In Iran you've got to get approval from the Ayatollah to run for president. In America, you have to raise a billion dollars. Which is harder? Who knows! Iranians seemed eager to vote, but should probably have just stayed home, since, as Elliott Abrams is eager to remind us, they did not have the opportunity to vote for the candidates and parties that most closely matched their extended families' historical ethnoreligious affinity group identities, unlike the Lebanese, who did. But at least, says Abrams, "the majority of Lebanese have rejected Hezbollah’s claim that it is not a terrorist group but a 'national resistance.'" Unlike the last election, in 2005, when . . . the results were almost identical to the results this year. I suppose Abrams and the gang at CFR are free to view this as a national referendum on Hezbollah's legitimacy, but to a more reasonable observer it seems plain that the same people and districts which voted for Hezbollah last time voted for Hezbollah this time, a pattern broady repeated across the parties in both the governing and opposition coalitions. But it was all very free and fair, whatever that means.
While it remains unfortunately popular to view the Iranians as the great boogety-boogety, it turns out that Iran is a great big country full of fairly ordinary people with jobs, homes, and worries about their economy. Their political system is insane, cracked, corrupt, and impenetrable, but try explaining the American electoral college to even an educated, politically observant European and see if you won't say more or less the same about our own. If we have mistaken Iran for our nemesis, perhaps it's because we see an uncomfortable likeness in the Iranians, a religious people who may not be quite so religious as popular assumption would have it, struggling with their own odd and idiosyncratic version of democracy.
Friday, June 12, 2009
A Cedar Falls and No One Is There to Hear It
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Clearly you've not been reading your Jeffy G. Don't you know that our government has made dozens of unsubstantiated allegations against the Iranians which have all been flushed down the memory tubes after briefly infuriating and confirming the suspicions of those with preconceived notions because no evidence was ever offered to support them???!!
but we're the best, you see.
Our similarities also explain why we hate France so much.
Hard to read of their populist nationalist politicians and their wan "reformers" and not get a little fond of them. Jesus, they're as stupid as we are.
First John Yoo. Now Elliot Abrams. Man, the Noo Yawk Times sure loves their war criminals.
saw a triumphant report on network news about a large street demonstration in support of the challenger. many in the crowd were said to be among Iran's elite.
an auto mechanic, who was interview for the report as he worked, said he supported the incumbent because he is not corrupt and has done good things for the people.
americans, as if our opinion matters, hate one of the candidates.
i don't have an opinion one way or the other i'm still not gonna vote.
Should the new guy win, I wonder how long it will be before they find some appropriately dark statement from his past and make a boogey man of him too.
I bet that Mir Hussein Moussavi is going to turn out to be a racialist.
I would quibble with one thing: Are most European political systemts that much better? In Berlusconi's Italy, for God's sake? Or in a France where a crackpot like Le Pen can get 15-20%of the vote? Is proportional representation a good thing when 25% of the population are fascist wackaloons? On the other hand, maybe that would mean W's "base" could have their very own independent political party and we could quarrantine the infection?
Just sayin' that there is no perfect political system or even a particularly enlightened place. :)
. . . like a child who wanders into a movie . . .
Who said "European political systems are better"? Substitute Japanese in the original post if you prefer, or Chinese or, for that matter, Iranian.
Although, and just for the record, I don't see how anything Jean-Marie Le Pen says, no matter how febrile, vicious, and racist, compares to Barack Obama's campaign promises to kill everyone on the Afghan-Pakistan border.
saw a triumphant report on network news about a large street demonstration in support of the challenger. many in the crowd were said to be among Iran's elite.
an auto mechanic, who was interview for the report as he worked, said he supported the incumbent because he is not corrupt and has done good things for the people.
Whoa, that's a compelling analysis of the electorate. Was David Brooks involved somewhere? Do they even have Applebee's in Iran?
I think it's probably a good thing if the face Iran presents to the world isn't a denier of the Shoah. He doesn't have to be "pro-Western" to get over that bar. I'd actually prefer a critic of US meddling who couldn't be quite so easily dismissed as a nutcase.
IOZ adequately takes Brian to task, but the latter commits another error.
How can you blame the democratic institution for giving voice to popular sentiment? Proportional representation and parliamentism do not create constituencies; they merely reflect them. Garbage in, garbage out.
Where's Nutella to speak up for the defenseless, voiceless Israelis in all this?
mea culpa, Cuynet
In my defense, though, Ioz did mention the sublime criticism of the "educated European" in the original post, but I will concede that he is not really saying their systems are better.
As for the inherent horror of Obama's continuation of American bomb-and destroy policies versus "racism," you are right I actually used to join in with the Paulbots in criticizing this very blindness in Democratic Party partisans.
Paul is purportedly strongly antiwar/interventionuist, but he is supported by some nutty/scary people. Still...given how many brown people current policy kills, which is worse, nutty racism or American imperialims (not that they are mutually exclusive)
One should note that Abrams is also wrong about "the majority of Lebanese" rejecting Hezbollah. In fact, the majority of Lebanese (that voted) voted for the March 8 coalition of which Hezbollah is a part. The way seats are allocated in the Lebanese confessional system, the majority of seats went to March 14, but the popular vote went to March 8.
i do not know how many people actually know that seats in Lebanon are divided along sectarian lines by several agreements ( evolving over time ) and do not reflect the actual populations . for example christians and druze have more seats in relation to their size and the preliminary results suggest that the opposition front actually got close to 54-55 % of the vote and only about 45 % of the seats .
badri
i seem to recall mccant and obomba sitting in front of a fat fuckin' moolah droolin' over jeesus. no, warren purpose driven fatburger can't prevent anyone from runnin', but....
Is that the same Elliott Abrams that should be in prison for crimes against humanity?
(I mean if it was a perfect world and everything.)
W4B
It is no coincidence that despite its admittedly corrupt and thuggish theocracy, Iran is the strongest, most dynamic, and most democratic country in the Middle-East.. apart from Israel of course ... although you should ask the occupied and brutalized Palestinian people what they think of Israeli "democracy".
And as you indicate in this post, despite the ridiculous demonization and anti-Iranian propaganda in the US and in the West, Iran actually has a flourishing democratic, civic society, with grass-roots civilian and democratic institutions. And there's a reason for this: because Iran has managed to keep Uncle $cam's greedy, corrupting and thuggish hands out of its country and affairs after their revolution in 1979 after experiencing first-hand the effects of American and the West's "noble goals" of "establishing democracy" in the Middle-East when the British bastards and CIA thugs overthrew Iran's democratic government in 1953 to protect the interests of British oil companies that were looting and plundering Iran's oil wealth and installed their pro-West, pro-American puppet, the brutal Shah.
Certainly, Iran is a far cry from being a shining model of democracy
but it is a hell lot better and more democratic than all the rest of the autocratic, pro-American puppet regimes like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan that are laughably touted as "moderate" Arab countries in the US media just because the corrupt ruling elites of those countries are American allies.
And Iran is certainly a hell lot better than the lawless, broken, brutalized, and devastated country that is Iraq today after a live demonstration of the West's and Uncle $cam's "noble goals" to "establish democracy in the Middle East".
If Iran is allowed to develop organically without the threat of a racist, Western imperial state constantly at its throat - Britain before WW-II and now America - Iran will flourish and correct its own mistakes democratically and slowly but surely get rid of the Islamic theocracy.
Turkey, even though it's been a NATO ally for some time and thus party to some of the more interesting excesses of the Cold War, has a corrupt democracy certainly comparable to Iran's. We can debate whether the Turkish military is a more or less desirable alternative to the Shiite clerics of Iran.
And both are seeing the rise of rightwing populism. Interesting times.
Other than that, I agree with you. Just had to add that.
...the title was a teaser to people from Iowa, and it's true that it does feel like a voiceless town sometimes especially when you compare it with all the attention Iowa City gets, which is just 30 miles to the south.
Did get me to pay attention to the post though as I closely read in vain for even a crypto reference to the City of The Seven Smells (it's an agro-processing center).
I wonder about the possibility of CIA backing in all the street demonstrations (a la 1953).
HV: Yes, the revolution was great at first, but then the ayatollah took over and closed universites and basically persecuted far leftists. Read Persepolis for god's sake.
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