Will Wilkinson has a note about so-called urban farming that's right on the money--until we start eating foodstuffs synthesized by nanites out of the basement algae pond, it will require land to sustain large-scale agriculture. I say this as an avid urban agrophile with a thriving garden that's awfully large . . . for a neighborhood in which my 18' x 50' side yard is the largest green space that's not a city park. You can grow an awful lot of tomatoes and zucchinis, and my sorrel is out of control, but were it not for that expensive bastard John Mackey and his goddamned yuppie food emporium, I would starve. I do, however, think that encouraging what you might call near urban agriculture, which is to say bulldozing the exurbs back into arable land, would do us all a world of good. Western Pennsylvania, for instance, is already some of the finest farm country on earth, particularly rich for dairy and vegetable farming, as well as the best lamb on earth.
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New Jersey is the Garden State, biotch. I was bred there.
Well, yes and no. Wilkinson has a good couple chuckles at them fancy-pants city slickers trying to grow shit in the city, haw, haw, but he writes this in the context of techno-optimist crowing over the state of fucking Iowa, an agro-industrial welfare state built on decades of obscene government policy of growing billions of tons of corn nobody needs and shoving it into places where nobody ever asked for it, with the use of technology that's rapidly destroying our topsoil, our oceans and our atmosphere. All of which is to say that in addition to plowing down the exurbs, we could leave half of Iowa/Monsanto/ADM to go fallow if we grew more of our own food - including, yes, in cities - and turned off the government tap.
I thought he mentioned that in his post, yo.
I read somewhere that fully half of the domestic water wells in rural Iowa are dangerously contaminated with the byproducts of said Monsanto.
"I thought he mentioned that in his post"
He mentioned ag subsidies, before going on to say how awesome farming in general in Iowa was, and how it was a Technological Miracle, and ha ha, look at those dumb environmentalists who don't like it!
"If not for the massive subsidies it receives, the percentage of land under cultivation in Iowa would decline even more rapidly than it has. But it would remain one of the best places in the world for growing stuff. An unsubsidized Iowa would grow a different mix of stuff, and would traffic in a different mix of animals. Greater heterogeneity would reduce some economies of scale, but the scale of the actual farming–the kind that keeps humanity fed–will probably remain inconceivable to many rooftop basil growers."
Mr. Fun brings it with the documentary evidence.
Right, and again, see the part where he mocks environmental criticism of big agribusiness ("Happy Planet Index-type people") and trumpets the "immense strides in pest and weed control, farm machinery, bioengineering, and economies of scale" of the twentieth century - developments that have directly contributed to the rapid depletion of topsoil throughout the Midwest, the spread of massive oceanic dead zones, anthropogenic climate change and ocean acidification - as "one of the great achievements of human history." And he does this, of course, in the context of mocking efforts of individuals and groups to grow more of their own food as an alternative to relying on massive state-sponsored agribusiness. When lefties talk about libertarians acting as blind apologists for state capitalism, they're talking about people like Wilkinson.
Mr. Fun brings it with lack of reading comprehension.
Do you eat bread, Christopher?
"The mind-blowing productivity growth in agriculture over the 20th century stands as one of the great achievements of human history. It involved immense strides in pest and weed control, farm machinery, bioengineering, and economies of scale. All this has made it possible to feed a rapidly increasing population with decreasing amounts of land and labor."
notice how nowhere in what you mention Christopher, are there accounts of massive human die-offs.
those will come later. thanks
Speaking of bread. I baked my own bread for the first time since I was 12, and it was fucking awesome. Then I made raisin bread. Also awesome. And now we're ordering some grass fed beef from some local NC cattle farmers.
But I'm an anarcho-techno-pessi-optimist - the American welfare-warfare crypto-fascist state will eventually collapse leaving us to twitter on our iphones in peace.
"Do you eat bread, Christopher?"
IOZ, the point is not that we can grow every single thing that we will ever need to eat, ever, on our rooftop gardens. No one is making this claim other than the strawman you and Wilkinson seem to be so easy to torch. The point is rather that much of what we currently eat is produced by an enormous, expensive, and unsustainable system which is only maintained by billions of dollars of government subsidies, and that a healthier and saner system would necessarily involve eating more food that we grow ourselves, and more food that's produced closer to where we live, and more food that isn't produced by the "great achievements" Wilkinson celebrates.
sorry to be a stoner, but urban farming really works best when you think about hydroponics. soil isn't really necessary.
Christopher you fucking retard, what Wilkinson is saying is that if the subsidies were lifted there would be no reason for GINORMOUS AGRIBIDNESS to remain in Iowa. Iowa would remain a great place to grow shit, and while there would be less farming going on there, what farming did occur would be much closer to what you yourself tout as the best thing since sliced bread, all groovy and value added and shit. but you don't seem to know what you're attacking and/or what the reality is, so have at it. BLAWG!
Mr. Fun, for the umpteenth time, the "pest and weed control, farm machinery, bioengineering, and economies of scale" Wilkinson praises directly contribute to water and air pollution, oceanic dead zones, soil degradation, climate change and ocean acidification. This, at least, is intrinsic to the technology, not merely to the giganticness of the corporations using them. This stuff would not magically go away if ag subsidies disappeared, and Wilkinson thinks it's awesome. Wilkinson thinks it's "one of the great achievements of human history." Wilkinson mocks environmental critics of agricultural pollution as "Happy Earth Index people" and backwards Malthusians ("No doubt Happy Planet Index-type people in 1909 were pointing out the physical impossibility of our one finite planet supporting 7 billion people"). This is pretty standard stuff from him; the man is an ass.
Excuse me, sir. Could you please keep your voices down? This is a family restaurant.
This man may or may not be an ass, but I am indisputably an ass man.
Mr. Fun is right about my intent. I AM AGAINST SUBSIDIES. And I would like to see a great deal more land devoted to growing the awesome stuff I get at the Iowa City farmer's market, which it would be if our wise technocrats weren't fighting against global warming and for "energy independence" by paying people to grow corn and soy. But Christopher M. is right that I am not, however, against pesticides, herbicides, and the genetic modifications that have made it possible to grow enough food that large numbers of people won't starve to death, while reducing the amount of cultivated land. These technologies, through their continuing advance, become ever less toxic, which I think is good. I also think negative externalities of production should be internalized, whether by a better assignment of property rights, or through regulation.
The Happy Planet Index people aren't critics of "agricultural pollution." They are people who basically just assume that that the use of carbon-based energy could never be net positive, which is retarded.
They are people who basically just assume that that the use of carbon-based energy could never be net positive, which is retarded
God, you're an idiot.
and yet we're still here, and increasing in population. the Earth still maintains its axis, the sun shines, the rain falls.
Christopher, when you get a handle on the date when all this ecological catastrophe world ending shite is going to go down, please let us all know. otherwise, stfu.
WHO'S THE FUCKING NIHILIST
HERE! WHAT ARE YOU, A BUNCH OF
FUCKING CRYBABIES?!
They are people who basically just assume that that the use of carbon-based energy could never be net positive, which is retarded
God, you're an idiot.
have you actually gone and read the stuff put out by the happy earth index people? or are you just being a reactionary bc you love mother earth so much that anyone that would deride something as positive as a happy earth index has to be an asshole.
"Christopher, when you get a handle on the date when all this ecological catastrophe world ending shite is going to go down, please let us all know."
That little bit of snark would sound better if the ecological catastrophe weren't already happening.
oh snap, he took the bait.
turn and face the strain, bitch.
"Life finds a way." -Jeff Goldblum. Snap.
roll your pant legs up, homeboy.
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It's awfully cute and endearing when Mr. Fun tries to get all logicalistically argumentative 'n' shit.
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You could save a lot of time by redirecting the blog's URL to a page of IMDB quotes.
But Christopher M. is right that I am not, however, against pesticides, herbicides, and the genetic modifications that have made it possible to grow enough food that large numbers of people won't starve to death, while reducing the amount of cultivated land. These technologies, through their continuing advance, become ever less toxic, which I think is good.
Thinking something is "good" is nowhere near proof of its beneficence.
Congratulations, Will. You are now part of the surreality brigade. Please drop your critical faculties in the trashbin as you enter this room. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.
Signed,
Futurists who want to rape Earth and move on to the next planet.
For the record, the use of herbicides and pesticides predates Monsanto, and will postdate it. Genetic modification is agriculture. Selective breeding, y'all.
Monoculture monopoly agriculture is bad, but pretending that you can feed hundreds of millions of people, let alone billions, without some degree of mechanization, industrialization, and an advanced biochemical industry is, regrettably, just pretending. There was a time in still-living memory when whole crops simply failed.
The methods of biodynamic farming and the application of science are not inherently inimical.
IOZ, what about this: http://www.counterpunch.org/cummings07092009.html
That's a great article Jenny - thanks for pointing that out.
Actually, I was just throwing it out there to see what his thoughts were. I don't agree with it entirely although There was a slate article a while back that talked about whole foods false advertising: http://www.slate.com/id/2138176/
There's always trader Joes.
After four decades of hard work, the organic community has built up a $25 billion “certified organic” food, farming, and green products sector. This consumer-driven movement, under steady attack by the biotech and Big Food lobby, with little or no help from government, has managed to create a healthy and sustainable alternative to America’s disastrous, chemical and energy-intensive system of industrial agriculture. Conscious of the health hazards of Big Food Inc., and the mortal threat of climate change and Peak Oil, a critical mass of organic consumers are now demanding food and other products that are certified organic, as well as locally or regionally produced, minimally processed, and packaged.
i am sorry was there an article there or just a checklist of goofy half-wit things a beyond his depth hippie would say when confronted with a question about agriculture?
"i am sorry was there an article there or just a checklist of goofy half-wit things a beyond his depth hippie would say when confronted with a question about agriculture"
ooh, "hippies"! go on, say some more lebowski stuff, too.
In the end, it doesn't matter. The Sun will expand to the orbit of Mars and destroy ALL life on Earth. Or, maybe a massive asteroid will smash into the ocean and destroy us all! Vanity...all is vanity.
Actually, we are rather due for a major extinction event. Which is fine by me. This Kali Yuga has suxxxorrd ballz.
I'm calling for the explosion of the Yellowstone Supercaldera, myself.
" The upward movement of the Yellowstone caldera floor—almost 3 inches (7 centimeters) each year for the past three years—is more than three times greater than ever observed since such measurements began in 1923.[15] From mid-Summer 2004 through mid-Summer 2008, the land surface within the caldera has moved upwards, as much as 8 inches at the White Lake GPS station.[16]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera
Maybe that's how God will work to answer the prayers of this wackaloon Wiley Drake for the Death of Obama. The Lord Jehovaah doesn't worry too much about collateral damage! http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/07/sophisticated_theology.php
The methods of biodynamic farming and the application of science are not inherently inimical.
I think perhaps you meant organic farming, which is certainly not inherently inimical to science. Biodynamic farming is a rather different beast, and is basically what you get when you apply the principles of homoeopathy to necromancy.
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