So I don't know what to say about this, by "defense analyst" (read as: "graduate student") Lara M. Dadkhah for the Times.
So in a modern refashioning of the obvious — that war is harmful to civilian populations — the United States military has begun basing doctrine on the premise that dead civilians are harmful to the conduct of war. The trouble is, no past war has ever supplied compelling proof of that claim.

While the number of American forces in Afghanistan has more than doubled since 2008, to nearly 70,000 today, the critical air support they get has not kept pace. According to my analysis of data compiled by the United States military, close air support sorties, which in Afghanistan are almost always unplanned and in aid of troops on the ground who are under intense fire, increased by just 27 percent during that same period. (While I am employed by a defense consulting company, my research and opinions on air support are my own.)

Some would argue that more combat troops will always mean more combat troop deaths. That holds true, however, only if you believe that our soldiers should fight fair. Logic dictates that no well-ordered army would give up its advantages and expect to win, and the United States military, which does not have the manpower in Afghanistan to fight the insurgents one-on-one, is no exception.

Of course, all this is not to say that the Untied States and NATO should be oblivious to civilian deaths, or wage “total” war in Afghanistan. Clearly, however, the pendulum has swung too far in favor of avoiding the death of innocents at all cost. General McChrystal’s directive was well intentioned, but the lofty ideal at its heart is a lie, and an immoral one at that, because it pretends that war can be fair or humane.

Wars are always ugly, and always monstrous, and best avoided. Once begun, however, the goal of even a “long war” should be victory in as short a time as possible, using every advantage you have.

Alors, I want to actually concede a certain point to Ms. Dadkhah. An overemphasis on sparing civilian lives when combatting an insurgency is foolish both tactically and strategically. Mais, IOZ, pkoi ? Because the insurgency and the civilian population are largely congruent. That is to say, it is hard to tell who is a rebel and who a rebel sympathizer, who a civilian and who a combattant in mere civilian drag. And while we mock, deride, and castigate Idiot America for its incessant destruction of wedding celebrations, the truth is that yes, yes, yes, "insurgents" are almost certainly using these and other fundamentally civilian activities, structures, and communities to hide themselves--not only because they perceive America as less like to strike civilians, but also because even in the event that America does strike civilians, it only serves to further the moral and propagandistic ends of the resistance.
But here is the thing. The reason that the boundary between civilian and insurgent is so goddamn fucking porous is because America is a goddamn fucking foreign fucking invading fucking occupying fucking goddamn power. The problem isn't that we have bad tactics or bad strategy. The problem is that we're the bad guys.
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Pictoral villanelle!
The man in the black pajamas, Dude. A worthy fuckin adversary.
Christ. She probably doesn't know that the Russians were there all of 15-20 years ago, and they sure took the gloves off - hell, they used napalm, white phosphorus, poison gas, etc., etc. Didn't pan out all that well for them, did it? "Defense analyst?" Where can I find one of those sweet gigs?
Okay then. We play Quintana and O'Brien next week. They'll be pushovers.
From a 2008 paper "Close Air Support and Civilian Casualties in Afghanistan"
Lara M. Dadkhah is a graduate student in Security Studies at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service. She has worked as an open source analyst covering biodefense issues in Iran and Afghanistan, and as a data analyst for current coalition information operations in Afghanistan.
What company, clearly a Lockheed, Raytheon, or Boeing consultant wouldn't have any conflict of interest here to encourage use of airplanes and missles? Or any firm taking their money? Who are you Lara M. Dadkhah?
"Defense analyst?" Where can I find one of those sweet gigs?
You need to go a prestigious grad school(ivy league or equivalent) on a PoliSci track. It is only there that one can learn to casually discuss the deaths of people going about their daily lives in cost/benefit to the USA terms.
I dunno, kind of sounds like you agree with her. (1) "War is ugly monstrous and best avoided." This war began when we invaded. Ergo we are the ugly monstrous bad guys. She doesn't go in explicitly for that kind of value judgment, but your point of view is consistent. Similarly, civilians. She says the civilian-combatant distinction is beside the point, you say it doesn't exist. Both of you agree that it makes sense for the U.S. army to ignore it.
Actually I think Lara M. Dadkhah may be IOZ.
It is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless *distinguishable*, postwar environments: one where you got twenty million people killed, and the other where you got a hundred and fifty million people killed.
I think it's less likely that insurgents are using weddings and other civilian activities to "hide themselves" and more like they're just, y'know, enjoying a fucking wedding. And that's assuming that these wedding bombings actually take out any insurgents, which is generous as fuck in the first place.
There are no friendlies. Hasn't been since Rambo 2 came out.
It is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless *distinguishable*, postwar environments: one where you got twenty million people killed, and the other where you got a hundred and fifty million people killed.
When one is actually faced with the possibility of just such a postwar environment, that distinction can be argued. Given the actual geopolitical environment, one could just as easily argue that we are prepared to kill twenty million of them to save the lifestyle of 300 million of us...
We should re-invade Afghanistan with a new American army and kick out the existing American occupying forces, this time we'll be greeted as liberators.
Marc---
But I've watched all the "Lifestyles Of The Rich & Famous" reruns, with Robin Leach, the Man The Jews Trust, and I don't think the Americans portrayed should have to consider periodic random mass murder by rageful religious zealots to be akin to arranging for landcaping services. They don't hate us for our financial freedoms.
Who are you Lara M. Dadkhah?
Well, I looked her up in the Georgetown alumni database. Sadly she doesn't say where she works. Although I now know her address and phone number...
As an aside - if there's one thing I refuse to do no matter how much they mail me, I will not give money to a University (that yes, educated me) that produces such tossers.
Do you see what happens, Lara? This is what happens when you FUCK A POVERTY-STRICKEN FOREIGN COUNTRY IN THE ASS! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, LARA! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS!
@ Justin: Brilliant.
@ IOZ: Dude, when did you get the password to RSN's server? There's a spoof article on their front page which was obviously written by you.
Marc Ash: I Still Like Obama
What concerns me are the things Obama has agreed to: An extension of the US Campaign in Afghanistan, an acceptance of the Bernanke-Geithner "Wall Street must be saved," mantra, a don't-ask don't-tell policy on torture past and present.
I guess what redeems Obama for me is that he agrees to these things without losing his disdain for them. I wanted change, and in fairness change really hasn't come yet. The intriguing thing is that Obama may actually want these changes too, and seems to.
I mean, what point is there in going to IOZ's site if the Donkle themselves are just going to 'fess up and admit to everything IOZ accuses them of. Where's the sport in that?
Aww. I was looking forward to the part where Walter smashes Lara's car with a crowbar.
Justin's idea is indeed brilliant. Unfortunately, past experience suggest the good times won't last long. Which is why we'll need to launch a third invasion to kick out the troops from the second invasion.
The analyst is indeed correct that civilian casualties have gone hand in hand with victory all the time. Often, the former even assists with the latter. Archer Jones dubbed it the "Turko-Mongolian strategy". If you don't want to do it yourself, you can usually outsource it to a local puppet, as Edward Luttwak describes in Counterinsurgency warfare as military malpractice.
One problem with airpower is that people overestimate what it can accomplish and seek to use it strategically, whereas most of its utility is in tactical use assisting ground forces. That's why Robert Farley suggests we abolish the air force as an independent branch. He doesn't cite him, but he's borrowing much of his argument from Robert Pape's "Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War".
As distance in war increases, accuracy goes down while willingness to attack goes up. Randall Collins explains in "Violence: A Microsociological Theory". I excerpted relevant portions here.
Lara M Dadkhah (sounds like a Sith name?) has entered a world of hurt.
Justin's idea is indeed brilliant. Unfortunately, past experience suggest the good times won't last long. Which is why we'll need to launch a third invasion to kick out the troops from the second invasion.
This is perfect: the perpetual war to liberate the world from ourselves. Someone tell Lockheed and Thomas Pynchon.
"The problem is that we're the bad guys"
WE!?!? Hey, don't blame me! I voted for Kodos!
Walter doesn't smash Lara's car, he smashes some dude working two jobs to pay for it.
Night raids being conducted by US forces, a far less attention grabbing way to kill a bunch of innocents.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175197/tomgram%3A_anand_gopal%2C_afraid_of_the_dark_in_afghanistan/#more
I agree with you on all but the last point - at least in relation to the Taliban. Remember these guys banned music and TV (however much you hate American Idol, that's evil), hung people publicly in the former soccer stadium, and last but certainly not least treated women as not much better than chattel. I'm sure I'm missing lots of other evil things they did.
There are some forms of evil that are very hard to out-evil, and the Taliban are an example of this. They strangled culture and life for ideals of purity. If you can call the US and NATO "bad guys", you at least have an obligation to recognize that the Taliban are epically evil in a way the US and NATO do not and cannot match.
I agree that we should leave Afghanistan, but I am under no illusions as to the US and NATO being simply "the bad guys" in this pathetic war.
Honestly, our biggest mistake was funding resistance to the Soviets. Look up a literacy map of the area - the former Soviet countries universally have near total literacy and for all their various flaws none is as bad off as Afghanistan. The Soviets (for all that we demonize them) would have modernized the country and were certainly less evil than the Taliban.
We takes ze money, or we fucks you up!
How much TV is there in Afghaniland now? Do the bombings happen in private?
We're gonna cut your dick off, Larry
Laura, I keel your fuckeen car.
anon 5:29 -- no one disputes that, but the point is that people tend to prefer the local devils they know to the foreign devils they don't. Kicking down people's doors to tell them how to better live their lives is going to meet with natural resistance no matter what.
bulk of the series dude. not exactly a lightweight.
"They don't hate us for our financial freedoms." Oh yes, the United States is self-sufficient with regard to oil and heroin production.
Enron---
Okay, mostly tongue in cheek. I'm just trying to emphasize the primary importance of the "life" in Marc's "lifestyle"....
keep this in mind:
War is good business.
I'm new around here, seems like a cool place though. I'll be around a bit, more of a lurker than a poster though :)
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--JB
Kill em all and let the FSM sort em out.
It shouldn't really need to be said, but I'll say it; large-scale bombing is entirely useless, even counter productive, in a counter-insurgency campaign. The goal of counter-insurgency is to win the populace to your side; to be honest, it's really a kind of police confidence-building campaign, albeit a extremely militarized one. The idea is that, by providing security and development to the populace, you impress upon them the power and beneficence of the state, in contrast to the inability of the guerrillas to provide any sort of social support, and their heavy reliance on violence which result from that lack of social infrastructure.
The point of large-scale bombing is to demoralize a population, not only by killing their friends, but also by significantly reducing their quality of life, and by committing acts of destruction so colossal that they cannot help but be awed by them. There are many things wrong with pursuing such a policy in Afghanistan. First, there are few cities big enough to have the necessary impact. Reducing Dresden to a smoking glass-cooked ruin was impressive because Dresden had a very large population, was vast, and was a major industrial hub. Giving Kandahar similar treatment simply wouldn't have the same impact. Secondly, Afghanistan has been torn by war for more or less the last 30 years. Frankly, its difficult to impress these people with violence (though, given the pride Pushtuns take in being "warriors", it was rather difficult even before the soviet invasion). When you've seen most of your friends and loved ones die in terrible ways, having your house blown up by a massive bomb is more infuriating than depressing. Third, when you live in a clay hut, your quality of life is pretty hard to depress. Clay huts are easy to rebuild, in a relative sense. Beyond this, nearly any young man can recoup whatever losses he suffers from bombing by joining up with either the security forces or the Insurgents. Fourth, by killing civilians to get at your opponents you show, not that the security forces can provide security to civilians, but that the security forces are more dangerous to the civilians than the guerrillas are. Not only would large-scale bombing fail in achieving its strategic goals in Afghanistan, it would also undermine attempts to get the populace behind coalition and government forces.
Though, if we're honest with ourselves, the highly independent and self-sustaining nature of Afghan towns and villages, combined with the last 30 years of bloodshed and the Pushtun pride in their historical militancy makes it highly unlikely that such a counter-insurgency approach will have the desired effect of winning support for the central government. If ever any country were made for a federal democracy with autonomous constituent states, it was Afghanistan, but even if everything miraculously worked out, our State department's obsessive love with the "perfection" of parliamentary systems would attempt to force on Afghanistan the sort of centralized government which has historically failed to hold the country together, or even govern it.
The biggest problem that the neo-cons have with these sorts of arguments is that, despite their desire for world-wide military domination, the truth is that the warn In Afghanistan has demonstrated the limits of superior air power. Tora Bora demonstrated that air power doesn't get people out of caves--the only way to do that is to send scared-shitless young soldiers into the caves to kill them. And that sure doesn't look like "world military domination." In fact it looks frightenly like the wars of the last century--Vietnam, dare I say it, in particular.
But perhaps the most telling example was a couple months ago when the Germans had to apologize for killing civilians when they blew up some stolen fuel trucks. This one was unbelievable--the Taliban steal some fuel trucks, allegedly or at least plausibly for use as a giant suicide bomb. Knowing, of course, that the allies would destroy the trucks rather than let them use them as bombs, they invite the local population to siphon gas out of the trucks. Now imagine you're the commander and you need to decide what to do, knowing that if you bomb, many dozens of civilians will die, but if you don't bomb, you're just daring the fuckers to use the trucks blow up some checkpoint full of your soldiers.
You're screwed either way.
EXTERMINATE THE BRUTES!
Re: "O-presst wymin"
I'm sorry, this fig leaf would be credible, had there not been the US support for the islamists - long, long time ago for you chilluns, maybe before y'all were even borne. That rudely interrupted bolshevik efforts to (among other things) add the wymin to the Labor masses. Because if bolsheviks and corporations have one thing in common, it is the "emancipation" of wymin to the exhalted status of industrial serfs.
Like US compassion for Jewish plight in the 40s would be touching, if not for scattered details like the St Louis, the Mefkure, or the Struma (if jewish petroleum know-how escapes to MiddleEast, them crafty zhyds might cut a deal with the camel jockeys and push US corporations out ... can't have that - so down goes Struma!).
Capt'n Obvious
@ D K
You kill them you're a dishonorable punk, you let them kill you're a fool.
One of the many reasons the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are lose-lose propositions.
Capt'n Obvious
It's lose-lose, and that's why we have to choose failure over defeat! If we don't fail, we'll be seen as cowards!
Rule #1: Never, ever get involved ina land war in Asia...
> You kill them you're a dishonorable punk, you let them kill you're a fool.
What is particularly offensive is that idiots like Dadkhah act like it's so simple. "Kill civilians if you have to, to save soldiers lives."
It does seem simple and obvious that that is what you should do. And usually when an op ed writer gives you a simple solution to a problem that lots of smart people can't solve, you know they're intentionally leaving some important facts out of their argument. In this case, Dadkhah talks about "winning" but doesn't bother to tell us what that means. In this war, you could kill 10,000 Talibani and still "lose." I don't know what we hope to accomplish in Afghanistan, but I have no doubt that Dadkhah's plan would be an utter failure.
"the premise that dead civilians are harmful to the conduct of war. The trouble is, no past war has ever supplied compelling proof of that claim."
Wow. Let's just set aside the whole issue of war crimes, the Geneva Convention, the laws of war, etc. etc.
As a matter of fact, all evidence shows that the bombing of civilians during World War 2 -- by both sides -- harden the resolve of people on the other side.
Moreover, had allied bombing focused exclusively on German military targets, the war might have been shortened by years. Had the Germans focused on military targets in Britain - especially British airfields - instead of cities, Britain might have fallen before the US entered the war. So I guess Lara Dadkhah would put herself on the side of the Nazis.
And Lara Dadkhah is a "grad student" at Georgetown. Could be worse -- she could be a student at the foremost institution for mass murderers -- Harvard.
Lara M. Dadkhah, 38 years old. Has lived in Washington, DC, Concord, MA, and Seattle, WA. Related to Fatemeh Zahedi Zahedi and Kamran M. Dadkhah.
"the truth is that the warn In Afghanistan has demonstrated the limits of superior air power."
The fucking London Blitz demonstrated that. People never learn. Blowing shit up from the air is just too much fun.
Such approp%!@#e language, the fi%$# thing I thought was, wasn't that the problem in Vietnam? Has she done any figu%ing of the hearts and minds @ff&(#ed by the increase in civilian casualties by insurgents compared to the air strikes? A peace analyst might prophet with those numbers. In fact might strike up proof for IOZ whomever he is.
Ioz you outdid yourself. Sheer brilliance.
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