“Do we really want to encourage cases,” Professor Arum asked, “where students and parents are seeking monetary damages against educators in such school-specific matters where reasonable people can disagree about what is appropriate under the circumstances?”Well, yes.
Thrilling though it may be for junior high secretaries and vice principles to consider themselves deputized as some manner of vice squad, doesn't it seem odd that a society so enthralled to the notion that its educators cum educators are abject failures--iz are children learning? and all that--is so blithely willing to concede that schools should be set up as moderated panopticons run by the very same incompetents?
In the particular instance in the linked article, the poor girl was accused without evidence by a fellow student of carrying the equivalent of a couple of asprin. A threat, indeed, to the "health and welfare" of her fellow students. Why, had she been carrying, she might have inadvertently ameliorated menstrual cramping or a twisted ankle at recess. The school's default reaction was not to simply ask the girl if she had the medicine, operating on the assumption that reasonably intelligent adults who work with young adolescents every day ought to be able to ferret out untruths through verbal questioning, but to treat her like a vicious criminal or, worse, an airline passenger.
Or, you know, they could've just called her mother. Increasingly, I've noticed that public schools, supposedly empowered to act in loco parentis, view actual parents with a mixture of dread and animosity, and seek through intimidation and subterfuge to prevent parents from being active partners in the upbringing of their children; rather than deferring to mom and dad, or mom, or dad, or aunty, or uncle, or grandmother, or legal guardian, they seem to believe that these evil family influences are kinds of co-conspirators.
I once found myself on the receiving end of the threat of a more . . . intrusive search back in my student days, and the offending administrator found himself on the receiving end of the implication that I might make certain implications about male administrators with undue interest in teenage male students in states of undress. But I was brazen, protected by my family's influence and station in our community, and older than thirteen. Also had half a joint on my, so there was that.
The school district does not contest that Ms. Redding had no disciplinary record, but says that is irrelevant.And isn't this the case with all of us. Innocent only because we have so far avoided arrest.
“Her assertion should not be misread to infer that she never broke school rules,” the district said of Ms. Redding in a brief, “only that she was never caught.”
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[that one line from tbl about people not caring about the rules]
i have kids in school and some of the teachers in that place have what i call a prison guard mentality.
what's more, there is a police "resource" officer at the high school in the district who broke up a fight a couple of years ago between two 15-16 year old girls by tasing one of them.
the state has introduced new recording rules that require schools to report students by name (for what reason i am not sure) who are disciplined with a suspension.
i've started teaching the kids the usefulness of phrases like "i do not consent to any searches," and "don't tase me, bro!"
I was also struck by Prof. Arum's expressed concern that the evil courts might intrude on the sanctity of the administrator/student relationship by exercising oversight or something. A horrifying prospect! Next the judges and lawyers will be trying to intervene in other private areas, like how we corporally discipline our children and wives.
this is somewhat apropos.
the notion that intimidation and discipline were used by schools precisely to avert parental involvement is something of an epiphany for me. thanks.
Na na
N' na na.
So now we have another version of the modern witch hunt.
"Yo. Dat gurl carry'n da bad mojo.
Bring in da exersis."
Our school system is just an apparatus to socialize and indoctrinate kids, a means of instilling obedience and submission in the population at large. Education is wholly secondary. Yeah, they teach you to read and calculate. But it's mostly about getting in line and being quiet and raising your hand and spending no more than three seconds at the water fountain and, above all, learning to do what other people tell you to do.
After all, how are our kids going to get by in this wonderful police state of ours if we don't deny them privacy and autonomy from the beginning? What this girl suffered differs only in degree from the indignities the average kid goes through every day at school.
...moderated panopticons run by the very same incompetents."
I'm stealing that line the next time I get into a conversation about schools. Thank you.
I actually posted a comment on another site in answer to the question from Prof. Arum that consisted entirely of "Yes."
In addition to all the usual bullshit involved here (and almost everything else involving our "educators"; I second everything said above), I cannot believe (well, unfortunately, I have enough experience to really believe it) that this was over "prescription-strength ibuprofen pills ... as strong as two Advils."
This would have been over-the-top for a kilo of heroin. But for two fucking Advils? Are you kidding me? Are we going to be strip-searching students suspected of carrying aspirin or cough drops now? Are we going to suspend/expel/arrest female students for carrying painkillers for "that time of the month"?
The old saying is that "truth is the first casualty of war." Based on this and other similar incidents, common sense is the second casualty of the "War on Drugs".
Boys and girls, we are very near the end of civilization.
oh shit. Come on, Donny, they were threatening castration! is anyone else going to call IOZ out on his shit, or what? he threatened the public humiliation and likely dismissal of a teacher (or teachers) who was about to search him for a joint he had in his pocket. you could have ruined the guy. he must have found reverse real quick on that Soviet tank, eh?
what community and family provide can never fully be supplemented by the state. it can only be ruined by it.
"Boys and girls, we are very near the end of civilization." And not a minute too soon.
Junior high schools have always been a fascist stronghold.
Mr. Fun,
You're so right. It would be a shame to let IOZ's anecdote pass without comment.
Right on, IOZ! I wish I'd had balls as big as you had then, when I was in school. I'm comparatively a sheep.
There. Happy now, Mr. Fun?
The law re: MJ is bullshit. The guy would have deserved anything he got for acting in suport of the injustice. Fire with fire, I say.
Using coercion to counter the coercive? Yes, let's throw a hissy fit. Bullies sometimes need to be bullied.
One might also ask, doesn't it seem odd that a society so enthralled to the notion that its government is an abject failure is so blithely willing to concede that the entire country and/or world should be set up as a moderated panopticon run by the very same incompetents?
Oh, I have another question. I've always been a pretty straight-edge guy, never done any illegal drugs, never smoked, didn't drink until I was of legal age, so I probably just don't have the proper street smarts to understand this, but,
Ibuprofen, what the hell?
I've got some Ibuprofen on my shelf right now, so help me out; how many do I have to take before the hallucinations kick in?
lulz. and here I thought little Monsieur was threatening to ruin a guy's life over half a joint. that kinda pinch would have meant a state school for college for sure! lol.
threatening to ruin a guy's life
hey, he gave the guy a choice. it may be coercion, but it seems a less violent form of coercion than what was being demanded of him. (a more . . . intrusive search than the strip search described in the linked article?)
btw, IOZ, what's more intrusive than a strip search? we talking body cavity search? sounds like there may have been something to be questioned in the motives of the male administrators.
"I've got some Ibuprofen on my shelf right now, so help me out; how many do I have to take before the hallucinations kick in?"
if you drink enough whiskey and take the whole bottle, you might get some delirium visions before you die.
I had a vice principal try to threaten me with expulsion over accusations that I'd been involved in a rinky-dink underground newspaper. I knew it was bullshit, so I laughed at him, didn't get so much as detention. Someone really needs to start teaching kids to tell these so-called "authority figures" to produce a warrant or go fuck themselves.
Oh, dude, anyone with any street smarts knows you can cook down some ibuprofin (or 'prof as the kids call it) and shoot that shit right in your eye. The resultant high makes French 1 slide through Gym, Study Hall, and all the way home. Before you know it, though, you're itching for some more 'prof.
Shit. You didn't know that? Better axe somebody.
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