In my family, Christmas has always represented drinking until all hours at an uncle's Christmas Eve party, then drinking bloody marys and eating chopped liver while the young cousins open presents at our grandmother's house the next morning. The moral and aestehtic nightmare of Christmas, for real? One would think that an old commie atheist like Hitch would celebrate the banalization of holiday-time sentiment, the replacement of Jesus with Santa, the restorative paganism of it all. Increasingly, public observance does resemble Saturnalia--a holiday of excess and general merrymaking. This, I propose, is a good thing. Without being too mawkish about it, it seems to me that when a society turns the somber celebration of its predominant hocus-pocus messiah cults into a post-ecumenical seasonal gift-giving festival, well, it's a bright spot in an otherwise dour time for a civilization. Yes, the ubiquity of tinny Christmas Carols is annoying; no, emphatically no, it is not the same thing as murals of Dear Leader on every wall. I mean, I like to hit the bottle from time to time myself, but I try to keep my drunken stumbles through the mall, muttering that Santa Claus is the new Pol Pot, to myself.
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in before: "i think you mean 'io, Saturnalia!'"
DEATH TO AMERICA!!!!!!1!!
No, I mean Yo! Which, really, means Io. And is pronounced the same, dawg.
Hitchens must be aware that the concept is freedom of religion, not from. He wants a world where only anti-theists are free to express their beliefs. Truly, what a jerk he must be around the holidays...
oh i figured it was intentional. i just wanted to win.
but i have sometimes (ok once) wondered, how does one pronounce 'IOZ'?
does it follow suit with "io" and sound like yo'z?
or does it sound the way i read it in my (deranged) head: eye-oz?
or do you just spell it out: eye oh zee?
Were you actually expecting Hitchens to understand something like peace on earth and goodwill towards men? Really?
The Weekly Standard is "humorous"? Yeh, wow. That Fred Barnes guy should be doing Vegas.
The Weekly Standard is "humorous"? Yeh, wow. That Fred Barnes guy should be doing Vegas.
eye-oz
When did this supposed trend begin? Wasn't this what the Pilgrim Fathers had in mind when they banned Christmas?
erin4youmustbelieveapostateoryou willbepunished: Fail.
We want freedom from religion, too. And no, that does not mean I think, or Hitchens thinks, that "no theists will be free to express their beliefs." Only that theists will not be able to express said beliefs without being happily razzed for them.
Speaking as someone who lives in Vegas, I can say that Fred Barnes would definitely be an improvement over a lot of the shitty comedians in residency at various casinos, and his politics are at least more coherent than Penn Jillette's glib libertarian crowing. Oh wow Penn, you say psychics are con-men? The hell you say! Next thing you'll tell me that snake oil peddler wasn't on the up and up.
Razzing is fine, welcome and often deserved; forced observation of religion in private is not
Actually, once you skim off the hysteria, it's not a bad point...although at first I wasn't sure what the Dear Leader was the baby Jesus or Santa Claus. Frankly, despite our national "churchiness" I kind of think that ole Saint Nick is the problem at the moment. Trust me, visit China. While they go truly berserk for the Spring Festival, Christmas is a great warmup!
Not to say Chris' real point isn't real..."If all the official stories of monotheism, from Moses to Mormonism, were to be utterly and finally discredited, we would be exactly where we are now. All the agonizing questions that we face, from the idea of the good life and our duties to each other to the concept of justice and the enigma of existence itself, would be just as difficult and also just as fascinating. It takes a totalitarian mind-set to claim that only one Bronze Age Palestinian revelation or prophecy or text can be our guide through this labyrinth." I would edit it to say "utterly discredited or irrevocably proven"...because frankly, a god who sticks us in this predicament is an asshole anyway.
As for his desire to write the ultimate Christmas-humbug column, well, it's kind of like the search for the ultimate country song that ole' David Allan Coe chronicled in "You never even call me by my name..." There you have to mention trains, trucks, prison, getting drunk and mother. In Hitchens dream column, it'd probably have to focus on materialism, waste, the fraud of religion, the disparity of wealth, the aesthetic awfulness of the entire thing. Chris has got part of it down, pretty well...but, he'll need some more choruses and a couple of other verses.
forced observation of religion in private is not
Gosh, if only there were buildings devoted entirely to religion, where people could go spend all week if they wanted to, where they could bother God all they wanted and surround themselves with other like-minded individuals, so that other people could happily be out in public without having to listen to a bunch of attention-seeking Christers making a spectacle of themselves. Wouldn't it be great if there were such places?
'scuuz me while I kiss the sky
Hey, erin. I hear they are treating Christians really well in Iraq right now!
that was actually quite interesting, erin. I've run across The Door before. The only problem I have is the commentors slam Hinn, while still mouthing pieties about Paul. Hinn's prosperity gospel is attacked, yet Paulism is still seen as irreproachable.
Oh Jesus, I hate Hitchens.
You know, I want freedom from religion (and of it, too--they're one and the same, dumbasses), I hate Christmas music, and I look forward every year to family members pontificating at the dinner table about little baby Jesus and how if you're one of them secular celebrants of Xmas, you're shit. There's all this animus behind me, pushing me to hate the holiday, and yet Hitchens still goes so damn wide of the mark. What a bumbling, alcoholic shithead. He makes me want to convert.
Happy holidays!
I fail to see what the hell Jesus has to do with Christmas.
I fail to see what the hell Jesus has to do with Christmas.
I was going to say the same thing, but you already said it for me. Frankly, M. Hitchens' attack on Christianity really seems like a bizarre digression that has nothing to do with Christmas or any other holiday.
I mean, what's he saying, that people would hate presents and singing if not for that darn Christian propaganda?
As for the stuff that's not about religion, and thus actually relevant, isn't this less an argument against Christmas and more an argument against having any kind of widely celebrated holiday at all, anywhere?
By its very definition a holiday is a bunch of ritualistic events engaged in by a number of people at the same time every year.
If we all gathered to watch a guy dressed in human skin chop the heads off women dressed as fertility goddesses every winter that would be different, but Hitch would still be able to make the same complaints.
the concept is freedom of religion, not from.
'Struth, erin, you don't miss a cliche, do you? I'm an atheist, and I'm happy to have religious nuts like you running around waving their cult in my face, so I can pick on them and make them cry. It's the reason for the season.
You really are pathetic Prom Reader if you believe I am a religious nut, crying after I read your posts, or scared of you in any way. I just believe and espouse basic orthodoxy, which I am more than ready to accept you don't buy. I view your hostility toward me as an expression of the emptiness of your life and move along.
Hitchens is talking bollocks again? Hold the front page!
Although I have to admit that the relentless pressure to both buy other people crap and pretend that you like the crap they bought you really does piss me off... Christmas has been much better in my family since we stopped exchanging presents, and I absolutely refuse to participate in the "Secret Santa" bollocks at work. I've got more than enough crap already, thanks.
The getting together, getting drunk and eating bit is cool though.
Christmas is no more or less a ritual than a coffee and a dump in the morning, or the passing of a bowl in your friends basement in between rounds of ping pong. you go to church to hear the praise about the newborn baby Jesus, not Macy's.
why must Hitchens be such a narc? what a wanker.
Didn't you get the memo, Fundy? IOZ said a few months back to quit using the word wanker, you non-limey cunt. Now obey your boy!
Fight Fight Fight Fight.
Prom Reader vs. Erin.
I'll take bets here at the window.
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