Chuck Todd is a straight up moron. I mean, look, if I could have occupied Chuck Todd's grotesque pinnipedal FlavrSavr form at any point during that interview with Glenn Greenwald, I'd've said, "Look, Glenn, you're being painfully naive. The Augustus retains the forms and rituals of the Republic even as he exercises ultimate authority. It isn't just, fair, or Democratic, but it's the way things work. Some squishy homunculus with no pull and no friends like Johnny Yoo may one day get tossed to the bleating mob outside the palace--if, that is, the mob can unhook its high fructose corn syrup drip and haul its fat diabetic ass from the couch to the palace in the first place--but no one important is going down for this, because yes, they are quite literally above the law, as immune to it as sharks to cancer."
But as I do not yet have such powers, I listened with bemused, giggly horror as Glenn made Chuck Todd appear even dumber than Chuck Todd is ordinarily able to make himself appear in bright lights of teevee land. Lest you think I damn with faint praise, let me just say that I honestly believe this to be a remarkable feat on Glenn's part, the equivalent of unscrambling eggs or multiplying zero by some other figure and ending up with a negative number. Chuck's "view from thirty-thousand feet" seemed to be no more or less than the matte wing of the aircraft carrying him along at that breathless height, and while Greenwald strove to discuss the topology below, Chuck could not tear himself from all the fascinating patterns of rivets. By the end of the interview, I felt actual sympathy, true and honest pity, for as Glenn needled him for trying to wheedle out of first-person statements by claiming to have acted as a mere interlocutor, it became perfectly apparent that poor Chuck Todd has no opinions of his own, no cognitive process to speak of, no moral sentience if I may turn a phrase; he is more than a mirror, less than an empty vessel.
Finally, on a related but different note, American "issues" have a curious geometry. All off them, apparently, have two sides. There are no triangles in politics, only two perfectly parallel lines, like train tracks, which, though they never meet, always seem to end up at the same destination.
Thursday, July 16, 2009
The Thirty-Thousand Feet Level
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the dude's fucking name is Chuck Todd. that can't be real.
although, to be fair, I am easily as aversive whenever my boss asks me questions.
I DON'T KNOW! I DON'T CARE! WHY ARE YOU BOTHERING ME? GO AWAY!
would easily suffice.
If they paired him with a dude named Todd Chuck, I would watch.
Makes me wanna take a nap.
Chuck Todd is not the brightest bulb. But in a certain sense he's no dummy. At 37 years old, he's at the pinnacle of whatever it is that he does. He at some level understands what can be said, and what can't be said.
If you had to ask me 15 years ago, would you like to be Chief Political Director for NBC News or would you like to be writing a commentary on the Who is IOZ blog, it would've looked at you like you were fucking nuts.
The difference between me and Chuck Todd is that Chuck knew how to do it. Now, I'm not sure whether I could've kept my thoughts about matters political so bottled up that I could've accomplished what he's done.
And maybe the fact that I can pretend that I look at the world through less shit-filled goggles is worth something. Maybe not. Chuck Todd probably has a fuck of a nicer house than I do.
"If you had to ask me 15 years ago, would you like to be Chief Political Director for NBC News or would you like to be writing a commentary on the Who is IOZ blog, it would've looked at you like you were fucking nuts."
That, sir, is your fault. Just as every bum's lot in life is his responsibility. I'd suggest you do what your parents did - get a job, sir.
Anonymous again, re: what Justin said.
Right. This misses the point, which is to say as we enjoy a good snark at Chuck Todd's expense, we shouldn't also consider whether he has won the game. Or at least, that he's no fucking moron.
Chuck Todd: I agree, in a perfect world - Glenn, in a perfect world, yes. And if you could also guarantee me, that this wouldn't become a show trial, and wouldn't be put, and created so that we had nightly debates about it, that is the ideal way to handle this.
For a political reporter, he doesn't seem to like politics very much. And for a TV reporter, he doesn't seem to like the idea of showing things on TV very much.
Oh please, Mr. Todd, can we have some trials if we promise not to talk about them or show any pictures on the TV?
Right. This misses the point, which is to say as we enjoy a good snark at Chuck Todd's expense, we shouldn't also consider whether he has won the game. Or at least, that he's no fucking moron.
how long will the dude hold his position if he keeps sounding like a nitwit on easily youtubed clips?
Anonymous @ 7:22. You’re joking, right? Or do you honestly believe sounding like an idiot is a disqualifier in the American Pundocracy?
Two first names: werewolf.
how long will the dude hold his position if he keeps sounding like a nitwit on easily youtubed clips? He will hold that position until he stops sounding like a nitwit. Watch the 25 most viewed You Tube clips every day for a week and report back -- if you are able. Chuck Todd is an American Genius. A little too smart to be a senator, but not too proud to give the lady what she wants.
how long will the dude hold his position if he keeps sounding like a nitwit on easily youtubed clips?
Yeah. What 7:54 said. In a significant way, you're stupider than Todd is. You misunderstand the game.
Indeed. Mr. Todd sounded to me very much like a man who knew exactly what he had to say to retain his current job.
The conflation of intelligence ("he's no moron") with "winning the game," which is to say, working in the big office for the big salary suggests that some commentators around here have never been in a workplace.
Holy shit. There was no way I was listening to that thing, but now the transcript is up and it's gold, Jerry!
Chuck: This could set a a very dangerous precedent. Do we really want to be like those countries all around the world where they prosecute people who break the laws?
Glenn: Um, yes.
Chuck: But that's criminalizing crime!
The conflation of intelligence ("he's no moron") with "winning the game," which is to say, working in the big office for the big salary suggests that some commentators around here have never been in a workplace.
Also, while I would certainly like a cushy job that pays fairly well and requires no effort on my part, if you were Chuck Todd, you'd have to spend most of your time hanging around people like... well, Chuck Todd.
Would you want that? I wouldn't.
"There are no triangles in politics, only two perfectly parallel lines, like train tracks, which, though they never meet, always seem to end up at the same destination."
Oooh, I like that. I might have to steal it.
CT: ". . .There was no doubt the White House, the previous White House was trying to play politics with US attorney selections."
And next he's going to suggest that the White House and Congress play politics with Supreme Court nominations too!
CT may in fact be a torturer-appeasin' tool, but he's the one who has a better grip on how shit actually works (albeit, without displaying any desire for it to be otherwise). GG seems honorable for wanting to lock up the power-abusing baddies, but is naive enough to think that some Great American Justice System already exists that merely need be followed (or gently nudged by incisive progressive commentators) to make America more Just.
huh? dude may still be a pundit but he will not be the director of anything. chris matthews is an idiot pundit but no NBC News political director.
how long will the dude hold his position if he keeps sounding like a nitwit on easily youtubed clips?
If Chuck sees someone do X, and they are rewarded with Y, is he able to recognize that connection? The brightness or dimness of the bulb isn't the issue. It either turns on or it doesn't.
Applauding Greenwald. I always knew you were a liberal.
GG seems honorable for wanting to lock up the power-abusing baddies, but is naive enough to think that some Great American Justice System already exists that merely need be followed (or gently nudged by incisive progressive commentators) to make America more Just.
If, by "merely need be followed", you mean prosecute government officials who break the law, well, sure Greenwald believes this would make America more "just." Does he think "gentle nudging by incisisive progressive commentators" is enough to make this happen? I've never seen any evidence of that. Maybe you have, and you can provide a link?
. . . prosecute government officials who break the law, well, sure Greenwald believes this would make America more "just."
The point is that the justice system, and what is considered just, does not exist within a political vacuum, but is instead heavily shaped by political interests. Expecting politicians (especially those with the power to directly affect the operation of the justice system) to support the prosecution of other politicians without regard to how this affects their own political interests is not only a misunderstanding of how the justice system works (or why it exists in the first place), but is akin to asking politicians to stop behaving like politicians. CT seems to understand this, but GG doesn't. The justice system is incapable of being applied equally to both politicians and non-politicians alike (or rich and poor, etc.) because, if it did, the bulk of American government, military agencies, etc., would be unable to function (you know, cuz so many of them'd be in prison).
Regarding my empirical investigation into suspicions that Greenwald and other progressive commentators believe themselves capable of bringing justice to America by helping to pressure politicians into behaving according to the demands of the Great American System of Justice -- I've compiled an exhaustive list of sources here.
Chuck Todd needs to stay at the 30,000 foot level, hopefully in a flying prison. (Without charges filed against him.)
Expecting politicians ... to support the prosecution of other politicians ... is akin to asking politicians to stop behaving like politicians.
(pardon my ellipsis)
But what makes you think that Greenwald expects any politician to do this? If I say, "Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted," does that mean I expect that they will be prosecuted?
“Expecting politicians ... to support the prosecution of other politicians ... is akin to asking politicians to stop behaving like politicians.”
I don’t necessarily disagree, but I think a slightly different dynamic is at work. I expect politicians to behave like politicians. What that doesn’t mean is some absolutely consistent across the board set of behaviors. They play it by ear and do whatever works in the case at hand. If prosecuting a fellow politician grants them an edge, they prosecute. If prosecuting a fellow politician puts them at risk, they don’t prosecute.
Thus, enough politicians saw political advantage in prosecuting the president for getting a sweet, sweet, God-Loves-Us-And-Wants-Us-Happy blow job to make the prosecution of a fellow politician a perfectly acceptable act.
But what makes you think that Greenwald expects any politician to do this? If I say, "Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted," does that mean I expect that they will be prosecuted?
Jesus, dude, seriously? I meant expect as in 4b or 4c -- you know, "to consider reasonable, due, or necessary."
In case you still aren't getting this, read this passage from Greenwald in the interview, after CT is trying to explain that there's a political element to prosecuting high-ranking officials:
"I don't know what you mean. Here's what I think about this: here's how our system of government is supposed to work. We have laws that are enacted by the United States Congress, by the American people through their Congress, that say that if you do certain things -- if you do X, Y, and Z -- those are crimes. We have laws in place that say that anyone who engages in torture, or who authorizes torture, is committing a felony. . . . You either apply the rule of law to those government officials, the way that American citizens have the law applied to them when they commit crimes, or you announce a policy . . ."
What Greenwald doesn't get (or, more likely, is ignoring for the sake of his own politically-motivated argument) is that the justice system is inherently tied to political, economic, etc., forces that shape the application of law (and creation of law too -- GG's bit about 'Americans enacting laws through their Congress' is more evidence of his wishful thinking). CT is a tool, but he gets that American justice is sometimes just a political charade, especially when it comes to prosecuting the powerful.
Well, I'm glad to hear you didn't mean "expecting" in the sense that Greenwald is pregnant.
Anonymous 12:33 has it exactly right. "Politicians behaving like politicians" can mean throwing one of their own to the wolves to appease public outrage. Please note the use of the word "can" in the previous sentence, (you can look it up). I'm not saying this is likely to happen, just that its possible.
And anyway, it's just silly to claim that making a demand of a system ("Bush should be prosecuted") is necessarily an expression of faith in that system. Sure, Greenwald wants Bush and his cronies to be prosecuted by our corrupt, politicized American justice system. You got another one we should use instead?
it's just silly to claim that making a demand of a system ("Bush should be prosecuted") is necessarily an expression of faith in that system.
Right, which is probably why nobody claimed that. Greenwald says "here's how our system of government is supposed to work," and then goes on to recite a popular mythology that bears little resemblance to what the system, as constructed, actually requires. He also says that "the justice system ends up being perverted" unless the prosecutions go forward, as if special exceptions for the politically powerful weren't already built-in to a justice system that's inherently ruled by politics every step of the way.
OK, so to recap, we have:
1) A President who instituted illegal wiretap and torture policies
2) An army of eager-to-please bureaucrats who wrote up legal justifications for these policies
3) An army of DC-based "journalists" who argue with all their might against prosecuting said president and bureaucrats.
But the guy you're aiming your fire at is the blogger who says the president and his bureaucrats should be put on trial, while also directing withering scorn at the DC journalists. Because, in calling for prosecutions, he's expressing too much faith in the American criminal-justice system.
Congratulations, you win the lefter-than-thou competition. Here's your prize.
Jesus.
Stop feeding the troll, people.
Why anyone praises Glenn Greenwald is beyond me. 4th rate lawyer, 10th rate political analyst.
Is it his gayness that rates him so highly? His willingness to say what every pwoggie and lib-wool wants to hear? His naive delusions about American politics?
Surely it's not his intellect, his writing, his legal analysis, or his political acumen.
PS:
SteveB's comments here are as inane as his comments at Schwartz's blog.
SteveB, your "pragmatic centrist Donklebot" perspective is the type directly responsible for the presidencies of the fraud known as Bill Clinton and the pretender known as Barack Obama. While it's almost funny to read typical DLC-think in your every post, the funniness is not in the accuracy of the DLC position, but in your slavering sycophancy to a lying perspective.
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