Israeli civilians die. The latter die when a Muslim suicide bomber seeks them out in a restaurant or schoolbus. All-too many of those Lebanese civilians you cited, on the other hand, died when Our Muslim Hero Fighters sought them out as human shields and propaganda martyrs, willing or otherwise. As we've learned, since Nasser these folks have eschewed the conventional battlefield.
I'm going to assume you're aware at some level that the Khmer Rouge precedent of virulently anti-religious mass-murderers has limited relevance to the auspices and inspiration for Muslim mass-murderers. Nor may we thereby conclude, as a function of ethics or of distributive logic, "See--anti-religionists have done analagously naughty things too, so we may thereby discount the influence of religion here. The entire inquiry is moot."
Finally, getting concrete again---those pesky Current Facts---based on my own research, anyway, the Khmer Rouge is rather less likely than Hezbollah to bring about hundreds or thousands of civilian deaths over the next few years. Come to think of it, this might have been the part of the reason for Worth's untrendily straightforward and unoriginal feature on Hezbollah.
Ah, unoriginal like poor old "tired" Bernard Lewis---doesn't he know that we cognoscenti stay fully invested in New Shampoo Technology even if the only thing that ever changes in the ingredients is the fragrance? I know I for one looked down on those benighted Werner Erhard ESTers once the Tony Robbins NLPers hit the scene....
Paul From---
It's becoming apparent that it probably doesn't matter what blog you're on, or what windows you have open---so long as your paw is safely wrapped around your eel. Ya wanna play Sonic the Hedgehog later?
nomnomnomnom. yeah man, America is great. could you please pass the salt? nomnomnomnomnom.porn.nomnomnomnomnomnom.
that was easy!
blawg!
Are they gonna hurt us, Walter?
No Donny, these men are, uh.
As we've learned, since Nasser these folks have eschewed the conventional battlefield.
Oh, fuck me. Nasser? What a revealing example to chose... Nasser "eschewed the conventional battlefield" by getting invaded by Israel as part of a plot involving the UK and France to seize control of the Suez canal. Yeah, it was all his fault, the bastard.
Dunc---
I think you mean, "f*** Israel", don't you? It's what all the left-leaning cognoscenti say, along with "F*** the West". Bad U.K. and France, re Suez---the Egyptians would have built it themselves in a year or two (just as North American indigenes would have managed the rudiments of a written language by the year 2500 or so). Ah, the anxiety of influence turns reflex resentment of the last half-millenium of Western tradition and prominence into a badge of honor, a mark of Independence and Authenticity. Well, that or stultifying conformity....
Maybe I should have said "AFTER Nasser", which is what I meant by "since". The great general obviously did not eschew the conventional battlefield, but instead came to wish he had, after the Pan-Arab military pretensions he'd inherited were finally laid to rest by grossly outnumbered but markedly superior Israeli forces. That's when plucky death-to-Irsael Muslims turned to that brand of "poor" man's warfare, organized terrorism, which has captured the admiration and sympathy of Western progressives ever since (and untold billions in foreign aid and Middle Eastern oil money). Cry, the beloved country....
Yeah, Walter, what's your point?
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