Monday, August 31, 2009

I don't want my brother coming out of that toilet with just his dick in his hands, alright?


Will Wilkinson writes about guns at political events as an introduction to an interesting, brief take on the overcommitment of public resources to protecting that evasive game bird, the American politician. A thoroughly hilarious comment thread ensues, in which a number of offended liberals (I assume) effectively accuse Will of playing Cassius in the future assassination of The Obama. Oh, into what dangers would you lead me, Willkinson, that you would have me seek into myself for that which is not in me?

The liberal argument against the private right to bear arms is made in bad faith. If they wish to more thoroughly curtail the legal possession of firearms, they should seek to amend the Constitution, clarifying the limits of that right. As it is, they are stuck arguing that the Second Amendment does not mean what it means, or, in another popular argument, saying that since modern militaries render armed resistance to state power futile, well, fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling. Other commenters point out that if we learn anything from the latter half of the twentieth century and the first decade of the twenty-first, it is that, duh, insurgency works, and gangs armed with rifles and RPGs can wear down great powers.

I tend to believe that the world could use more assassinations of presidents and potentates. If we are cursed forever to be ruled by such men, let them at least pay for their power by looking over their shoulder from time to time.

UPDATE: I would also like to note, for the record, that in the original Rome--and here is an argument for the thesis that the original is always better than the sequels--most of the best assassinations were carried out by the Secret Service.

86 comments:

b-psycho said...

Prepare to be misinterpreted...

Mr.Fundamental said...

well duh. the guy that most likely needs assassinating is the dude with the armed motorcade. logic 101 people, hello

la Rana said...

On his best days Wilkinson is a slightly more erudite Radley Balko. On his worst days, he is a slightly more erudite Radley Balko. See, e.g., application of a general principle to an anecdote as self evident.

In other news, most statements about the dangers of drugs are exxagerated or false. Therefore I will not overdose.

Cüneyt said...

And yet nonstate entities are as likely to be deputies as revolutionaries, as likely enforcers of greater powers as alternatives to those powers. The Maquisard and the stormtrooper, the militiaman and the irregular.

Mr.Fundamental said...

This Chinaman who peed on my rug, I
can't go give him a bill so what the
fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RE3WiehNos
Watch some goofball dressed like a snake carrying a basket of apples walk up to the Prime Minister and offer up some delicious original sin. The only security person who takes the encounter seriously is some 75 year old security guard.
Now imagine the same skit in the US.

Aaron said...

Praetorian Guard = Secret Service! That's funny. Not bad.

The thing about assassinating world leaders is, it seems to be a pretty ineffective way of gaining power. The people who do it are usually either (a) so fringe that no one saw them coming or (b) a juggernaut sealing some previous conquest. Alexander Berkmann and Gavrilo Princep didn't do so well for Anarchy and Serbia respectively. On the other hand, offing Tsar Nicholas and Saddam Hussein were arguably effective moves for the Bolsheviks and Iraqi Shiites, but hardly seem fodder for the "right to bear arms" contingent.

The only unambiguously successful political assassination I can think of in recent years is Yizhak Rabin. Not sure whether there's a generalizable principle there.

Anonymous said...

my favorite part of Wilkinson's gun post is the hilariously obvious red meat thrown to his liberal readers in his subsequent posts.

IOZ said...

Haha everyone! Aaron, your shameful sidelining of Leon Czolgosz is, uh . . . shameful. Free Hawaii!

Aaron said...

Yeah, but his flame burns eternally!

Anonymous said...

The liberal argument against the private right to bear arms is made in bad faith. If they wish to more thoroughly curtail the legal possession of firearms, they should seek to amend the Constitution, clarifying the limits of that right. As it is, they are stuck arguing that the Second Amendment does not mean what it means...

I realize that an earnest rebuttal here will get a Lebowski quote a best, but this is horseshit.

I grew up in a city (DC, 1977-1995) and and attended a series of schools (DCPS system) where getting shot by some jackass with a handgun was appallingly common. That fact shaped the lives of the people living in the city in terrible ways. I've never heard an argument from the gun nuts that carried a fraction of the weight of this simple argument from the actual costs on the ground of gun ownership in America.

As for legal principle: if our interpretation of the Second Amendment had any of the pliability we've seen in various Supreme Court readings the First Amendment over the last 200 years, no private citizen in the US today would own a handgun. "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech" -- does that sound ambiguous to you? And yet, does it sound anything like the country you live in?

Yes, I'd rather see the 2nd Amendment formally revoked rather than simply blunted by a purposive reading by the courts. But knowing about the hundreds of preventable deaths -- and the wider-ranging social consequences -- caused by by private gun ownership makes me care somewhat less for procedure than for substance in this area, particularly when the courts have never let a strict reading of the Bill of Rights stand in the way of judgments favoring the kinds of people whose kids DON'T get shot at their lockers after third period.

periscopedepth said...

"I shall appear at the next session of the Senate where you may confirm me in my position or not as you wish. But if it pleases you not to, explain your reasons to them. Not to me."

NutellaonToast said...

"As it is, they are stuck arguing that the Second Amendment does not mean what it means"

Yeah, 'cause it's not vague at all and isn't colored by the state of politics and technology at the time of its writing.

Or something?

Anonymous said...

Trustafarian indeed. Hey, dickboy, if you don't think they already "pay for their power" with paranoia, go rush towards Obama during a speech while reaching inside your jacket and yelling incoherently.

In the meantime, the non-bored jaded rich kids among us prefer not to try to live out some form of a survivalist whackjob fantasy, where power passes several times a year from one group of people with tanks and AK-47s to another.

AlanSmithee said...

Yeah! And, plus, you smell, too! Ha! Gotcha there!

David said...

Just as a curiosity, were high-school shooters able to legally carry in DC, or were they the sort of kids with, say, minimal concern about legality?

I'm a gun guy by any stretch, but I do wonder what private gun ownership necessary has to do with thuggery. I mean, the guns themselves don't vanish and reappear with SCOTUS interpretations, do they?

David said...

Should read "I'm not a gun guy..."

as I'm too hapless to handle one without inadvertently killing myself.

IOZ said...

Oh, this is a fine and excellent rebuttal at 1:33. The government impinges on the enumerated rights of which we approve all the time. We could waste our time worrying, or we could just harness the precedent to impinge on the enumerated rights of which we disapprove.

I just bought this fucking car last week! I kill your fucking car!

Anonymous said...

The government impinges on the enumerated rights of which we approve all the time. We could waste our time worrying, or we could just harness the precedent to impinge on the enumerated rights of which we disapprove.

Uh... yeah, pretty much. Since when did you start channeling the Textual Originalism of Antonin scalia?

In fact, aren't you the guy who generally calls bullshit when bad behavior by the privileged is ignored, while the same bad behavior by the non-privileged is featured on the nightly news? Poor people's interests are damaged by gun ownership. Rich people's interests are damaged by freedom of speech. Only the second gets gutted, and you spend your time screaming and yelling about how some liberals want the first to get gutted as well? And you don't understand why I'm calling your priorities into question?

Mr.Fundamental said...

anon@2:14 clearly had too good a time in the weed smoke thread.

IOZ said...

Poor people's interests are damaged by rich people, for the most part. Your argument is that it is important for rich people to prevent poor people from getting guns because they will shoot each other. And I'm the elitist? But, sure. What's the matter with Kansas, and all that. I think you may be out of your element, dear.

Anonymous said...

I think you may be out of your element, dear.

I'm out of my element? How many guns have you had shoved in your face, IOZ? Or did you not grow up in that kind of neighborhood?

Word to the wise: if you're a trust fund kid who grew up in a wealthy suburb, your thoughts on gun laws (or lack thereof) are really not that interesting to anyone who has lived with their consequences. Mmmkay, honey pie?

Anonymous said...

IOZ, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron.

Anonymous said...

I am not a trust fund kid, yet I did not have a gun shoved in my face. I also did not hang around low-IQ minority neighborhoods - not only are guns not in their best interest, neither is alcohol, lottery tickets, or genitals.

Not sure how government (the privileged guys with the big guns) disarming average peaceful folk (the ones who bother to obey laws) hurts the violent and anti-social elements. Don't impose emotion-based lessons from your dysfunctional childhood as national policy. Dude.

Mr.Fundamental said...

BLAWG!1!!

David said...

Is there a creamy filling of valid life experience that falls in between the two cookies of "trust fund kid", and "DCPS grad"?

Anonymous said...

I also did not hang around low-IQ minority neighborhoods

Lovely bedfellows you've got here, IOZ.

Anonymous said...

Is there a creamy filling of valid life experience that falls in between the two cookies of "trust fund kid", and "DCPS grad"?

If IOZ could point toward a harm suffered by people of his background as a result of gun control, and if the magnitude of this harm approached the magnitude of harm caused by gun ownership in American cities, it would be perfectly valid. He hasn't. Instead, he's articulated a highly abstract and theoretical second- or third-order harm. I have a certain amount of sympathy for abstract libertarian claims, but this is on the level of arguing that polio vaccination is a tyrannical assault upon children's interests. You would have to be a psychopath to make that argument with full knowledge of what you're actually advocating, which is why I attribute IOZ's position not to malice but to a profound innocence of what America's gun policies actually mean in the real world.

David said...

Isn't it possible that gun violence is a symptom and not the disease?

Freiheit said...

No, David, it's not, because it's for the CHILDREN!!!1

IOZ said...

Haha. I think it's funny that people think I really have a trust fund. Jealous!

Actually, yes, I have been threatened at gunpoint more than once, and I was mugged once by some dudes with a knife. The latter was in France, and we totally did not cover that lesson in French 301 Conversation Group. As for the former, what you think I buy my drugs at Nordstrom?

Otherwise, I suppose the clumsy interlocutors on behalf of the poor downtrodden victims of the poor downtrodden victims of the poor downtrodden victims have done me a favor by proving my point. I'm sure it is a comfort to "the poor," whomever they may be, that you know what's best for them.

In any case, gun control doesn't mostly affect the urban poor. It mostly affects the white middle class. So there's that, too.

IOZ said...

Also, uh, they're gonna kill that poor woman.

the_system said...

Word to the wise: if you're a trust fund kid who grew up in a wealthy suburb, your thoughts on gun laws (or lack thereof) are really not that interesting to anyone who has lived with their consequences. Mmmkay, honey pie?

And your thoughts on gun laws are not that interesting to the people who actually write the fucking gun laws, so your point is... what? That you and IOZ should both shut up?

Credentialism in all its forms is stupid.

Anyway,

I'm not a huge fan of the Second Amendment. Insurgency works, yes, but it always depends upon outside sources to supply it with arms and other resources. The state is never going to permit insurgents to freely procure weapons, after all, and the sort of weapons that are actually effective for that kind of thing are already tightly controlled if not straight-up illegal for private citizens to own. It's been quite a while since I've seen RPGs for sale at the local sporting goods store.

Nevertheless, the anti-gun interpretation of the second amendment is obviously made in bad faith on the plain grounds that #2 either provides for private ownership of firearms or else serves no discernible purpose whatsoever. And I have to agree with IOZ that simply ignoring (or twisting beyond recognition) the parts of the Constitution that don't back up your position so that you can have your way anyway isn't a very mature (or considerate of your fellow citizens) way of dealing with the issue.

Even the Temperance Movement had the courtesy to amend the damned thing.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it possible that gun violence is a symptom and not the disease?

I don't know anyone who thinks otherwise. So what? Doctors treat symptoms as well as diseases; if they didn't, the symptoms would kill many of their patients. So while we're busy creating the workers' paradise here in post-racial America or whatever the fuck, I think it might be a good idea to try to address some of this insane gun violence.

Look, I'm with the libertarians even on a lot of the specifics -- if crack cocaine had been legalized in 1980, DC would have been a much, much safer place to grow up. But to pretend that the benefits of gun ownership are of the same order of magnitude as its monstrous costs is just ridiculous, and is an argument I've only ever heard from people who grew up in sheltered environments.

Mr.Fundamental said...

they're gonna kill that poor woman! *flaps arms*

NSFW said...

I have a certain amount of sympathy for abstract libertarian claims, but this is on the level of arguing that polio vaccination is a tyrannical assault upon children's interests.

Really, this isn't an actual argument for anything. It's just a bored libertine lounging around, saying, "Hey, dude, you know what would be really cool? Like, some major political assassinations, brah. It would be, like, so retro 20th century Europe."

In the real world, most people wouldn't like to see deranged reactionaries routinely sniping anyone to the left of Franco because Glenn Beck said they was fixin' to come take our freedoms.

IOZ said...

It took 35 comments until someone got around to noticing that I spoke highly of assassination. Morans!

b-psycho still wins from the lead position, though.

Also most gun crimes committed by people with their legal, licensed, gun-controlled firearms happen to people of my pallor in neighborhoods much like those where I grew up. The guns that plague poor urban environments are of another provenance altogether.

Anonymous said...

Nevertheless, the anti-gun interpretation of the second amendment is obviously made in bad faith on the plain grounds that #2 either provides for private ownership of firearms or else serves no discernible purpose whatsoever.

There's no more hostile natives on the western border. No hostile occupying empire on the east. People quickly learned that militias made of average schlubs shit their pants and run away when bullets start flying, which is why they decided to let the state handle this shit. So yes, the amendment has outlived its usefulness and quite clearly was created in a specific context, which has nothing to do with suburban homeowners being afraid that the darkies are coming to steal our flatscreens.

Also, let me just say that if any of you pendejos pull any of your crazy shit with me, you flash a piece in this thread, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger 'til it goes "click."

David said...

But to pretend that the benefits of gun ownership are of the same order of magnitude as its monstrous costs is just ridiculous, and is an argument I've only ever heard from people who grew up in sheltered environments.

You do realize that gun ownership was illegal(at the very least, highly restricted, I'm surethe important people, as well as police, ex-police, etc had loopholes) in DC for entire time you lived there?

IOZ said...

So yes, the amendment has outlived its usefulness and quite clearly was created in a specific context, which has nothing to do with suburban homeowners being afraid that the darkies are coming to steal our flatscreens.

So . . . you agree that we should repeal it? See this is the thing. We did not get rid of the 3/5 clause by holding a city council meeting, nor did we rid ourselves of prohibition by giving Joe Kennedy a hall pass.

IOZ said...

This is fun!

Aaron said...

I agree that The Poor is a red herring (well, a hangover from Christian theology). I also think that people ought to be able to agree to regulate (i.e. "limit the supply of") unusually dangerous tools like AK-47s and semiautomatic handguns.

But the key questions would seem to be about the scale and legitimacy of communal institutions, not about the particular matter for regulation. It's totally f***ed up for an "international community" owned lock stock and barrel by the world's largest nuclear proliferators gets to tell certain countries they can't have atom bombs. But I do think teenagers should be barred by neighborhood associations or something from purchasing thermonuclear devices in the two weeks before the Fourth of July. Somewhere between the neighborhood association and the "international community" is where the real argument over gun rights lives. The argument that U.S. federal government does not represent a tangible enough community ("we the people" my ass!)to legitimate these kinds of judgments is reasonable to me.

But somebody's got to do this stuff. I mean, you're kind of failing La Rana's critique: most social control these days is by tyrannical state institutions, therefore it all goes out the window.

Aaron said...

And ahem, I noted that you spoke highly of assassination.

IOZ said...

That's true, Aaron, but you are the only person in the world who is more better righter than me, ever.

Enron said...

I just gotta say that neither narcotics nor firearms are made in DC, yet the town is plagued by it. Debates over the interpretation of the Second Amendment would not change it, and strict gun laws don't impact the level of violence in Lethalville too much either. Also, I am amazed how much assassination is not considered part of the norm for American history, considering how often it occurs relative to other countries.

the_system said...

It took 35 comments until someone got around to noticing that I spoke highly of assassination. Morans!

Dude, what about anon and 1:45?

the_system said...

P.S. I typed "and" when I meant "at." God save me!

P.P.S Aaron's post doesn't count because he only talked about the efficacy of assassination and didn't explicitly comment on your endorsement of it... or something.

P.P.P.S You can't really expect anybody to respond to flamebait that's as obvious as that.

I hate my job.

Inkberrow said...

No surprise that this debate so far is patriot-free. No quotes from two-fisted Americans who well understood the Prominently-Displayed Private Gun's centrality to personal freedom:

"Any unarmed people are slaves, or are subject to slavery at any time"---Huey P. Newton, Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. Power to the people.

Anonymous said...

Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a shit about the rules? Mark it zero!

Cüneyt said...

The freedom won by weapons
is a legacy of note
It's clear: the Founders wished us armed
yet kept us from the vote.

IOZ said...

Inky, I hope you're good-looking, because your comment for real turns me on.

lucid said...

but this is on the level of arguing that polio vaccination is a tyrannical assault upon children's interests.

... except of course, the polio vaccination had nothing to do with the eradication of polio.

Phillip Allen said...

Do we really trust the state so much that we want only the state to be armed?

Justin said...

A non-Lewbowski (Godfather) reference!? STAY IN YOUR FUCKING LANE, IOZ!!

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

LIAR:

"Anonymous" who said:

I grew up in a city (DC, 1977-1995) and and attended a series of schools (DCPS system) where getting shot by some jackass with a handgun was appallingly common.

My home town is DC, I lived there from 1961-1986. The only "appallingly common" thing that happened in DC during that time was gentrification by grasping asswipe yuppies.

Go fuck yourself, you lying libtard douchenozzle.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

LIAR redux:

How many guns have you had shoved in your face, IOZ?

Ricedick,

Squirt guns and starter's pistols aren't "guns" of the type you pissed your pants over then, nor the type that have you reaching for the string of your tampon now.

Grow a pair of testes already, you lying sack of invertebrate guano.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

LIAR part 3:

if crack cocaine had been legalized in 1980, DC would have been a much, much safer place to grow up.

Holy Whitebread Angst. You didn't grow up in DC. Not a fucking chance. You don't know jack about that town. It's comical to hear you talk about it as if you know it as home. You don't. You're gambling that IOZ's readers don't know it either.

You're wrong.

You're one of those terrified little milquetoasts who imagines that Mandingo is after his girlfriend.

Holy shit, you're a laugher.

Christopher M. said...

Do we really trust the state so much that we want only the state to be armed?

Dude, get real. A bunch of hicks with rifles and handguns does not a revolution make. Insurgency tactics or no, the U.S. government is the only gang around that's "armed" in any meaningful sense of the word. The guys in the East Bumblefuck Militia are just overgrown children playing Cowboys and Indians.

TGGP said...

I'm a fourth-generation NRA member (your first year is free!), but I'm with Yglesias that an insurgency will fail if the state is willing to do what it takes. I endorse replacing the standing army with militia though: the militia smartly declined to invade Canada in 1812.

Regarding D.C, I was actually conflicted about the Heller case. There's no reason to expect a city to have the same laws as a rural area (a lot of the earliest gun laws are basically noise ordinances) but Congress has jurisdiction.

ERM said...

It took 35 comments until someone got around to noticing that I spoke highly of assassination. Morans!

Brilliant, IOZ! That's a Swiss-fucking-watch if I understand it correctly.

Anonymous said...

'deranged reactionaries routinely sniping anyone to the left of Franco'
What you need is deranged Basque nationalists blowing up whoever is your equivalent of Carrero Blanco.

swayze said...

It took 35 comments until someone got around to noticing that I spoke highly of assassination. Morans!

Maybe because we agree with your assessment of that - kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out!

Are you sure you don't get your drugs at Nordstrom's? Either way, I hear you can something else you might like in the bathrooms at Nordstroms.

Oh, and WOLVERINES!!!

LA Confidential Pantload said...

Is that a pistol you're packin' or did you grow up in DC? Or something.

IOZ, this is the most awesomest thread ever.

Anonymous said...

Charles F. Ucknut:

I highly doubt you ever shuffled more than ten feet in any direction from the front stoop of the ABC store, so don't you fucking tell me what DC was or wasn't, even if you apparently are older than all fuck, you retarded dope fiend swamp-ass motherfucking cockbiter.

Dunc said...

Other commenters point out that if we learn anything from the latter half of the twentieth century and the first decade of the twenty-first, it is that, duh, insurgency works, and gangs armed with rifles and RPGs can wear down great powers.

Not convinced - I'm pretty sure it was largely down to frelling huge caches of high explosives, deployed mainly in the form of improvised anti-vehicle mines and mortars. Rifles and RPGs just don't do the job on their own - too much chance of getting involved in a actual fire fight.

Inkberrow said...

IOZ---you may safely let your fantasies run rampant. I am considered a veritable middle-aged Adonis in my suburban neighborhood. Visualize an even more magnetic Sean Hannity, sans the hair helmet, by way of late eighties Pauly Shore. And yes, a silver-plated derringer in my tasselled knee-highs.

dhex said...

"But to pretend that the benefits of gun ownership are of the same order of magnitude as its monstrous costs is just ridiculous"

gary kleck would argue otherwise. you might take issue with gary kleck's methodology, but even if he's off by a factor of 10, there are a hell of a lot of "get the fuck out of my shed/away from my car/away from me with that knife" moments that go unreported and constitute tens of thousands of potentially violent situations averted.

fwiw, i've never been shot at but i have been sliced (minor) and had someone try to kill me with their car. this makes me a moral authority on driving, btw.

LA Confidential Pantload said...

Of the five times I've been mugged here in Philadelphia, only one was at gunpoint. None of those incidents make me an authority on anything, but they did eventually teach me that only dickheads wander drunk into dark alleys.

David said...

fwiw, i've never been shot at but i have been sliced (minor) and had someone try to kill me with their car. this makes me a moral authority on driving, btw.

That really shouldn't count if the car in question was anything smaller than a full-size van.

IOZ said...

True story: my buddy got mugged by some fourteen-year-olds with some knives right up the street from his house. They made off with his Costco card and seven dollars, cash. Someone drove up just as they were running away and insisted on calling the cops. Cops made him drive around in the squad car all night long, looking for "the perps," then bitched him out when they dropped him off at home for wasting their time.

ChrisWWW said...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Seems reasonable to me to read the 2nd Amendment as specifically protecting the guns in the context of militias. Not to... you know... bring them to Presidential rallies.

If I had the choice, I would repeal the 2nd Amendment and specifically protect hunting and gaming guns that couldn't be easily concealed. If need be, they could be used in an armed uprising, but would be harder to carry around all year long.

TGGP said...

The prefatory absolute clause explains a motivation, but does not control the meaning of the main clause. "A well educated Electorate, being necessary to self-governance in a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed" does not mean you have to be a voter. Just a people.

How about banning handguns but legalizing the keeping and bearing of bazookas by the general populace?

ChrisWWW said...

TGGP,
The beginning of the sentence most certainly changes the meaning of the rest of the sentence. It establishes the reason why bearing arms should not be infringed. So why cant arms control be constitutional if it preserves the ability of citizens to arm themselves as a militia?

NutellaonToast said...

I'm sure the founding fathers had bazookas and RPGs in mind EXACTLY when they wrote that. In fact, they were original planning on mentioning them and only them, but Teddy Roosevelt said the word bazooka was ugly and that acronyms didn't belong in the consitution.

Everyone knows that.

mds said...

Haha. I think it's funny that people think I really have a trust fund.

Isn't it more of an allowance than an actual trust?

There's a certain tension between open carry of large firearms with a copious ammo capacity, and peaceable assembly to petition the government, but it would have been simplest for the Secret Service to e.g., allow the guy in Arizona to strut around rather than whisking him off to Guantanamo as most pwoggies preferred. Because pwoggies hate the 2nd and 10th with a passion, in order to pay back those particular 2nd fetishists who hate the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 19th, 23rd, 24th, and 26th. (Yahtzee!)

And in the Roman Republic, the assassinations were usually carried out by privately-hired street thugs (Marcus Livius Drusus) or by Senators and their informal posses (the Gracchi). In retrospect, professionalizing the assassination squads might not have been the best move.

TGGP said...

ChrisWWW, does my hypothetical "books" amendment permit the prohibiting of book-ownership by non-voters? If the reason Massachusetts passed a law when Kerry was running for president and Romney was governor was to ensure they were represented by a Democrat, why the hubbub about changing it for Ted Kennedy? Having governor Patrick appoint a senator fulfills the purpose of the law, even if it violates the text. Which controls? I'm with Spooner on this issue that the text, rather than intentions must do so.

Is bazooka really an acronym? I did not know that. It has more of a fun, onomatopoeia feel to it.

Kafka said...

Guns are awesome. And you don't have to own one if you don't want to. It's like abortion- it's awesome too but you don't have to have one if you don't want.

Oh, assassinations are good- or throwing shoes if that's all you have.

Sabotage is a good non-suicidal alternative open to most of us. Multiple angles to make a buck while you're at it too.

Anonymous said...

At some point I put a band aid on my bleeding heart and thought to myself "not only has the ship regarding everyone in America being armed to their teeth already sailed, but for future reference I might want to get in on that action myself," and that was that.

Phillip Allen said...

@ Christopher M:

"A bunch of hicks with rifles and handguns does not a revolution make. Insurgency tactics or no, the U.S. government is the only gang around that's "armed" in any meaningful sense of the word."

I don't see how this changes the substance of what I said. Yes, the armed power of the state (military, police, mercenaries, et. al.) is enormous, but why should I voluntarily disarm myself in the face of that power? Why should I cooperate with the state in my own disarmament? What I said has no bearing on the efficacy (or sanity) of any non-state armed formation.

ChrisWWW said...

TGGP,
I think your hypothetical amendment should be read in the same way I'm reading 2nd Amendment. Let's say there was a book made with a lead cover that was poisoning children, wouldn't the government be allowed to prevent the sale of the book? What if it was full of child porn? Because lead covers and child porn aren't necessary or even helpful at all to educating the citizenry, banning such books wouldn't be out of bounds under your law.

NutellaonToast said...

"Is bazooka really an acronym? I did not know that. It has more of a fun, onomatopoeia feel to it."

Yes it is, and RPG is not.

Good reading you do!

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

I highly doubt you ever shuffled more than ten feet in any direction from the front stoop of the ABC store, so don't you fucking tell me what DC was or wasn't, even if you apparently are older than all fuck, you retarded dope fiend swamp-ass motherfucking cockbiter.

I'll tell you what DC is because it's my family's home town and my home town for over 100 years, swamp-ass.

I bit clits, thanks. But I appreciate your baldfaced come-on as if you want me on your willie.

Sad to say you'll have to enlist another for that gambit. I'll watch and laugh though!

ABC stores aren't needed in DC, and if you actually grew up there, you'd know this. ABC stores are products of Blue Law jurisdictions, of which DC is NOT one.

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