Thursday, September 24, 2009

Cheney/Obama

Confronted with the titanic failure of the Obama administration to live up to a single one of his progressive supporters' more or less fervent dreams, our Progressive cuts open the steaming belly of Dick Cheney and offers it as shelter: Well, would you rather still be living in there? I always say that I find Cheney preferable. I don't deny the reality of his secretiveness, his evident disdain for what good-government types call "transparency," but I propose that even a cursory examination of his character, his habits of speech, his patterns of thought as they emerged over the years, show that his commitment to the practices of secrecy are superficial compared to his deeper and more discomfiting trait of frankness. He was a blunt, misanthropic curmudgeon of a man, he kept his cards close and his subversions of the constitutional order closer, and yet it seems to me that he was and has been forthright about his luciferian principles when asked. Indeed, he famously put them right in the open at the very outset of our supposed post-9/11 era when he said quite plainly that we must tread on the dark side. I am not absolving him of prevarication. Like all politicians, he lied and dissembled. He wasn't above telling tales, and he certainly hated specifics the way all humanity hated the dentist before the advent of laughing gas. But Cheney, as a matter of character, was always willing to tell you that the dress made you look fat. If not entirely above flattering America with lies about its inherent nobility, he was markedly less prone to such nonsense than most pols, and when one regards his eight viceroyal years, what emerges, perhaps surprisingly, is far less the portrait of a blinkered neocon hoping for democracy to bloom in the desert than a man whose American exceptionalism is heterodox--is, at last, an understanding that we are an empire or hegemon and that preserving the prerogatives of such primacy require brutality.

Also he was unpopular, deeply so, whereas Obama maintains a deep reservoir of good will and a legion of loyal defenders despite clearly pursuing the same practical path. Obama is certainly more charming than Dick Cheney, but his rhetorical openness is the superficial dressing behind which lurks a much more opaque character. It doesn't require embracing some birth-certificate paranoia to ask, who is Obama?--not to ask: where did he come from, what is his citizenship, who are his secret masters?; instead, to ask: what does he believe, what are his governing principles? And that, I think, is a trickier question. Well, in the first place, I think that his American exceptionalism is orthodox. He believes the cant. He thinks this is the greatest country in the world, the greatest force for good in history as he himself once put it, although he is plainly willing to go far, far into the supposedly forsworn territory of evil Cheney in pursuit of . . . global freedom? What? Since taking office, he has ratified the policies of domestic surveillance that supposedly marked his predecessors as uniquely intrusive, has continued their policies of detention, has expanded a war, has reaffirmed rendition, i.e. kidnapping, is building a bigger, better concentration camp at Bagram, etc. etc. Practically speaking, he is at least Cheney's equal, with two exceptions. One: he is the president. Two: he is immensely popular.

Many liberals and progressives and suchlike will tell you, and not without some reason, that they oppose these policies now as they did before, that they condemn them in this administration as they did in the last. But it takes no special powers of discernment to see that their hearts aren't in it, that the frequency and fervor of their criticism is greatly diminished, that the prospect of some or other bullshit, half-assed, health-insurance subsidy causes them to pull their punches, and that their temperamental preference for Obama is a fine substitute in their minds for substantive improvement. When they begin suggesting that he be impeached, as they yowled about Cheney, I will take them more seriously in their complaints that I and others like me target them unfairly. They remain "supporters" of this president. Well, why does he need, and why does he deserve anybody's support?

71 comments:

The Promiscuous Reader said...

I was listening to Democracy Now! this morning, and guess who their guest was? Why, Michael Moore. His discomfort was audible if not palpable. On the one hand, he recognizes that Obama has not lived up to his many hopes. On the other hand, he still hopes that Obama is playing eleven-dimensional chess with his opponents; he just doesn't realize that he and the American people in general are Obama's opponents. So, when he was listing the many crimes involved in the Bush junta's handling of the economic crisis, he couldn't quite bring himself to include Obama among the conspirators. So yeah, impeach him, I'm game.

When it comes down to it, though, the impeachment will probably be for irrelevancies, like Clinton's. There's the rub.

JRB said...

I like to point to the modern progressive's relationship with the state.

Not that there is a relationship, but that it is the wrong kind.

Christopher M. said...

You've used this logic a number of times before, and there seems to be something staggeringly naive about it every time. Obama is not only as bad as Cheney, but actually worse - because he's superficially nicer and more popular, and if he were meaner and less popular, he'd be Dick Cheney, and then he'd be... any less successful in doing what he's doing, at all, whatsoever?

There's a logical leap you're making from "liberals like him, even though they shouldn't" to some practical implication this has for the functioning of the American Empire (the "he's worse" part of it). What, do you think that if Digby and Yglesias and Markos Moulitsas all wrote a thousand angry blog posts about how mean and nasty Obama was, it would make a single bit of difference, any more than it made when they were writing about Bush and Cheney?

Watching Obama kill and torture is more frustrating than watching Cheney kill and torture, because there are far fewer people willing to call Obama a killer and a torturer than were willing to say the same of Cheney. But that's the only difference between the two - our subjective feelings of frustration. A corpse is a corpse, regardless of the approval ratings of the president who produced it.

Phillip Allen said...

Raising substantive criticism of Obama's policies in some quarters is as difficult as suggesting that JFKennedy was anything other than the sainted martyr to progressive liberalism.

Mr.Fundamental said...
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IOZ said...

I don't find it frustrating in the least.

Montag said...

what's more frustrating for me isn't watching Obama kill and torture, but watching my friends and loved ones watching Obama (kill and torture) with a fucking gleam in their eye.

their temperamental preference for Obama is a fine substitute in their minds for substantive improvement.

not sure that makes Obama worse but i grok where IOZ is coming from when he says he finds Cheney "preferable."

Jon said...

It seems, more and more, that the putative left lets slide Obama's excellent continuation of Bush because they never really had any problem with the abuses of empire, of state, of class -- directed as they always were towards those pathetic Others both foreign and domestic -- but rather with the fact that Jerkface Bush, Repugnican Regnant, did them. Now that Obama is trying them on for size, we find torture and whatnot is really not all that bad. Statecraft, really.

Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy said...

Lest anyone think they're the same, consider their positions on gay marriage.

Anonymous said...

I'd be happy to call for his impeachment... but what then?

I mean, to call for someone's impeachment is to propose a course of action. In order to propose a course of action, one must believe that it will have some positive result.

But Obama's impeachment would result in a Biden presidency. What then? "Impeach Biden!" Ok. What then?

And so on.

In other words, "whaddawegonnadoooooo?"

For myself, I'm content to sit back and write spiteful (and wholly ineffective) blog posts criticizing Obama and stating that indefinite detention, suspension of habeas rights, continual 4th amendment violations, etc, are impeachable offenses no matter who commits them.

Anonymous said...

Donks do not love thee, Dr Fell,
The reason why they cannot tell;
But this I know, and know full well,
Donks do not love thee, Dr Fell.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fell

switters said...

Honestly, and I do mean this sincerely, is it really fair to compare someone who's been in office not even 10 months to someone who was in office for 8 years?

No one's more cynical than I am (okay, you are), but, as usual, it's politics as usual. It just seems that this time, it's politics not-as-usual-as-usual. I.e., Turn that frown upside down, get out of the bitter barn and come play in the hay!

Anyways, I'll defer to Charlie Pierce.

Brian M said...

Ioz: I hate to fall all over you (and given that I am plump, middle aged and hairy I doubt you would want such falling) but....Bravo, man....Bravo.

Anonymous said...

Obama's polling has dipped significantly since taking office, to a degree that it's no longer accurate to say that he's immensely popular. (Indeed, the MSM sez: "Why everybody hates Obama so much?") Also, he was never popular with conservatives, just at Bush/Cheney were never popular with liberals.

But the frustrating part is that, unlike Bush/Cheney, Obama remains fairly popular among many of the people who are vehemently opposed to all the shitty torture/war/surveillance stuff we complain so much about here (which is not the majority of liberals, but a small subset). So much so that they've organized remarkably little to oppose the wars in the past two years, one exception being the upcoming actions on Oct. 5th that will no doubt be drastically smaller than previous protests, and "respectful" and "supportive" in tone.

The juiciest bit is that IOZ's argument rests on the assumption that protesting, pressuring, or otherwise opposing the actions of one's government can make one's government less dangerous (because his primary complaint about Obama is that his popularity precludes such opposition). Which leads me to ask, then why aren't you out in the P-burg black bloc today, instead of sitting at your desk decrying the lack of opposition?

Brian M said...

switters: given who he has appointed to positions of power.

given his own policy statements

given his explicit and specific actions.

given who his supporters are (real $upporter$:

Why in the hell should we give him a break? He has told us already what his priorities are.

Mayb if we elect 100 Digby-approved Senators and 400 Talk Left supported Reps and every governor is a liberal Democrat...then we can look for real action. Until that happens, it is our DUTY to support Dear Leader.

I wish Jello Biafra would write a Kalifornia Uber Alles for 2009. Sadly, I think he has drunk the koolaid.

IOZ said...

The juiciest bit is that IOZ's argument rests on the assumption that protesting, pressuring, or otherwise opposing the actions of one's government can make one's government less dangerous (because his primary complaint about Obama is that his popularity precludes such opposition).

Were you listening to the dude's story?

Christopher M. said...

The Dude wasn't telling his story very well.

ERM said...

Oh my god, yes. The new banner, I mean. You really always deliver to the blogfans sitting in the Home section.

Christopher M. said...

Jon has it right, several comments up: what's notable about the liberal response to Obama is that while Obama was escalating the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan, expanding our torture camp at Bagram, stamping his seal on extraordinary rendition and indefinite detention, etc., liberals were largely applauding him. He only started riling up the base when he started openly fucking over health care reform - which is to say, something that actually affects them, something they actually care about.

IOZ says that Cheney is preferable because he shows the naked face of American empire; Obama, however, shows the naked face of its supporters, as the former anti-war and anti-torture liberals have largely either fallen silent about the atrocities committed by their chosen leader, or have become eager cheerleaders for them. It's a stark reminder of who actually opposes torture and empire in this country, and just how marginal and meaningless that opposition is. As for which is preferable, well, that's like being asked whether you prefer getting your head caved in with a hammer or a brick.

BDR said...

Didn't Heinz remove the pickle from its labels?

Mr.Fundamental said...

Well call them up and explain it to
'em, Walter! Your plan is so fucking
simple, I'm sure they'd fucking
understand it! That's the beauty of
it Walter!

Anonymous said...

Were you listening to the dude's story?

You argued that Obama is more dangerous than Cheney because he's more popular (oh, and because he's President?) -- because "liberals and progressives and suchlike will tell you . . . that they oppose these policies now as they did before . . . [but] their hearts aren't in it." It follows that you think he would be less dangerous than Cheney if liberals and progressives and suchlike were more heartfelt/whatever in their opposition to his policies. Imperial guvment-opposed is less dangerous than imperial guvment-unopposed. Not quite necessitating a Lebowski dismissal, no? IOZ wants him some liberal protesters in the streets right now, dammit! And an angry blogpost or two from Kos!! This also assumes that we have a functioning democracy whereby government policy is fashioned according to pressure from partisan constituents (e.g., for a Democratic administration: liberals and progressives), instead of corporate oligarchs who have very little party loyalty (tsk, tsk).

And yeah, you pretty much created a post-length "wolf in sheep's clothing" argument. But I agree, even if it's not terribly convincing for the unfaithful. Either way, Christopher M. is right. There's very little real opposition going on, and even many of the tiny, insignificant minority of real anti-war radicals are still giving Obama the benefit of the doubt. It's fucking depressing.

Montag said...

etiquette question: are blog posts supposed to stand alone? or can one expect the reader to acknowledge that individual posts are part of an ongoing work where themes and basic principles need not be restated?

nony said...

I see what you're saying, Chris, but I believe the answer is italicized above: Cheney's character is preferable to Obama's, even if only seen from up here in the defeatist rafters (if you'll permit the double meaning and the metaphor). It's kinda the same reason I was fond of the Blagojevich scandal. It's startling and a relief to see someone quit the role of politician and state the truth, even briefly or accidentally, and comical to witness the audience insist the show must go on even after the whole thing's been revealed to be mere theater. Obama's acting is better at creating the suspension of disbelief, and everyone's applauding. Yawn.

But, as they say, there's no accounting for taste.

Justin said...

Wait... I thought Obama was still campaigning for president. When did he win the election?

Mr.Fundamental said...

It follows that you think he would be less dangerous than Cheney if liberals and progressives and suchlike were more heartfelt/whatever in their opposition to his policies.

nobody here is trying to convince anyone here that there is very little substantive difference between Cheney and Obama and their respective actions and policies and the outcome. (queue SteveB interjection) maybe what we're trying to figure out and resolve is why so many people prefer Obama, and call them out on it.

when this party's over,
it will start again,
will not be any different,
will be exactly the same.

Mr.Fundamental said...

It follows that you think he would be less dangerous than Cheney if liberals and progressives and suchlike were more heartfelt/whatever in their opposition to his policies.

and just as an fyi, the only solution proposed here is the dissolution and dispersion of the power concentrated in the hands of Obama and Cheney and their ilk. no good can come from them, or from that force and that power. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to believe that it could.

IOZ said...

We strive to live in the present, Montag. Otherwise, Mr. Fun asks the right question at 12:44, while Jon, defying all laws of causality and connection, answers it in advance at 10:30 AM.

Anonymous said...

I hate it when y'all make me repeat myself.

To really understand IOZ's point here, the first thing you have to do is ask yourself which he finds preferable: Dred Scott or the 14th Amendment.

Then if and when you understand why it is the former, you'll be well on your way to fully grokking his Weltanschauung.

switters said...

Uh, guys?

Let me just slip this in. The day President Obama starts listening to the Stalinist retards at dailykos is the same day government becomes the solution to the problem. Again.

He's right where he should be: left of center. Let him at least try to do his job before we pre-criticise him for what really amounts to whining progressive "causes", such that they are.

Now tune the radio in your 84 Volvo back to NPR where it belongs.

Christopher M. said...

Donny, you're out of your element.

Mr.Fundamental said...

yeah, I was going to add that this is just politics working as it is supposed to work.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Fun (12:44/1:00), you mistakenly think that I disagree with you. Anyway, here's some logic you may appreciate, carried out to hilarious effect (Torrey was the conservative candidate). My point about IOZ's criticism of liberal non-opposition is that it seems contradictory to his common refrain that progressive opposition is futile anyway (i.e., does he really think that liberals/progressives are capable of affecting policy decisions, or not? If not, then it matters little that Obama is more popular than Cheney, or worse than Cheney because of it). Personally, I prefer Cheney/Bush (or McCain) to Obama because I think they were making the country and the empire weaker, and a weakened government is more favorable for anarchy.

Enron said...

Um, I think the point is that if there was no Federal government, there would be no legal requirements for the Dred Scott ruling, and then no need to ratify the 14th Amendment to overturn the prior prevailing juridical discourse.

druff said...

Your new banner is a hilarious play on RigInt! Loves it.

Anonymous said...

But Enron, even if one grants that IOZ would prefer a world in which neither were ever necessary, it is still logically possible in this world for him to find one less execrable than the other. And in that restricted context, I claim he would find Dred Scott less execrable.

NutellaonToast said...

Name two things that you don't like which aren't functionally equivalent.

GO!

NutellaonToast said...

If they're so equivalent, and Dick is such a forthwright guy, how come The Chenmeister himself says there's a difference?

ALSO.

Mr.Fundamental said...

@anon2:21PM

I didn't necessarily think we disagreed. it doesn't all have to be a 1 or a 0, we're both free to do as we please here, including modifying and retracting, or solidifying and congealing our opinions and positions.

now my question is: are you familiar with the term, BLAWG?!?

as people far more reasonable than I have mentioned here, there are degrees of resistance and rejection. we often come back to voting. a vote can be seen as a tokenism, so why bother? yet voting is what gets us our leaders and our state. similarly: why were progressive and liberal types bitching so profusely and maudlinly (did I do that right? lol) under the W Bush admin, and now so patient and quiet under the Obama administration, when there is very little (if any) change in what the new admin is doing from the previous admin? how are W Bush's sins more egregious than Obama's? (are they waiting with baited breath for the bodies of evidence to pile up?) that's the question from which this entire post is extrapolated. W Bush (or Cheney for that matter) may have wielded the power bestowed upon him. . .like a bull in a China shop. or kid in a candy shop. and maybe he weakened the empire. that still runs parallel with the logic that Obama is a reversion to mean, and that liberals and progressives, like their conservative and neocon constituents (for what is one without the other?), want a healthy, vibrant empire, with all the requisite trappings: obfuscation, dead foreigners, etc. is that not the correct logic?

my only response nowadays is to not answer the question. don't answer that, it's a trap! you've gotta be Zen master with the politically charged. unreal. hold their hands, calm their nerves. have a spot of tea, whathaveyou. get fucking baked off of your ass, or just plain old fuck until the eyes roll to the back of your head and you forget the question. just don't answer. be your own little one person empire: obfuscate, hide the bodies, be a hypocrite in your very own home (or head), etc. ymmv.

Justin said...

Probably the biggest recurring mistake made in these comment threads is to assume that IOZ intends to do anything other than to simply describe the ridiculous, murderous and manic character of American political culture, make a few jokes at its expense. I don't think he does much imagining of alternate worlds or words. Its just what is, and what is is absurd and it is enough for IOZ to leave it at that.

Mr.Fundamental said...

or, you know, laugh and make fun of it all. LOL

BLAWG!

Kafka said...

Great post IOZ- thank you

nony said...

The true rabbis have spoken.

Inclusive Onanistic Zone

Mr.Fundamental said...

!!!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah . . . blawg.

Except that the post is about how Obama is worse than Cheney. The reasons du IOZ, as far as I could make out:

(1) Obama is more dishonest than Cheney

(2) Obama is President, Cheney was only Vice President

(3) Obama is more popular, which means that liberals/progressives oppose him less

I gently call bullshit on #3 because, if it is true that Obama's popularity makes him more dangerous than Cheney by muting liberal/progressive opposition to Obama's Cheney-like policies, then it must also be true that liberal/progressives are actually capable of affecting these policies in a positive way if they wanted to (i.e., didn't like his ass so much). They're not. Not only because they don't want to, but because they can't. The Presidency isn't set up to work that way. IOZ's argument is contradictory because, if Obama is primarily serving the interests of the corporate empire, and not dictating policy according to criticisms from liberal/progressive "constituents", then it matters little if liberals/progressives criticize him, which makes him no more dangerous than Cheney in that respect. However, I do think he could be more dangerous than Bush/Cheney if he proves to be better at managing the empire than his predecessors, but not because his popularity silences liberals (who, when it comes to foreign policy, mostly just argue over carrots v. sticks anyway).

Mr.Fundamental said...

and again, Obama's character is worse than Cheney's. his actions aren't really all that different, or for that matter, worse.

erin4iraq said...

Agreed, great post.

But I'd add that I perceive the real problem for Obama is that he has no clue what else to do other than continue with prior practices, and fears having to deal with the ramifications of changing them.

I think this for the very reason IOZ points out - no one knows who Obama is or what he really cares about. It takes someone of immense conviction to continue leading in one direction and stick with it despite opposition (like Cheney). Obama is all sound bites that contradict one another from day to day, as if he isn't aware that someone is keeping track. It's all about today and looking good and being cool.

mac said...

Snip/Obama is all sound bites that contradict one another from day to day, as if he isn't aware that someone is keeping track.

Prove it.

Enron said...

"He has no clue what else to do other than continue with prior practices, and fears having to deal with the ramifications of changing them."
Or alternatively, his ideological trappings are complicated by the entrenched power structure. Namely, he will behave, if he doesn't want his wife to make the Jackie Onassis gasface. It's not as if he isn't aware of alternatives, but he wanted to play President, and this requires subservience and compromises.

zoisiohw said...

So Ioz,I guess you were on the front lines of this clash?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090924/ap_on_re_us/g20_summit_protests

Anonymous said...

"Since taking office, he has ratified the policies of domestic surveillance that supposedly marked his predecessors as uniquely intrusive..."

the problem with this assertion is that it is unverifiable and almost certainly false. you have no clue how far cheney went w/ domestic surveillance, and none of us will likely find out for sure until investigations reveal more details.

people didn't know about the extent of nixon's criminality until the Church Report (some years later). nixon -- cheney's hero -- spied on journalists, Supreme Court justices, Congressmen, minority activists, etc. etc. etc., and i'm willing to bet cheney went much, much further.

think about it. the information age has given today's govt agents the ability to deploy surveillance tools that are far more intrusive than the ones available to nixon's black-bag henchmen (i.e., keyloggers, van eck extractions, miniaturized cameras/microphones, etc.)

what makes you think cheney didn't get his police-state acolytes at langley and fort meade to use these wonderful new toys in ways that obama would not think of doing? is it that farfetched to believe that cheney would turn these tools towards, say, the NYT investigative reporters who broke the surveillance stories? ... what abt sy hersh? ... or inspectors general investigating abuses in the executive branch? ... or anyone standing in the way of the profits of the military-industrial complex which he so ably led in the 1990s?

IOZ said...

I like the fact that you're willing to bet on something you claim to be entirely unknowable, 4:55. I have a land deal that might interest you.

A disappointment, zoisiohw.

Anonymous said...

just drawing reasonable inferences from facts dude

Anonymous said...

"the problem with this assertion is that it is unverifiable and almost certainly false."

Really? Perhaps I missed the news stories of Obama changing course on state secrets, surveillance, etc., but last I checked, he hadn't done so. Implicit ratification is still ratification.

bill said...

Oh that Ioz, he's so naughty! He said Obama is worse than either Cheney or Timothy McVeigh! Well I think Hitler has been misunderstood, the Manson family was the vanguard of the revolution, and Sarah Palin has more intellectual integrity than Paul Krugman. Now everybody has to pay attention to me.

b-psycho said...

If the U.S. general public, and by extension the world, are just going to get butt-raped, then there's a residual measure of decency in acknowledging the violation and simply not giving a fuck vs pretending it isn't happening.

I suspect for the most part Ioz would agree with that sentiment.

Anonymous said...

There seem to be two modes of thought here as far as retorts are concerned:

1) "Yeah IOZ, didn't you know the system is a mess? Way to go champ! WADDYAGONNADOBOUTIT?"

These people are, of course, new.

2) "Yeah, well, we don't know that for sure, mannnnnn. Maybe he's a mass murderer, but I think he might be doing it against his better judgement sometimes. Sure, he may be more effective at getting us to do these terrible things, but that doesn't make him worse."

Some of these people are not new. They are also completely terrifying and probably pseudointellectuals who will spend tonight w/some cheap Chilean red and a Fugazi CD.

Montag said...

4:55/5:03,

the new administration intends to continue using the "state secrets privilege" to shut down court cases that originated during the Bush years. LarryE has the scoop. indeed one of the cases that the Obama admin has already invoked this power on involves the warrantless interception of telephone calls.

dhex said...

what's not to like about fugazi?

i am a patient boy, i wait i wait i wait i wait...

Taktix® said...

And I thought Cheney smelled bad on the outside!

Love the new grafix, by the way...

Anonymous said...

Montag at 4:55 - that's precisely why there's a parallel to the 14th Amendment as an institutionalization of bad things in the name of good things.

nony said...

I know it smells bad, but it'll keep you warm.

Anonymous said...

So Obama is the 14th Amendment to Cheney's Dred Scott? That comparison, if I understand it correctly, is ingenious. It's a Swiss fucking watch.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 11:22 - in case you weren't being sarcastic, I feel compelled to point out that the comparison isn't mine - it's really IOZ's - he just doesn't always take the time to say what he means. Also, it's worthwhile to remember the opinion of the Marxist revisionists (Beard) that what the North was really after was not the defense of the "Negro" but the elimination of any attempts by individual states to restrict the power of corporations (which, as you recall, had been Federally granted the status of "people" a little while earlier in American history.)

Anonymous said...

Yes, I was being sarcastic. When IOZ actually makes that argument, then I'll care. And I doubt it's worthwhile to remember the opinion of the Marxist revisionists.

Anonymous said...

anon 1135 - well color me chastised !

Steven Augustine said...

Coca Cola got a groovy new CEO who reads poetry and quotes Dylan... and we're all shocked and disappointed that they're still ... bottling Coke.

hv said...

Sweet, sweet post.

TGGP said...

http://www.daveexmachina.com/wordpress/?p=2297
I remember encountering someone giving a half-defense of the Nazis by saying at least they admitted to being Nazis or something like that. I'm sorry, but I have to go with the lesser of two evils. Obama: at least he's not Cheney!

Anonymous said...

you're missing the point, TGGP. Cheney initiated, but didn't institutionalize. Obama is taking care of that, and that's why he's worse.

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