Tuesday, January 05, 2010

Cerebrotonic Cato May Extol the Ancient Disciplines

When last we encountered Roger "B. Kenneth Simon Chair in Constitutional Studies & Director, Center for Constitutional Studies" Pilon of the CATO institute, he was perserverating over the Congrefs' failure to exempt an entire industry from criminal and civil liability for all past and future law-breaking, because terrorism. The CATO Institute: one more reason to renounce libertarianism, i.e. the company you keep. Of course, CATO has long been home to a great gaggle of Beltway hacks with a few classically liberal iconoclasts hiding in the corners, and perhaps it's not quite fair to condemn the whole program because of a single slip up, and yet Pilon is CATO's ranking man on Constitutional questions, though he does not appear to have ever encountered the Constitution.

Anyway, here is Pilon dampening his underoos over the President's failure to fight at the landside terminal, fight in the security lines, fight on the light-rail to airside, fight in the concourse, fight on the jetway, etc. etc. up unto Never Surrender! All this because some guy set his pants on fire! So, to summarize. The Totally Coherent Libertarian Position™ is that society should not only disassemble and destroy all its systems of public provision because FICA represents an unforgiveably grievous violation of individual liberty, but also dismantle the system of adversarial justice in its entirety because a presumed guilty party should not be allowed an attorney based on the miniscule possibility that some African is gonna make his panties go ka-boom. How does that reconcile? On the one hand, libertarianism advocates a free society in which there is necessarily economic inequality but considers it an unforgiveable sin to use tax revenue to give the inevitable lower orders some semblance of human comfort and safety; on the other hand, it advocates a society where the slightest risk of physical harm to air travelers is cause for the suspension of the Constitutional Order and the declaration of martial law. Yuh. Okay. That's really a robust and well-conceived philosophy of liberty you've got there.

It's unfair to tarnish all self-professed libertarians with Roger Pilon. Certainly there are plenty of nineteen-year-old gutter-punk "anarchists" with whom I would not wish to be associated, at least, uh, intellectually, although admittedly, assuming a preparatory bath, I do find something . . . tempting in the whippet-thin, gristly, and dredlocked. And yet . . . the embarrassingly rebellious adolescents who constitute the rump end of anarchy are just kids, whereas the most embarrassingly stupid, inconsistent, popmpous, and authoritarian clowns that libertarian thought has produced seem inevitably to end up running the think tanks. Well, institutions produce idiocy; it's a natural law. And yet, since to some degree libertarianism promotes itself as a strategy for governing a representative democracy, as, in other words, a viable (if as-yet unpopular) political philosophy for overseeing the institutions of the republic, doesn't it stand to reason that one consider the extant institutions of libertarianism, how they are peopled, and who is running the show?

71 comments:

Anonymous said...

And there are those "libertarians" who enjoy an intoxicant while watching the house of cards comming apart and trying to stay out of debris' way.

Let the dead bury their dead, whatever labels they affix to themselves.

The Christians

Anonymous said...

It's "Cato," not "CATO."

And I'm pretty sure I've said it before, but not all libertarians are Cato-flavored. More than a few follow the philosophy espoused by The Christians, supra.

Montag said...

dipshit with a nine-toed woman.

Anonymous said...

I can't leave him home alone or he eats the furniture.

mds said...

Yeah, I'd ordinarily point out that Tim Berners-Lee, Julian Sanchez, or their ilk are much better examples of Cato libertarians who are pretty good on, you know, liberty. But it is awfully hard to get around "Director, Center for Constitutional Studies." It's certainly okay to have a diversity of opinions at a think tank, but a really bad sign to make a fox the B. Kenneth Simon Chair in Henhouse Security.

Anonymous said...

Diversity uber alles!

Let's stop pretending that everyone is equally likely to set their pants on fire while yodeling about the glory of an imaginary creature. Applying reality-based discrimination to limited security resources makes sense. And instead of engaging in security theater (retarded TSA responses like full body scans or taking Play-Doh away from kids) OR justice theater (giving a terrorist some hack lawyer so they can file motions and waste paper), taking these people seriously would seem to make sense.


And yes, for all you fuckheads who can't bother to actually make a cogent point, I didn't even listen to the dude's story.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous:1:31PM

Are we letting bedwetter-Americans in here now?

Mr.Fundamental said...

dipshit with a nine-toed woman.

Mongo said...

Harumph!

This made my day - thanks IOZ

mds said...

Giving legal representation to someone accused of a crime by the state, and allowing said legal representation to submit paperwork, is now "Justice Theater." I smell a future director of Cato's Center for Constitutional Studies.

Anonymous said...

Is it any wonder Pilon closes "Is it any wonder that the dots were not connected" not with a question mark, but with a single unconnected dot, the period? It won’t be until Cato-flavored libertarians start taking this punctuation war seriously, or at least 'till we get the popo off da block.

IOZ said...

This is your only I.D.?

Anonymous said...

I know my rights, ...man.

Enron said...

"All this because some guy set his pants on fire!" Hah!

"Your Commie has no regard for human life, not even of his own. For this reason men, I want to impress upon you the need for extreme watchfulness. The enemy may come individually, or in strength. He may even appear in the form of our own troops. But however we must stop him."

Inspector Lee said...

The Cato Institute induces rough trade fantasies?

Ali, patron god of street boys.

Anonymous said...

It appears that what happened here is that the IOZ read Yglesias' blog post and then did a more farout version of his post.

Style doesn't subsitute for substance. You might want to actually read the other stuff Cato people are putting out on defense and civil liberties, which is pretty iconoclastic by beltway standards and indicates that the classic liberals may do more than hide in the corners.

IOZ said...

Regrettably, it's true, standards have fallen.

Mr.Fundamental said...

Of course, you do get the good with the bad. The new technology permits us to do exciting things with interactive erotic software. Wave of the future, Dude. 100% electronic.

IOZ said...

I still perform my checkpoint patdowns manually.

Mr.Fundamental said...

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

mds said...

I still perform my checkpoint patdowns manually.

Well, that would certainly put you on my "watch" list.

TGGP said...

Pilon has something of a history of sins against libertarianism. Cato apparently has very lax standards, because I would have thought he'd be excommunicated by now.

Also, does anyone else find it weird that someone at Cato is explicitly recommending the president follow the example of FDR?

Happy Jack said...

There's nothing weird about the tentacles of the Kochtopus.

Anonymous said...

The Totally Coherent Libertarian Position™ is that society should not only disassemble and destroy all its systems of public provision because FICA represents an unforgiveably grievous violation of individual liberty, but also dismantle the system of adversarial justice in its entirety because a presumed guilty party should not be allowed an attorney based on the miniscule possibility that some African is gonna make his panties go ka-boom. How does that reconcile?

Ooh, ooh, me me! Because libertarianism is just an form of apologetic for those whose interest it is to ensure the continued existence of those inevitable lower orders, and the repression of same. Oh, and legalizing pot too, because rich folk like that as much as having Hispanic maids motivated by the possibility of ICE detention?

What do I win?

Enron said...

Like Herbert Spencer with a stogie.

Anonymous said...

awesome.

If I cared about saving libertarianism, or the CATO Institute, I would more about how no education policy employee could get away with shilling for the NEA or how no budget policy flunky could get away with calling for more spending and higher marginal taxes.

But the Pilon goes on, dada do, dada da.

Anonymous said...

I'll give The CATO Institute $1.99 if they fire The Pilon.

Anonymous said...

5:28 - The lower orders do a fine job repressing themselves, dipshit.

Anonymous said...

So, its either 'gutter punk anarchists' or Roger Pilon? What about, uh, everybody else?

For most libertarians, libertarianism is less a "strategy for governance" than it is a blueprint for dismantlement. That Cato pretends otherwise is merely the first thing they get wrong.

'Get close to Washington, turn into a swamp creature' isn't a very original point, but I don't see much else going on here

Michael Dawson said...

Kind of reminds me of Ron Paul's laissez-faire policies on labor migration...

Enron said...

What's so hard about rockin' a handle? I always wished the capitol never moved either. Blame the planters.

Anonymous said...

On a second thought, MD may simply be a bot, given that his posts make little to no sense inthe context.

Te Christians

Michael Dawson said...

Say wha, Anon? One assumes you don't know what Paul recommends on immigration. Take a look. It's an exact parallel of Mr. Pilon's state-fascist ravings.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul_Immigration.htm

The parallel would be what, you disagree with both of them (i.e. they're fascists)? Or that both of them have tarnished their libertarian bonafides?

Immigration is a contentious issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration

Anyway, Ron Paul is a constitutionalist, not a cosmo-libertarian

Pat said...

Canada's banning giant carry-on luggage, so I'm all for it. Too bad they're not also banning pants.

Also, mds-bot, I'm pretty sure the Timothy B. Lee at Cato is not Tim Berners-Lee. The latter has done something with his life.

Also also, the only shit I give about Ron Paul is that he grew up in Greentree.

Enron said...

"Ron Paul is a constitutionalist."
What does this mean?

Michael Dawson said...

ROFLMFAO! Ron Paul isn't a libertarian? LMFAO!

You freaks are replicating Commie factionalism to the letter!

And, yes, we all know that immigration is "a contentious issue."

Ron Paul advocates extreme, hard-core military manning of the new Wall he advocates building, and he ain't pretending the "free market" is going to make it happen.

Libertarianism is a trick. If you go for it, you aren't quite past the fifth-grade standard of the MSM.

LOL!

Anonymous said...

Enron: A constitutionalist is someone who advocates a "return" to government modeled on his particular reading of the constitution. So in a way, its an inherently revisionist position.

MD: I never said Paul wasn't a libertarian, I said he wasn't a cosmo-libertarian. I'm surprised you knew immigration was a contentious issue among libertarians, because you don't seem to know much about libertarianism. As 8:14 pointed out, you don't seem to know what you're talking about most of the time, actually.

TGGP said...

Herbert Spencer is among the most misrepresented old dead dudes I'm aware of.

Soj said...

If one includes United 93, there have been MULTIPLE instances of the passengers stopping the threat. While not perfect, it's a track record that's comparable with the official agencies.

Seems to me a libertarian would be advocating more PASSENGER options in stopping threats, non?

Enron said...

"A constitutionalist is someone who advocates a "return" to government modeled on his particular reading of the constitution." Again, how does this differentiate Ron Paul from any other candidate? Also, I think contemporary understandings of Spencer are quite lucid.

Moloch-Agonistes said...

Constitutionalism- kind of sounds like Bin Laden's thing. Don noone read Thomas Wolfe no mo?

Cüneyt said...

Mainstream libertarianism just wants to successfully triangulate. So they'll pose as less religiously minded than the Repubs and more patriotic and offensive than the Dems. Principle, meet politics. I'm sure you two have a lot to talk about...

mds said...

Also, mds-bot, I'm pretty sure the Timothy B. Lee at Cato is not Tim Berners-Lee.

Whoa, yeah, I'm not entirely sure how that happened. Must have world-wide cobwebs in my head. In my defense, (1) Timothy B. Lee has still been pretty good on liberty (esp. intellectual property and non-state coercion), and (2) I was drunk.

Also, what's with the -bot business? What am I, Michael Dawson?

A constitutionalist is someone who advocates a "return" to government modeled on his particular reading of the constitution.

Oh, so that explains trying to override the Fourteenth Amendment using ordinary legislation.

I'm surprised you knew immigration was a contentious issue among libertarians, because you don't seem to know much about libertarianism.

Well, still not Michael Dawson, but let's see. There's von Mises, who asserted free flow of labor and individual freedom to contract one's labor without state coercion as cornerstones, and on the other hand there are those who apparently want to shelter American workers from such competition on right-libertarian grounds, while mysteriously having nowhere near the objection to union-busting or offshoring. One of those sides is much more coherent than the other. The other is about as authentically libertarian as Roger Pilon.

Love, mds-droid.

Anonymous said...

It's cute to see hyper-post-modernist neo-Marxist hipster douchebags talk about Ron Paul.

Like, Ron Paul is a constitutonalist, but dude Obama taught Constitutional Law, so there's like no consistent and objective interpretation in the Constitution...woah, words have no meaning man...Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky!

Mr.Fundamental said...

Libertarians! Jesus.



Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism,
Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Cüneyt said...

Yeah, you know those neo-Marxist hipsters! Bunch of jerks, they are. Way to defend the good Dr. Paul.

Anonymous said...

They were Nazis, dude?

Joe said...

Whoa, wait. You mean there are people who claim to be adherents to a political philosophy who don't apply its principles consistently? Holy shit! I guess that pretty much nullifies all of them.

As for Ron Paul, I see him more as a conservative who holds some libertarian positions. His views on immigration are not libertarian.

Montag said...

fuck the constitution.

Mr.Fundamental said...

Okay Dude. I can see you don't want to be cheered up. C'mon Donny, let's go get a lane.

Anonymous said...

Fuck the constitution? Okay dude, I can see you don't want to be cheered up here.

Anonymous said...

oh shit. lol.

mds-droid said...

You mean there are people who claim to be adherents to a political philosophy who don't apply its principles consistently?

Yes, and some of them are amply-compensated senior staff at think tanks dedicated to the promotion and dissemination of a political philosophy's principles. If Roger Pilon can't find a way to be a consistent libertarian even under those circumstances, what good is it? An observer could be forgiven for asking that question, I think.

As for Ron Paul, I see him more as a conservative who holds some libertarian positions.

Okay, that's a fairer assesment than "Constitutionalist," and also underscores the difficulty with libertarian entryism, either right or left. As another datum, Bob Barr started espousing more consistently libertarian positions only after he was out of power.

His views on immigration are not libertarian.

Indeed. Yet somehow the "libertarian" debate continues.

Mr.Fundamental said...

is ok anon tenthirtyeight, is party. we can all sing along together!

Joe said...

mds,

I hear you. Spend five minutes over at reason, especially the comments section, and it's no wonder why some people view libertarianism with such disgust. However, my comment was directed toward the folks who seem to think that some inconsistency among self-described libertarians invalidates the entire philosophy. That's a bit silly--like saying "progressivism" is meaningless because Obama is a corporate whore and a war-monger.

Mr.Fundamental said...

I would like to have my entire politico-humano-philosophy validated. . .in my pants.

IOZ said...

That's a bit silly--like saying "progressivism" is meaningless because Obama is a corporate whore and a war-monger.

Ahaha. You asked for it.

Progressivism is meaningless because Obama is a corporate whore and a warmonger.

mds said...

Yeah, uh, you're new here, aren't you, Joe? Following afternoon tea, the Monsieur's commentariat hunt pwoggies for sport. Though at least some are slightly wilier than the schmibertarian commenters at Hit & Run and their ilk. (Defending "libertarianism" by vilifying Chomsky? Kids these days.)

TGGP said...

Herbert Spencer is one of the names most commonly associated with "social Darwinism" (thanks to Richard Hofstadter). However, he wasn't even a Darwinist: he was actually a Lamarckist. No Ragnar Redbeard, he was actually an early feminist, anti-imperialist and a fan of labor unions.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

You might want to actually read the other stuff Cato people are putting out on defense and civil liberties, which is pretty iconoclastic by beltway standards and indicates that the classic liberals may do more than hide in the corners.

Way to aim high... beating "classic liberals" in rational soundness? Gosh... I bet you love to beat up Sarah Palin with your caustic comments about her white trash background too, eh?

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Spend five minutes over at reason, especially the comments section, and it's no wonder why some people view libertarianism with such disgust.

No way dude. Ron Bailey is a genius! He's a master of "skepticism" used as a mask to cover for junk science. Reason Magazine is full of people with IQs above 75, so your problem must be that yours is below 75 if you think there's something weird at Reason. They're GENIUSES and the rest of us just DO NOT UNDERSTAND because we lack the intellectual horsepower.

Just ask Mr Bailey.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Anyway, Ron Paul is a constitutionalist, not a cosmo-libertarian

You'd better go re-check the frequency with which "Doctor" Paul tells us about the need to return to "Constitutional government," smart guy.

Michael Dawson said...

I enjoy being told I'm dumb by libertarians! Keep it coming, you rational calculators who were born without parents or societies!

Cüneyt said...

I saw this great cartoon on Reason.com about Ayn Rand. And the punchline was about people in Che shirts. Oh my God, it was too funny. And they also said that Ayn Rand never once endorsed coercion, which is true, because HUAC was for freedom. Man, who wants to talk about how affirmative action sucks?

Joe said...

IOZ,

I agree with you for the most part about political labels. I'm just wary of throwing an entire school of thought, good and bad, overboard because some of its adherents are charlatans or morons, or both.

mds,

I've been around here enough times to know that "pwoggies" aren't too popular. I like a good pwog hunt as much as the next guy.

Charles Oxtrot,

Yeah, Bailey's a tool. I used to be a Reasonoid, but--with the exception of Radley Balko and Jesse Walker--I really can't stomach it anymore. It seems like they've staked out the radical political position of splitting the difference between the Republocrats and the Demublicans.

Anonymous said...

Reason? They don't even use common sense.

Anonymous said...

It's "Cato," not "CATO."

Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

Anonymous said...

Re: PC nomenclature

Alternatively, you could go with
rice eating, snake blood drinking,
half inch dicked, slanty eyed
chink.

The Christians

Anonymous said...

"Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.”

Ron Paul.

OK libertarian Paulbots. Discuss.

mds said...

"Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.”

We can only hope.