Tuesday, May 18, 2010

Emily, I have a confession to make. I really am a horse doctor.

Fuck. Stanley. Fish.

You know, Freire is a very interesting thinker and writer even though he's wrong. Most leftish thinkers are. Their admirable and often correct skepticism about and hostility toward the extant institutions of culture and society breaks apart when it becomes prescriptive. The radical critique becomes a plan for new institutions. The solution to the perpetuation of dominant culture through its institutionalized educational structures is . . . education? Wait, what? Yo, these new institutions quickly professionalize, evolve a managerial and technocratic culture that leads inevitably back to status quo liberalism. Mandatory education is by definition indoctrination, no matter how radical the political content of the curriculum.

But. Fuck. Stanley. Fish. Freire is a real thinker with real ideas, whereas Stanley Fish is a hack professor at some lazy, South-Floridian Whatsamatta U. who traffics in such congenially pre-wrought phrases as "the virus of a politicized classroom." Oh . . . well, I think of it more as a bacterium . . . um, but, uh, let's agree to disagree, k? So as not to . . . politicize the discussion. See, education, especially in the humanities and so-called social sciences, is inherently and unavoidably political. The blandest, middle-of-the-road, on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand, unengaged, disinterested, milquetoast pedagogy for which Fish persistently . . . well, agitates is the wrong word . . . which he calmly suggests as some kind of alternative to whatever it is he thinks is currently going on is itself highly political, embedded with all kinds of cultural norms, economic theories, social assumptions, political and linguistic preferences, mores and ethical givens. Which is exactly the shining, neon fucking sign mounted at the center of Freire's work and shining like Vegas on a power surge. Fish's half-assed apolitical pedagogy is a deeply political proposal, a notion and practice arising directly from the political struggles of institutions of higher education in America at this very specific and particular point in time.

Watching Fish dash his skull against the edifice of a superior mind is kind of fun, like a good pile-up at the auto track, but it's also frustrating, because you can see the nice readers of the New York Times nodding along with it, comfortably ensconced in the belief that the broad, dominant, assumed, accepted culture of our times, its institutions, and its organization are apolitical, that methods of analysis and inquiry occupy a totally distinct universe from, um, "counter-hegemonic, even revolutionary, activity" . . . even though, fucking obviously, the maintenance of hegemony is not distinct from the critique of and struggle against hegemony insofar as they are all political acts.

Anyway, the solution is not the creation of counter-institutions but the eradication of education. The real radical proposition is not that there are different and better methods of teaching that will awaken the consciousness and conscience of the youth, but rather that compulsory instruction is violence and education is a violation. Put that in your pipe, Fish, you fucking hack.

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

To paraphrase Helene Cixous, saying that you have 'no politics' just means that you have somebody else's.

Fine point on the institutionalization tendencies in Freire; my own fave take on this is Ivan Illich's Deschooling Society. Well worth the read!

Montag said...

all i learned in school was the pledge of allegiance. still know that shit by heart.

two to the fighting eighth power said...

Take the first and last paragraphs above and compare to:

»We cannot say for certain what is to be done. What we do know is that the past appears, in one form or another, in the present, before our eyes, and from this appearance of dead forms we can identify what we think is counter-revolutionary. For example we see that consciousness is a concept that has been consistently deployed in past revolutionary attempts and because those attempts all failed the concept of consciousness and its role must be questioned. Our critique of consciousness begins with our understanding of the failure of revolutions: we see that consciousness, as an organising principle, has always been deployed by a certain section of the bourgeoisie which seeks to use working class muscle to gain political power for itself.« — Monsieur Dupont (Nihilist Communism)

Anonymous said...

"Most leftish thinkers are."

Are you talking about Fish here? Because I don't know any liberals who'd call him liberal or leftist (if they were aware of him). He's one of those 'liberals' who the MSM gives comulmn inches to because - well, I don't relly know why? To make leftists look bad? Because he's part of the 'in' group of pundits? Because he's perfected a snotty know-it-all tone, despite clearly being more full of BS than a cow pasture?

-Barry

Mr.Fundamental said...

You make everything a fucking travesty!

IOZ said...

I'm talking about Freire.

davidly said...

The group recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance began for me in kindergarten. Nine years later, Ms. Hancock incited us with, "Répéter avec mois..." In between I rehearsed the Apostle's Creed and Profession of Faith enough to learn the difference between the two.

I await further instructions.

Jess said...

I hope I'm not skull-dashing here...

Do you support Arizona House Bill 2281? As much as a Fish column taxes my paltry powers of comprehension, he seems to be against this legislation. To my eye, he only criticizes the politic-"ized" classroom for the cover it provides to the culture-war cretins in the Arizona House. I suspect he would agree with you that education is inherently a politic-"al" act, "although that descriptive will not be heard by [Fish] as a criticism." (To your larger point, if you're after the eradication of public or organized education, then I agree!) The "virus" sentence was just a blinking light to help the average Times reader get through the article without using his finger. Fish sprinkles nuggets like "paradigm" and "magisterial tone" as intellectualist flavoring for an otherwise thin gruel.

Anyway, I'm all for defending interesting thinkers against the assaults of Times columnists, but I don't think Fish is after Freire here. That would be like criticizing Marx for something Hugo Chavez did. I read Fish as urging Tuscon's educators to take a lower-key approach, at least while the culture warriors are in ascendancy in the state legislature. That doesn't mean they can't talk about Jefferson's slave-holding or whatever, just that they'd avoid a lot of grief by not publishing "social justice" tripe on their website.

IOZ said...

I suspect he would agree with you that education is inherently a politic-"al" act.

So you haven't read Fish. Do.

Rowan said...

If there's any post that needed a "soi-distant" it's this one.

Michael Dawson said...

Fish stinks, but I'm not down with the anarchist riff on "mandatory education."

This is one where you anarchists are a) way out of line with the masses, who want and like schools, especially when they are accessible and well-designed and adequately funded, b) throwing out the baby with the bathwater, and c) trying to suggest a Great Leap Forward from here to anarchist paradise.

And teaching against past teaching is a damned fine and important thing.

James W. Loewen, bitches.

Montag said...

MD, i can't speak for the masses, but in an anarchist paradise where i only had to work 10-15 hours a week to survive, i'd rather my kids be free to figure shit out in their own way rather than be compelled to go to school. as it is now, it could be that parents need- ("want and like"?) -the free daycare aspect of schooling.

IOZ said...

Oh yeah, El-Oh-El, "this is one where you anarchists are way out of line with the masses." As opposed to our other really popular, kid-tested, mom-approved solutions to the angoise of life in society.

Also, LOL: The Masses.

Anonymous said...

This is one where you anarchists are a) way out of line with the masses, who want and like schools,

Also, riffing on "mandatory education" does not necessarily preclude non-mandatory education or even schools.

Professor Coldheart said...

the masses, who want and like schools, especially when they are accessible and well-designed and adequately funded

Well, sure, and I'd like a cat, provided it barked.

Anonymous said...

@ Montag

Hear, hear!

Capt'n Obvious
(user of aforementioned gub'mint services)

Anonymous said...

I totally agree about the need to end compulsory schooling. I am constantly surprised as I talk to friends and acquaintances about my plan to unschool my children that very, very few of them can imagine leaving the school system, even individually, let alone on a mass scale.

See John Holt for foundational theory and books on unschooling and the harm of school. Grace Llewellyn's book The Teenage Liberation Handbook: how to quit school and get a real life and education is a wonderful text to give that teenager in your life. I really wish someone had given it to me when I was 14.

lucid said...

While I don't necessarily favor compulsory education, I do think there exists a need for free public education programs. While, if I ever have children, I would strongly consider home schooling them, I can only consider it because I happen to be competent in the three R's and also have a solid science and social science background. Most are not so lucky.

NutellaonToast said...

but... but... lucid... there is a problem with school so they are awful! Clearly if there is a problem with a certain thing a complete lack of it will be better!

That's why I don't eat, because some food makes you fat. I know some morons say you can eat food properly, but since when have the masses ever done that?!?!!?! I say just get rid of food all together. We totally don't need it.

Brian M said...

Nutella: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=13959

Michael Dawson said...

It's hilarious to see beneficiaries of haute-elite schooling telling the plebs they can do without schools.

Meanwhile, not only does riffing on "mandatory education" not only preclude the existence of voluntary schooling, it doesn't even ask if what we have is something other than 100 percent authoritarian compulsion.

And as to the masses, not only didn't I capitalize it, but go ahead and yuck it up furballs. The option between abandonment and non-abandonment of democracy is, I admit, on the agenda for real. But it is an intellectual and ethical choice.

If I ever laugh at the masses as a concept, I will retire from worrying about current affairs.

Michael Dawson said...

"not only not preclude"

Anonymous said...

You've made me so nostalgic for the centrist academics from the mid50s to early 60s of the last century, who really thought they were being dispassionate by earnestly contrasting totalitarian mechanics with democratic mechanics.

My uncle, who retired as the Carter Professor of Sociology at UCLA, was once the chair of the Sociology Dept at Yale.

So we would trundle up to New Haven from Westchester for T-giving, and occasionally, there'd be people like Daniel Bell over for dinner.

My aunt was a great cook, on the other hand ... I still remember her mince pie with homemade hard-sauce ...

augustus818 said...

"This is one where you anarchists are a) way out of line with the masses, who want and like schools, especially when they are accessible and well-designed and adequately funded, b) throwing out the baby with the bathwater, and c) trying to suggest a Great Leap Forward from here to anarchist paradise."

Mike let me go point by point,


A) A purty building with good decor, doors that open on command, and money seeping out the cracks does not guarantee you'll become a burger flipper at BK, much less get the needed skills and knowledge to become a well rounded and critical thinking individual.

B) Did you ever think to keep it in your pants before you made that mistake?

C) Better a voluntary Great Leap forward, than a mandatory Great Fall Flat on Your Face.

Montag said...

HEY! if i'd had the benefit of haute-elite schooling don't you think i would know what that meant?

Michael Dawson said...

aug818:

a) Never said that.

b) ?

c) Spoken like Chairman Mao, and also simply off the point.

On this one, the anarchist position is simply stupid. Good teaching and real learning are possible. Schools, even in this nuthouse of a nation-state, are far from simple daddy-slaps.

The obvious way forward is radical expansion and improvement of the nation's schools.

Alas, that'll never reach the agenda, as its implications are way to dangerous to the status quo.

Meanwhile, you anarchists can continue to side with Newt Gingrich on the issue.

tooearly said...

Ioz: Your comments on Freire remind me of McKnight's recollection of Illich's advice to him:
"The only thing I can do is to proscribe the world you shouldn't enter. The one thing I SHOULDN'T do is to PRESCRIBE the things you should do in the world you are in".
this was i think a serious point of contention between Illich and Freiere

Anonymous said...

"shining like Vegas on a power surge"..nice, but overwrought. Vegas IS a power surge.

Your usual vicious wit, gleefully angry revelation of radical conundrums, and weak meaningless conclusion...par for the course (er, you're not a golfer, standard stuff). I'd give it a C+, but you'd say you don't care.

There you go.

--Donny

IOZ said...

Ha! Someone appears to have, uh, inverted the stoodnt-teacher relationship. Feel free to put it on the evaluation form, though. We, uh, really VALUE YOUR FEEDBACK. LOL.

davidly said...

Lucid:
I have no doubt that you are competent in the three Rs, as you do manage to get your thoughts across lucidly. Still, you mixed the first and second conditional in that long-ass sen'ence o' yers.

Mr.Fundamental said...

I'm an.. .a. . .ah. . . uh. . .um, whatever, what day is it? call me an anarchist, if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

and duh, by definition, plebs can't learn anything in school. so, um, good luck with that project! most people just want a life, usually, of their own. is what I've found. AND JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE HAUTE-ELITE EDUCATION HAS YIELDED IN THE FERTILE MIND OF MONSIEUR IOZ.

Dawson, you're a fucking bigot.

Anonymous said...

Wait, people like Stanley Fish?

Mr.Fundamental said...

BLAWG

NOBODY IS IMMUNE NOT EVEN MEEEEE

Mr.Fundamental said...

the royal People, you know, the editorial

Joe said...

"Alas, that'll never reach the agenda, as its implications are way to dangerous to the status quo."

It looks like you're halfway to the anarchist position yourself. The problem with the public school system, aside from the fact that it's compulsory, is that its purpose is to reinforce the status quo.

Anonymous said...

"The obvious way forward is radical expansion and improvement of the nation's schools."

We must go forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling toward freedom!

Anonymous said...

Fuck school. I want to live in a Cormac McCarthy novel like a real anarchist!

Joe said...

Yes, because clearly the only thing standing between civilized society and a post-apocalyptic nightmare scenario is a compulsory "educational" system. Thank god for them public schools.

Anonymous said...

You people are douchy.

Debbie H. said...

Come on, people don't be so afraid. Educational anarchy works just fine. People are doing it every day. When you finally leave school, YOU do it everyday. Educational anarchy

Anonymous said...

Everything Mike Dawson said.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

as it is now, it could be that parents need- ("want and like"?) -the free daycare aspect of schooling.

montag boots the pelota through the keeper's 5-hole.

Dawson probably never has worked with kids. He's too busy working with "ideas" -- the ideas of others, which he reformulates and offers as his own. Bully for Dawson! He's even used the handle of Perrineau's character on lowbrow LOST. Sweetness!

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Dawson dipshittery:

The obvious way forward is radical expansion and improvement of the nation's schools.

Bigger government! MORE and LONGER mandatory inculcation and indoctrination! Teach them what Dawson dictates!

Supplicate now, and worship him! Dawson the uber-pedant!