I'm honestly not certain whether I find the egregious offense-baiting of Western artists and writers who wish to be perceived as somehow tough, unbowed by, uh "totalitarianism," or the preposterous willingness of Muslims around the world to respond in kind by taking the ridiculous bait to be more annoying, so instead I am going to make fun of Ross Douthat, whose author photo at the Times makes him look like he just killed seven hookers and then ate a cheesburger, for his evident belief that South Park is actually as opposed to superficially iconoclastic. South Park can be kinda funny if you're stoned. So are classified ads, trees, clouds, breathing, tee-shirts, dogs, squirrels, ice cream, houses, bicycles, sounds, fingers, etc. But the idea that it evinces anything other than the most conventional American mores is authentic American intellectual flatulence. Examine the Stone/Parker oeuvre and you will discover that politicians are dishonest, local police are inept, real racism is bad but "political correctness" has gone too far, governments and schools are too involved in our lives but at the same time its important to work together . . . ad fucking nauseum. South Park happily embraces the same set of inconsistent political and cultural nostrums that you'll hear bandied over any neighborhood bar or diner counter, a sort of mild and mostly incoherent libertarianism combined with a vaguely atavistic sense that Things Used to Be Different combined with an off-color joke or two. Its foul mouth and scatology are a mere patina under which lurks an almost wholly normative cultural sensibility. It may be the least challenging thing on television. American Idol is more radical.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 203 Newer› Newest»You must have forgotten the thoughtful, trenchant satire present in the scenes in which Saddam beds Satan.
Greenwald's take is also pretty good, if only for this line:
"It looks like Ross Douthat picked the wrong month to try to pretend that threat-induced censorship is a uniquely Islamic practice."
Yar, I just grit my teeth and stay silent when my basically incoherent libertarianist friends that all have a vaguely atavistic sense that 'Things Used to Be Different' and like telling off-color jokes go off about how cutting edge and fearless South Park is.
whose author photo at the Times makes him look like he just killed seven hookers and then ate a cheeseburger
You's think a guy with cheeks that flabby would avoid trimming his (replacement chin) beard in a way that makes them look droopier still.
IOZ---
Your own eminently sophisticated navel is not the only vantage from which to assess South Park. Not that it's my cup of tea, but they savagely lampoon a wide variety of sacred cows on an equal opportunity basis, and that's plain and simply a rarity on teevee. A rarity period, except where jaded, upscale hipsters talk amongst themselves. I still haven't even heard a peep about my NEA grant-proposal for "Piss Muhammad".....
"Savagely lampoon." Lulz.
Inkerbrow, I didn't know you were an artist. What media do you plan to use for Piss Muhammad? Other than piss and muhammad, of course...
"but they savagely lampoon a wide variety of sacred cows on an equal opportunity basis"
Oh, bullshit. The prominent "sacred cows" they've "savagely lampooned" in their decade-plus-long run have included Saddam Hussein, Paris Hilton, Scientologists, Kanye West, and any other random celebrity they appear to have noticed on the cover of In Touch while waiting in line at CVS.
Hey this is hilarious, you hipsters!
Yeah, because towing the party line is so avant garde.
You nailed it, IOZ. South Park's success rests on the fact that it's a cleverly disguised form of flattery. If somebody wants to take it seriously, then all it does is make the multitudinous practitioners of thoughtless stonerism and post-stonerism feel smugly smart and complete and even cutting edge.
Of course, Stone and Parker ARE the kids in the show, and could hardly produce anything beyond that, even if they meant to. Which they don't.
I admit that while I agree with IOZ about South Park, I find the old Jackass TV episodes to be totally fucking brilliant.
Team America is fucking hilarious. Don't take that away from me you overanalyzing hipster fag.
Even if a reanimated Waugh or Swift wrote the show, it would still hurt my eyes to watch the fucking thing.
I just want to say, sir, that we're both enormous--on a personal level, Branded, especially the early episodes, has been a source of, uh, inspir---
http://www.heinleinprize.com/rah/thisibelieve.htm
What a hack.
Well an authentic American cultural sensibility would, in addition to all those things, include some kind of condescension towards Islam, innit? And yet the show features all those other things, but not that. And isn't that the point of the article, that that's the one place we shy back?
Team America is reactionary swill in satire drag.
This is the most fun I've had on the internet I've had without my clothes on and/or no cats around:"This blogger can be kinda funny if you're stoned. So are classified ads, trees, clouds, breathing, tee-shirts, dogs, squirrels, ice cream, houses, bicycles, sounds, fingers, etc. But the idea that this blogger evinces anything other than the most conventional critiques of South Park is authentic American Internet flatulence. Examine the blogger's oeuvre and you will discover that people overstate the edginess of South Park, that Trey Parker and Matt Stone don't convey any groundbreaking political or social ideas, and that the show involves an inordinate amount of toilet humor . . . ad fucking nauseum. This blogger happily embraces the same set of tired criticisms that you'll hear bandied over any Internet message board or entertainment rag, a sort of mild and mostly incoherent edgier-than-thou hipster chic with a vaguely contrarian sense that anything popular is by definition lame, with acutely poseurish words like "oeuvre" clumsily scattered throughout. The blogger's supposedly innovative appraisal is a mere patina under which lurks an almost wholly normative criticism. It may be the least challenging thing on the Internet. Criticizing American Idol is more edgy."
You can ever do anything that's never been done before!
Er, I mean, there's nothing you can do that can't be done....
Well, uh, no, um, that is to say, man cannot imagine things completely novel, such as a new color, so therefor his belief in god is proof that god exists...
Well, I've exhausted my references!
This thread won't be complete until Andy Sullivan instructs us on the Deep Meaning of South Park.
-- sglover
Has anyone else who saw these two episodes been suspicious that the bleeps that were supposedly added by Comedy Central out of fear of the muslim threat were actually always part of the episode, the whole thing just a publicity stunt? It seemed that way to me.
I'll admit, though, I was stoned when I watched it.
hey IOZ -
long-time anonymouse commenter on this here blog, "Chairman LMAO" on xoxo (dude who linked you on that law school tweetblog) ...
wondering ... how'd you get notice of my linking to your post? are you an xoxo reader?
Hey Chairman - no, I saw the link to your forum thread in my sitemeter tracker.
Well Thismay snap your eyes out of your navel...maybe, sire, maybe.
Or this, Contemplationist? If every criminal motivation is to be elevated to ay-yuh existential threat, yo, then I suggest we begin a Global War on Perceived Marital Infidelity, or a Global War on The Steelers Lost, or a Global War on Automobile Driving, or whatever.
What the fuck is up with Glenn Greenwald finding a faint semblance of a spine and a meagre hint of a functioning intellect?
Jesus, the next thing we know, his posts will actually be readable, and not the dull law-wonk prose of a 1st year law clerk at Steptoe & Johnson.
Wake me up when he openly admits he was wrong about the Democrats, the War on Terror, and Hugo Chavez.
Being a student of history, I'm fully aware that America was as much of a despicable cesspool in 1776 as it is today in the age of "American Exceptionalism" However this is the patch of earth I was born to so all I can say to the likes of Ross Douthat, Ygelsias, and the rest of those inbred pseudo-intellectuals is, "Screw you guys, I'm going home."
Jesus Christ, it's just South Park.
Someone tell Parker and Stone that, Anonymous.
do you ever watch metalocalypse izzie?
"like he just killed seven hookers and then ate a cheesburger"
well, to me, it looks like he just killed a hooker and then ate seven cheeseburgers.
I'm certainly not here to crown "South Park" anything but a bold and occasionally very funny cartoon satire, but I will call b.s. on the overheated, pretextual dismissals it's receiving, starting with our host's. Oblique apologias for or obfuscation concerning aggrieved Muslims has nothing to do with it! Apparently, the main issue here is not murderous religious censors but overpraise of "South Park".
Regardless, the great green-spotted culture-hipster labors under an analogue of Bloom's "Anxiety of Influence", which we might call the "Anxiety of Popularity". But heck, let's not let us lose context. Even the cool kats who abandon an L.A. nightclub once other people know about it considered at one time "The Simpsons" to be da bomb. Nostalgia even for South Park may yet prevail....maybe if Douthat or someone later sets out to crucify the show.
...a bold and occasionally very funny cartoon satire... overheated, pretextual dismissals ... murderous religious censors
Dude, do you ever listen to yourself? South Park is a show that uses fart jokes to make fun of celebrities, and to occasionally assert a mushy-headed, centrist politics forever framed as the middle between two caricatured extremes. Parker and Stone are not "bold, funny" anything; they're David Broder with poop jokes. And the "murderous religious censors" you refer to are a handful of idiots whining on the internet. I appreciate your commitment to hyperventilating over every single shadow flicked your way by the Mussulman Menace, but please: get a fucking grip.
Stras---
You seem like a marginally decent person of middling intelligence, so please clear up my confusion here. Was it the same Internet Idiot-Whiners with knives in Kurt Westergaard's home? Dude? On the street with Theo Van Gogh? Dude?
Para-normal activity indeed.....
Ooops, almost forgot Stras. Al-Awlaki communicated with Major Hasan by carrier pigeon, right?
I think there is some hilarious confusion about what a hipster is. Also, the phrase "LA nightclub." Oh, do go on, Bret Easton Ellis. I love this new character.
Step lightly here, IOZ---I'll bet you've never even thought of wearing lavender and pink Izod polos at the same time, with the collar ends turned rakishly up. And I was partying at the Viper Room with Judd and Molly just last week.
This dude has it right. He says: "i think they do retarded concepts (awesome-o, imaginationland, scott tenorman, world of warcraft, etc) better than the political/celebrity episodes, but either way it's still the best show on tv."
well, he gets it partially rt: it's not the best show on tv, but the episodes he cites are fucking hilarious.
IOZ@11:45 - whaddya mean mang? maybe i don't know what a hipster is, but i thought you might be accurately described as a hipster (which i don't think is all that pejorative)
Inky, I realize that the dread darkies are closing in on you with their scimitars and all, but it's telling that as you rattle off the list of Christian Martyrs felled by the Mohammedan blade, you name three instances which left fourteen people dead, while the number of Muslims-killed-by-Westerners is somewhere between half a million and a million and counting.
Stras---
So it IS about body counts after all? Balance-sheets, quid pro quo, two wrongs do make a right, eye for an eye, revenge is sweet, etc., etc, all in lieu of substantive principle concerning violence and mayhem, and right and wrong? I sense a kindred spirit in you, Stras! How far back do we go---Salah-al-din, or before? And why can't we hit them back hard, then?
In sum, based on the erudite, sensitive turn of your ad hominem blame-shifting and subject-changing here, my guess is that you can't possibly think of Muslims as ravening, pull-string revenge-automatons, not responsible for their own murderous acts. So given your account-sheet morality, you must be a conservative Catholic. Were you an altar boy?
"hipster" apparently means: some fag who thinks he's better than me. which i've kind of suspected for a while.
SOME FAG . . . God, I love E.B. White.
Pile up the body counts as far back as you want to go, Inky, and they'll still show the vast majority of the bloodletting's been done to Muslims and not by them. And this should hardly be a surprise, since this isn't about religion at all: it's about wealth, and about rich countries murdering the inhabitants of poor countries in order to steal their shit. All of which is to say: you and me, we've got it coming, fucker.
Yeah, yeah, Stone and Parker are even now fearing for their lives because the Dread Islamist Ninjas could be crawling up their toilets as we speak. We should probably hurry up and award them the goddamn Congressional Medal of Honor right now, so they have a little time to enjoy it before the Mohammedan Menace** strikes from the shadows.
(I mean, gad, man, it's not like they're providers of legal late-term abortions. Get some perspective.)
Wake me up when he openly admits he was wrong about the Democrats
Hack, cough, what now? Greenwald's been a pretty frequent critic of the newly-embiggened Dem-controlled gubmint. I think he might have even dissed the china pattern for the inaugural banquet. You must be a pretty sound sleeper. Or do you mean "wrong" as in "thinking they're microscopically better by virtue of not yet being complete sociopaths"? Because the OED does have that as the third definition for "wrong."
**Dibs on this as a professional wrestling handle.
Stras---
Fine, open season equivalency it is. So why do you seem to be rooting for them, whining for them, bleeding for them, and upset with us? Is it our fault we've killed more (arguendo) than them within your quid pro quo conception? Hmmm, military-religious empire, armed subjugation of and organized extortion from indigenous populations.....you're not particularly well-versed in the history of Islam, are you?
mds---
Yup, it's all a kooky mock-up like pro wrestling, the fanatical Muslim murderers. Any day now, Theo Van Gogh will come back from "the dead" just like The Undertaker did! The Fort Hood folks are on a Secret Mission. I do like your choice of handle, though. IOZ's newer post gave me the idea for mine, "Goldberg".....
what is YOUR point, Inkie? That we just need to exterminate them all...turn the Middle East into a sea of irradiated glass?
because if they are irredeemably TEH ENEMIE,MAN and we must remain ETERNALLY VIGILANT LEST THEY RAPE OUR WIMMENS AND KILL OUR INDIE MOVIEMAKERS then why not?
Inkbarrow:
"open season equivalency"
No, actually there's no equivalency between an empire that's done everything from this to this, among an endless succession of other obscenities, to millions of people, and a few thugs who have no institutional power anywhere in the world outside of small areas of Central Asia where much of the populace supports them primarily because they're ("arguendo") less murderous than said empire. Shariah law is coming to the US and Europe only in the deranged fantasies of Pamela Geller, and there's nothing remotely brave about Islamophobia. So take your self-righteous hysteria-mongering about the Muslim menace and shove it somewhere painful.
"you seem to be rooting for them, whining for them, bleeding for them, and upset with us"
Isn't it funny how Inkberrow's type of self-proclaimed defenders of universal rights - the noble principles of free speech, freedom of religion, etc - always move so quickly to blatant tribalism? This is a really classic case. Here we go from "substantive principle" and the pseudo-sophisticated accusation that the other guy is the real racist ("not responsible for their own murderous acts" etc), to effectively calling Stras a n****r-lover, in the space of about 3 sentences...
inkberrow is the fucking worst. what's the view like up on your cross you oppressed cracker?
@ink
Well, Sharia Law may well be coming to Europe, given birth rates and all. But that does not make it the "fault" of Islam.
But, I'm shockt, SHOCKT that a reb (speaking as a papist now)doesn't know of:
'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
What you and I (through our "servant", the American state) did to those least ones was a steady diet of ham fisted military operations, followed by ham-fisted military style counterinsurgency.
If you're even minimally cognizant of the Gospel, you know we (you and I) have it coming, hard and good.
oh you sissies, Inky is just afraid of the day that will come when it is his kind that swings from trees, is forced to ride separate buses, etc. and so on. round that logic out in your own head, please. history (sic) and, the, um, human species almost ensure that this will happen. it will be the case. so now, deep breathes please. focus. you can do it. someday America will cease to be the oppressor, simply because it cannot. breathe with me now. it will take some time, and maybe the entire rotten structure will topple, taking out a hundred million or more, but really, we likely won't be aware of the fact. the trick is to keep those in the feeding frenzy, well, in a frenzy. frenzy is exhausting. let them waste their energy.
where is TGGP when you need him?
Inkberrow,
Come to my home city. Lots of Muslims. Lots of Muslims from Bosnia, Somalia, the Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan and the Sahel.
Yep - Muslims from places where people should hold lots of fucking grudges against Americans.
No Sharia (well, outside of the Catholic kind, since we have one of Cardinal Law's flunky's running that sinking ship). No anti-woman violence. Except from the usual American suspects, and the yahoos ranting on Fridays, outside of Planned Parenthood.
No anti-gay violence - unless you count the good Christian boyz who act out their repressed attractions by punching Teh Gays, instead of just sticking their penises in the sources of their desire.
No dead second-rate film makers, with famous last names and questionable intelligence.
Sadly, though - we did give the world the Segway, MacDonalds, Velcro, Adam Sandler and Triple H's Gold's franchise...
...I suppose you could blame all that on the Mohammadans, right
Hey Hey Hey, Jack Crow, ...Don't be dissing on The Game!
Only an American television program would make spewing water from your mouth a "teh awesome" entrance theme.
Associated Muslim Apologists---
You've earned that title not because a goodly portion of your points here isn't sound in general terms. It's what little it takes to occasion your impassioned apologias, here and elsewhere, and the passion itself: you've been conditioned by the "Bad America" sons and daughters of Marcuse to squeal like stuck pigs at the mere prospect of holding Muslims or anyone else wearing Victim Skin accountable for the very conduct you so piously deplore in others, meaning Western Europeans and Americans of European descent, for the grievous sin of managing a few measly centuries as kings of the hill.
Read yourselves minimizing and bowdlerizing the deaths and near-deaths of countless American citizens on American soil over just the past few years at the hands of hate-soaked religious zealots killing expressly in the name of Islam. Now compare that with your easy accomodation of the term "domestic terrorist" as applied to Von Brunn, Roeder, or the Michigan militia arrestees. Ask yourselves why it is that your first and only reaction to some of that "hate crime" and "domestic terrorist" sauce being applied to the Muslim gander is, "Gosh, cut that racist talk out (read: specific attribution to the murderer's ideological). Just think of the potential anti-Muslim backlash. Oh, the horror...."
Imperial Islam's own storied history as king of the hill, of violent subjugation, rapine, extortion, and slaughter of indigenous populations on a massive scale, ending only with the Ottoman defeat less than a century ago, apparently bemuses the same poltroons who cite the Crusades like a child reciting his "Bad America" rosary (right after Smallpox-Infected Blanket Genocide!). Never mind that the plucky Muslim killers of infidel women and children today resorted to such tactics not for want of materiel or money to buy it, but because unlike their imperial Islam forebearers they cannot compete on the conventional battlefield. Meanwhile, Iran and other nations labor to change that, even as bleeding-heart mod-prog American enablers imagine that Muslims home and abroad hold their cringing appeasements in anything but utter contempt.
Christ, what an asshole.
oh, fuck.
BLAWG!1!!
mds---
Jungian slip there, big fella ("Christ") ??
Maybe Rankian (thx, Lyamhound)....
A dick, man! And let me tell you something: I dig your work. Playing one side against the other--in bed with everybody--fabulous stuff, man.
@Ink
(shaking head in disbelief)
This style of muslo-turk baiting might have worked in the Balkans, cca 1890, but in the XXIst century USofA?!?
You be pulling our legs?!?
Capt'n Obvious
Everyone else: You're not wrong, Inky, you're just an asshole.
Inky: Okay, then.
Actually, Inkberrow is wrong.
Anon @ 5:35---
By "everyone", you mean "those who have the same worldview as I do"? Come to think of it, those who share mine never seem to call me an a-hole....
Jack Crow---
Can you be specific?
You have a cookie cutter view of Islam which neglects all the billions of Muslims who don't - natch - fit your profile of alleged religious sociopaths.
My own cousin is one of those Muslims. She lives in Saudi Arabia. And while she doesn't possess American rights, while in the Kingdom of Saud, she is nonetheless not a victim of the sort of Yellow Peril, Islam Edition, that you conjure up to justify your bigotry.
And again, I live in a small city with a large percentage of Muslims - larger than most other cities of the same size, and only really outstripped in total percentages by such notable standouts as Dearborn, OKC, NYC and Chicago.
We have no Sharia putsch here, even with a Muslim representing us in the statehouse. The masjids routinely do outreach, environmental clean up and ecumenical services with the large Greek Orthodox, Maronite, Catholic and Jewish communities.
We have Shia Afghanis, Maghrebi Sufis, Turkish Sufis, Sunnis from Iraq, the Sudan and Somalia.
We don't have any caricature Muslims.
*
I do wonder, though, if the monsters know that you're sleeping on top of their bed.
"Everyone else: You're not wrong, Inky, you're just an asshole."
I'm pretty sure this is a both / and blog, not either / or. It's certainly possible to be wrong and an asshole, as Squid Juice Burial Mound has been demonstrating pretty vigorously.
'Jungian slip there, big fella ("Christ") ??'
Awwww, someone's not aware of all Internet traditions. How cute. I swear: virulently racist, pig-ignorant bedwetting coward or not, at times like these I just want to pinch those adorable plump little cheeks.
Jack Crow---
If I may, I have one minor quibble with your otherwise perfectly serviceable post. It has little or no logical connection to anything I've posted here, and I asked you to detail where I was wrong, not where you are correct. I assumed that we could take the powerful observation, "All Muslims are not killers" as read, and also assuming that this fact did not obviate discussion of the actual Killers. I was focusing on the Killers, you see, past and present, the fanatics doing the Killing in the name of Islam today and Empire past, and their misguided, history-impoverished modern-day Western apologists.
exactly! maybe even someday we'll have Muslim overlords.
whatever. we'll still be here. same shit, different day. BLAWG!
and their misguided, history-impoverished modern-day Western apologists.
Shit, and I've lost the receipt for my "Heraclius shot first" T-shirt, too.
Gosh, Inky...I always assumed you were an Amurikin, Brave and True...but now I wonder. I've concluded that you are in fact a Serb, maybe a minor factotum in the Misolovich regime, too minor to arrest but remembering again and again the CRIMES of the Islamic Hordes from 700 years ago?
Brian M---
I'll settle for your tacit agreement here as to the operative principle, at least: some animals are indeed more equal than others. Er, or less equal, one of the two.....
Lulz
Inky you're brilliant. The feeble conditioned minds can't comprehend that Islam, on its own, has a massive history of the bloodiest sort of conquest independent of Western history. Idiotic proggies that they are (no matter their protest to the contrary), their analysis originates with the "original sin" of White Europeans (and now Americans).
One can't of course dispute the sheer body count resulting from such peaceful actions as the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts, violence against native Americans, and civilians in foreign wars (Dresden bombing, Iraq Afghanistan).
But to go on, from there, onto general apologia for an Empire that was far far more brutal (objectively, body count wise from Algiers to India) in its conquest and subjugation of native peoples, is to reveal an extremely deficient grasp of non-Eurocentric history (The IRONY! The IRONY!) and acceptance of Original White Guilt, as opposed to a general extreme cynicism of all humanity (which would be more defensible).
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