Friday, May 21, 2010

Proud We Are of All of Them

I will say this much, though. Despite what I said yesterday, I am still amazed that libertarian political types such as the Pauls père et fils do the whole possum-in-a-halogen-high-beam routine every time the subject of civil rights comes up. If you want evidence of Rand Paul's carelessness, thoughtless, and blithe disregard for racial inequality in America, it is not to be found in his mild intellectual opposition to a piece of dubiously successful, half-century-old social legislation, but rather in the fact that he appears totally unprepared to speak fluently about race in America . . . a subject that has dogged candidates of his pedigree for years. "What, oh, um, yeah. Uh, black people? You're asking me about black people, right?"

Although I do not endorse the Paul candidacy, because he is by all indications a moron, because I don't live in his state, and because I don't vote, endorse candidates (except for Candidate-for-Death, Communist Gus Hall), or care, I am nevertheless going to offer him, totes gratis, yo, this not-even-inaccurate, pat, prepackaged, even moderately eloquent reply to the Civil Rights Act questions that will invariably arise:

I believe that in the kind of civil society I hope to create, laws like the Civil Rights Act will be unnecessary, but that that society is a long way away. Long before we get there, we must address the issues of our ruinous debt, our unjust and unnecessary foreign wars, our disastrous war on drugs, and the increasing intrusion of government into every aspect of our private lives. I believe that by applying these principles, we will create a fairer, better country for all of our citizens, regardless of race, and that in such a society, we can find a way to address our fears and prejudices about each other through respect, civic dialogue, and cooperation, rather than through the force of laws and courts.
Rinse. Repeat. Sound of crickets. Katie Couric blinks. A dog howls.

On a related note, and not that we'd ever dream of trolling for nebbish good-liberal opprobrium, I just want to point out for the Avogadro's Numberth time that while progs remain desperately convinced that the greatest threat to human life on this planet is some horrific, satanic cartel of Rush Limbaugh, some Tea-Party protester with a spelling problem, and a marginal libertarian congressional candidate from an unremarkable state, it is in fact Barack Obama who is killing thousands of innocent people, presiding over the ongoing oppression of racial minorities through the drug war, transferring billions upon billions of dollars from private citizens to speculative corporate enterprises, and so on and so forth. In other words, the pricipal nexus for violence, death, destruction, and injustice is our so-called "First African-American President," the avatar of Hope and Change, the supposedly most "progressive" of candidates, who is in reality as big a death-worshipping corporate hack as anyone. Not only that, but Obama has explicitly and repeatly explained that he is not interested in proposing or supporting programs and policies specifically targeted at the advancement of black folk. And not only that, but his public pronouncements on race, especially on absentee black fathers are not only deeply conservative, but would, if uttered by, say, Rand Paul, be roundly denounced by Obama's own progressive supporters as revanchist, atavistic, and racist. Which, in fact, they are.

68 comments:

Sister Mary Ann Archy said...

Did you mean, "the principal nexus for violence, death, destruction, and injustice"? This is not the first time, IOZ. Next time I'm calling your parents.

Leonard said...

You don't understand. St. Barack just has to do all those rotten things, so that he can stay in power. He must have power so that he can do many other wonderful things, like hoping and changing stuff! Isn't health care reform worth a few wars?

stras said...

This post is all over the place. What the fuck do Barack Obama's war crimes have to do with the usefulness of lack thereof of the Civil Rights Act? I see a lot of frantic handwaving here, and predict yet another exasperated, barely-coherent post on the subject of "anarchy" within a day or two.

IOZ said...

Lol. Hooked one already.

Anonymous said...

spot on, dude

Montag said...

well, Obama hasn't just claimed executive power to assassinate Muslim Americans outside of any judicial process. he's claimed the power to designate ANY American citizen for assassination. a very equal, post-race, colorblind policy. be interesting to see how inclusive such a policy will be in application.

stras said...

Hooked one what? Dude, you don't know shit about me.

la Rana said...

shit, stuck in the gills. get the pliers.

stras said...

I've no quibbles with the broad argument being made here (to the extent that it's made here) that liberals have done little to earn the respect and loyalty of nonwhites. I don't even have a problem with the historical argument that I take to being made - that one overlapping set of public/private racist institutions has been effectively replaced by another.

The problem I have is with the staggering naivete on display when it comes to Paul, and the suggestion, however slight, that he represents some meaningful alternative to the cruise-missile Democrats across the aisle. The reason Rand Paul would never make the statement you've written for him is that he doesn't want to make it, that he doesn't actually give a shit about ending the drug war or the prison state or the American empire, because he's as much a worthless shit as anyone running for a Senate seat. That's why it's the Senate; that's the point of the Senate.

And while I know that you've gone out of your way to say that you're not endorsing him in any way, you still sound like pretty much every Daily Kos diarist who's ever gone on about "what Obama should really say", as if Obama represented anything other than the closing fist of the American imperial state.

Anonymous said...

YHBT. YHL.

IOZ said...

stras - your ability to ferret an endorsement out of an insult suggests that your time would be more lucratively spent in politics. or designing dvd cases.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps we should all take a moment to reread the GI chapter in D's TBK ...

Charles F. Oxtrot said...
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Charles F. Oxtrot said...

stras @ 11:19

reads like a combo of Melissa McEwan, Digby, Jane Hamsher, and a gaggle of goofballs who worship those 3 Positively Pwogwessive Pyooo-jell-ysts.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

stras @ 11:54

reads like a well-educated meth-head babbling after his first blue-top in a couple of weeks.

go, Pwoggie!

Jon Bois said...

oh dang. i mean, you're right. Kentucky is, in most respects, unremarkable, but remember that we grow more weed than every state that isn't California. also, our bourbon is delicious. also, Diane Sawyer grew up here!!!

Anonymous said...

lotta good music came out of Louisville in the early 90's, too

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

like Slint and Squirrel Bait? no shittles?

drip said...

Kentucky has Mitch McConnell and Jim Bunning, the man Rand Paul is trying to replace. It is not an unremarkable state at all.

Dan said...

And Will Oldham, Gastr del Sol...

stras said...

your ability to ferret an endorsement out of an insult suggests that your time would be more lucratively spent in politics. or designing dvd cases

Your stance on Paul is that he's stupid, and your correction to this is that he should articulate himself more clearly, to explain to the Maddows of the world that his ideas have real merit. But the ideas you ascribe to him aren't ones he cares for. Paul doesn't give a shit about the drug war or the prison state or American militarism, and his failure to clearly stand for them isn't due to a lack of intellect - it's because he's opposed to them. He's not an idiot, he's a charlatan.

The liberal's stance on Obama is that he's "weak," or that he's "triangulating," or that he's "selling out his beliefs," and their correction to this is that Obama should "stand up for what he believes in." But Obama is standing up for what he believes in; that's the entire problem. Obama isn't a sellout, he's a monster.

Both of these are exercises in delusion, projection and fantasy. It'd be nice if Rand Paul were just an idiot incapable of coherently articulating his libertarian beliefs, but it's clear from the last several months of his campaign that he has no meaningful libertarian beliefs.

IOZ said...

stras - your ability to ferret an endorsement out of an insult suggests that your time would be more lucratively spent in public relations. or designing dust jackets.

Solar Hero said...

Obam is a monster, but the polls all say he still has something like 75% approval from blacks. I get Flavor-Flav's "now we got a black president, step back!" -- but it really leaves me flaberghasted, especially when someone like Ishmael Reed (!) comes to his defense.

And I'm equal-opportunity hater -- have some dear Baby Boomer friends who refuse to recognize that Obama is a war criminal (although they were all over Bush for the same crimes)...we're dealing here with something deeper than the American political subconscious or whatever...I believe we are dealing with the fact that most people, from Prog to Randian to Xtian, are highly wounded, terrified and blinkered into following these monsters.

So proclaim to all the salvation l'IOZ: cocaine during the week; pot on the weekends (and good food and booze all week long!)

stras said...

IOZ, do I have to point to you the umpty-hundred times in the past when you've chewed out Digby or Glenn Greenwald for getting mad at some political figure for the wrong reason? The content of your insult is as follows: that Rand Paul is a stupid person who advocates a worthwhile cause. This is wrong, and not merely wrong, but deluded in the same way that American liberalism's relationship to the Democratic Party is deluded: it assumes a corruption or weakening of some worthwhile ideal, where in fact no such ideal exists. You've asserted that Paul is a stupid libertarian, when he's neither.

Michael said...

Nice to see IOZ lashing out at the general electorate more and more. He may be coming close to having enough water in his glass to, uh, swallow the red pill.

Anonymous said...

When did AlanSmithee begin posting as Charles F. Oxtroot?

Mr.Fundamental said...

OVER THA LINE

stras, I'm going to have to flag you for violating Section 121-5A.1.b.ii (last revised Aug 6, 2007) of the Internet Code. while those were all excellent examples of stupidity on the parts of Spleenwald and Gibdy, this is in FACT Monsieur's blog, whereby he is permitted to BLAWGITY BLAWG ALL THE DAMN DAY LONG about whatever politician made him mad, (hell, made him mad indirectly through the communicative conduit of friends, family, and co-workers, facebook, the media, et al and etc) even for all the wrong reasons (they're all wrong). but alas, stras, he is no more wrong than anyone else, and well, is kinda funny.

WHO'S THE ANARCHIST NOW BEEYOTCHEZ

IOZ said...

I didn't say that Paul advocated a worthwhile cause. Actually he advocates several worthwhile causes, while remaining hopelessly mired in conventional thought on others. I only illustrate how self-serving, venal, dubious, tendentious, and insane is the liberal proposition that a person like Rand Paul represents a greater threat to liberty, racial equaility, fairness, justice, puppies, kittens, and bug-eyed goldfish than a psychopath like Barack Obama. Your biases are showing. Zip up.

Anonymous said...

This here weblog needs a nice healthy dose of Kit Lasch.

Enron said...

What does the liberal in liberal mean again?

Rowan said...

Did anyone else get a little confused when John Goodman started arguing with a character named "Donnie" on Treme last week? He's basically playing Liberal Walter on the show, so he's endlessly entertaining, but still.

Solar Hero said...

Wow, I'm constantly amazed at how Cockburn picks up your themes, IOZ, every Friday for his "diary:"

"Rand Paul, after five minutes of jabbing from Maddow, could have easily swerved the conversation towards issues more congenial to the MSNBC audience than his theoretical take on the Civil Rights Act. He could have denounced the farce of financial “reform”, of Bush’s and Obama’s wars, of constitutional abuses. These are all libertarian positions. But no. He couldn’t stop himself shoving his foot in his mouth. He seems dumb."

From the latest at Counterpunch:

http://counterpunch.org/cockburn05212010.html

mistah charley, ph.d. said...

The dog in your new masthead looks like the dog in Jim Henson's The Storyteller

http://tinyurl.com/9axj8q

visibly agitated said...

Sound of crickets. Katie Couric blinks. A dog howls.

The dog doesn't howl. It scratches itself twice and commences licking its balls.

LA Confidential Pantload said...

Fuck all this nonsense. Where's my goddam Foodie Friday? And, BTW and TOT, what's your opinion of Tommy Castro, IOZ? Just happened to hit a couple of his YouTubes before I stopped her...after a bottle of Captain Morgan, of course.

Anonymous said...

I just want to point out for the Avogadro's Numberth time that while progs remain desperately convinced that the greatest threat to human life on this planet is some horrific, satanic cartel of Rush Limbaugh, some Tea-Party protester with a spelling problem, and a marginal libertarian congressional candidate from an unremarkable state, it is in fact Barack Obama who is killing thousands of innocent people, presiding over the ongoing oppression of racial minorities through the drug war, transferring billions upon billions of dollars from private citizens to speculative corporate enterprises, and so on and so forth. In other words, the pricipal nexus for violence, death, destruction, and injustice is our so-called "First African-American President,"

No. It's not Barack Obama. It's the American empire, of which Obama is the current chief executive. Obama has dissapointingly failed to reverse the trend started in 1945, ramped into high gear in 1980 and jumped to hyperspace in 2000 but all this shit would be going on without him.

Remember, in 1960, John F. Kennedy was killing a lot more people than the Klan was. But the question wasn't JFK vs. the Klan. It was JFK vs. the political tendency of which the Klan was only a small part. Putting the segregationist Goldwater in power in 1964 wouldn't have stopped Vietnam. It woudl have stopped Civil Right and gave us Vietnam anway.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Anonymous @ 9:48 pm reveals a barely-closeted Donklefetish.

Note the dates: Reagan. Dubya.

As emblems of the worst? Somehow Nonny forgets the role of the Donkle in all that.

MORE, BETTER DEMOCRATS! screams Nonny.

Good job Nonny.

.............

Dipshit Nonny earlier @ 2:42 pm thinks Smithee and I are the same person.

What makes a dipshit think such dipshittery? Dipping his tongue in the fecal swill again?

Smithee and I may share a sense of humor and disdain, but we are two different people. Besides, you insult at least one of us by equating us.

davidly said...

I ask Anon 9:48 PM: What is "the trend started in 1945, ramped into high gear in 1980 and jumped to hyperspace in 2000"?

Anonymous said...

Note the dates: Reagan. Dubya.


Sorry for insulting both your heros, but note what I actually did say.

Obama has dissapointingly failed to reverse the trend started in 1945, ramped into high gear in 1980 and jumped to hyperspace in 2000

What party was in power in 1945? Hint. Not the Republicans. There were also two, yes TWO presidents in 1945, neither again a Republican.

So I called out 4 presidents, Bush II, Reagan, Roosevelt and Truman.

But you missed that because your PUMA obsession with Obama has simply rotted out your tiny little brain.

Anonymous said...

What is "the trend started in 1945, ramped into high gear in 1980 and jumped to hyperspace in 2000"?

Sorry. I was assuming people knew basic American history.

1945: Manhattan Project, Permanent standing American army.

1980: Resurgence of the Cold War after the Vietnam era malaise

2000: Assertion of unrestricted American imperial power in the wake of the Soviet Union's collapse.

I can't really help it if Republicans were in power in 1980 and 2000 and if that spoils the whole "Republicans are anti-militarist just like my hero Robert Taft was" fantasy but so be it.

stras said...

I didn't say that Paul advocated a worthwhile cause. Actually he advocates several worthwhile causes, while remaining hopelessly mired in conventional thought on others.

And this is precisely the naivete I was talking about. Rand Paul does not meaningfully advocate for the end of the drug war and American militarism, any more than Barack Obama advocates for universal health care or an end to torture. If Paul did represent anything along those lines, he would actually campaign on them. But instead he's run on militarizing the border, on deporting illegal immigrants, on maintaining America's terror gulags, on declaring war on Afghanistan. Over the course of his campaign he's run as far and as fast as possible away from drug decriminalization, from anti-war talk, from anything worthwhile and human, to advocating the continuation and indeed the strengthening of the crimes being carried out by this government. The reason Rand Paul wouldn't deliver your not-even-inaccurate, pat, prepackaged, even moderately eloquent reply is not that he's too stupid to think of it - it's that he's opposed to every word of it.

Anonymous said...

Rand Paul does not meaningfully advocate for the end of the drug war and American militarism, any more than Barack Obama advocates for universal health care or an end to torture.

But But But Robert Taft didn't want to go into Nato or something and Johson went into Vietnam?

(hint: Goldwater's criticism of Johnson in 1964 was that Johnson didn't want to utterly destroy Vietnam)

I mean PWOGS are evil or something and Alexander Cockburn is the greatest diplomatic mind since Tallyrand and Ben Franklin, right?

davidly said...

Sorry. I was assuming people knew basic American history.

Well aren't we snippy. I just happen to think that the trend of which you speak is still after your response to my question weakly defined.

I guess you mean the dropping of the big bombs when you refer to the Manhattan Project, otherwise you could've gone back to '39 or earlier (certainly earlier as far the standing army is concerned; you might want to expand upon your US History in charts and graphs).

And if you seriously believe that 2000 was the advent of the "assertion of unrestricted American imperial power" then you're also getting your knowledge of recent history from the funny pages.

Anonymous said...

IOz: "I didn't say that Paul advocated a worthwhile cause. Actually he advocates several worthwhile causes...."

Oh, really? Please be so kind as to go to his official campaign web site and actually quote just one of the good doctor's "worthwhile causes".

--Donny

Peter Ward said...

RE: 12:01

Oh, really? Please be so kind as to go to his official campaign web site and actually quote just one of the good doctor's "worthwhile causes".

In fact, on his website he draws (admittedly oblique) attention to probably the single most "worthwhile" economic problem--the Fed's tyrannical control of the money supply--

FEDERAL RESERVE

With so much blame going around for the current financial crisis it is surprising that so few in the mainstream press have discussed the role of the Federal Reserve System. For too long the Federal Reserve has operated behind a shroud of mystery—as Senator I would make sure that all Americans understand the dangers of unsound monetary policy and shed light on this secretive organization.

Lynyrd Skynhead said...

Although I do not endorse the Paul candidacy, because he is by all indications a moron, because I don't live in his state, and because I don't vote, endorse candidates (except for Candidate-for-Death, Communist Gus Hall), or care

Right, pumpkin, you don't care. I mean, you just figgered, you'd already whacked off for the day and smoked a doobie, so to kill the last few productive hours at work, and given, once again, that you had nothing at all better to do, you decided to write a couple emotional stemwinders defending one of the Paultards, using mainly the same risible tu quoque reasoning you used to defend Papa Paultard when it turned out that he, also, was too, uh, "naive" to avoid putting out white supremacist newsletters with his name on them.

Why, I'm beginning to detect a pattern here...

Anonymous said...

Oxtrot - look, son, it's really embarrassing watching you time and time again try to ingratiate yourself to the in-crowd with your deep-as-a-Dixie-cup attempts to attack anyone who says something too complex for you to understand (that is, just about everyone) as a pwoggie cultish devotee of Hamsher, Digby, etc. Unlike you, of course, who spend all your time standing on your hind legs like the tiny yipping doggie you are, trying desperately to lick IOZ's taint and get a "Good boy!" for your efforts.

Go ahead, junior. Try to point out what's wrong, using specific examples, with anything stras has said here. Simply repeatedly calling him one of the many variations of pwoggie doesn't cut it. Really, try it. This should be good.

IOZ said...

What is a PUMA?

Anonymous said...

And if you seriously believe that 2000 was the advent of the "assertion of unrestricted American imperial power" then you're also getting your knowledge of recent history from the funny pages.

Are you being willfully obtuse or are you just trolling?

I quite clearly listed it as the last date in a trend that began in 1945? And I clearly indicated I believed that the military industrial complex is a creation of both the Democrats and the Repulicans.

What I don't believe (and what apparently alot of people here believe) is that the military industrial complex is a special province of the Democrats, that Obama has gone very far beyond Bush, or that a right wing "libertarian" Goldwaterite like Paul is an alternative.

But if it bothers you so much that I mentioned 1980 and 2000 I'll just change the dates to 1976 and 1999.

It doesn't make Rand Paul any more of an alternative that it was.

And it doesn't make the left/right Populist alliance Cockburn would like to see any less moronic.

Anonymous said...

FWIW, all Maddow did was ask Paul questions about his views on Civil Rights

I'm not sure why she's being so vehemently attacked over it. It's not really her job to construct an alternative agenda to corporate liberalism.

Maddow isn't using the "Tea Party" as a bogeyman.

Rand Paul claimed time after time in his speech (I think he might have mentioned it 6 or 7 times) that the "Tea Party" helped him win the election.

Should she not have asked him about it?

Anonymous said...

PUMA: Staunch Clinton supporters who collectively freaked out once Obama won the primaries and vowed not to vote for him. Their rallying cry was "Party unity my ass!" Hence, PUMA.

I must say, the thought of you as a rabid Clinton supporter during the '08 primary is giving me quite a chuckle today. Thanks to whichever nonny threw that out there.

IOZ said...

Ahahahaha. Oh shit that is hilarious. Only in America.

Montag said...

:)

Dan said...

Maybe this was addressed before, I dunno, having skipped some of the comments, but...umm...Jimmy Carter was pars'dent in 1980 and Clinton in 2000. Nonny *was* blaming the Dems.

And IOZ, I love you, but...oh wait, no "but" necessary. You're right on with this. I wish you would take on the Gospels or something, so this proto-theologian won't feel like such a dittohead.

davidly said...

I quite clearly listed it as the last date in a trend that began in 1945?

Again with the trend. What this:

2000: Assertion of unrestricted American imperial power in the wake of the Soviet Union's collapse.

But if it bothers you so much that I mentioned 1980 and 2000 I'll just change the dates to 1976 and 1999.

Thanks for clearing that up. Don't forget to update your list.

Brother Seamus said...

Reading comprehension, people. Anon was calling everyone's favorite simpleton, Oxtrot, a PUMA, not IOZ.

Nonny Mouse said...

Good job looking like a lobotomized clown over at Alicublog, Charles F. I laughed my ass off at you. Out of your element indeed.

Enron said...

PUMA=People United Means Action. Truly Amazing.

almostinfamous said...

more people should use Avogadro's number as a reference.

The Promiscuous Reader said...

I wish you would take on the Gospels or something, so this proto-theologian won't feel like such a dittohead.

That's what I'm here for, Dan.

Anonymous said...

Most grownups understand that the reason the Civil Rights Act became necessary is that sadly, Jim Crow did not disappear from our culture on its own.

Even William F. Buckley, a staunch opponent of the CRA for years, finally conceded that it was ultimately, necessary.

The Libertarian Utopia of happy, fun, productive corporations, competently running themselves for both private and (de facto) public benefit, without any governmental interventions, laws to obey or public accountability is a childish dream and will never happen.

Left to their own, private industry will not curtail its excesses. That should be plainly obvious. The fox will NOT guard the hens, it will eat them.

The same stupidity led to the dismantling of protective legislation (Glass-Stengal) that was enacted IN RESPONSE to the great depression and, which legislation for 70 years prevented another. Within 10 years of that idiotic move, the economy is BROKEN again.

Even if you were too ignorant to understand the correlation between the unbridled capitalism of the so-called Gilded Age and the subsequent depression; even if you did not understand that dismantling Glass-Stengal would result in Depression II; even if you do not see the connection between the unrestrained, unsupervised, ungoverned financial world AND the consequences to the human race -- it should be clear that unrestrained capitalism, which of course is the inevitable result of the embrace of total libertarianism is a complete disaster to humans everywhere.

Perhaps it is unfair to say he is stupid, but Dr. Paul endorses a childish and naiive world view where foxes do guard the henhouse and would never dream of eating all the chickens.

IOZ said...

"Even William F. Buckley..." "Libertarian Utopia..." "Unbridled capitalism..." Egregious explication of common figure of speech . . . We done got ourselves a live one.

Anonymous said...

It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, ...

Dan said...

Re: Promiscuous' "That's what I'm here for, Dan."

Goddamn it. Now I have to start following yet another blawg.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

2:04pm Nonny --

You're funny, being as wrong as you are about me. I don't care if IOZ hates my guts, nor if the IOZzies feel likewise. I don't post for their approval.

But the projector you use to cast your own desires onto me, it's pretty nifty!

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

PS to 2:04 pm Nonny -- I think I already commented on "stras" and his/her nonsense. Please feel free to imagine your accusations convert what I said into something other than what I said. Please do that!

NutellaonToast said...

"IOZ said...
"Even William F. Buckley..." "Libertarian Utopia..." "Unbridled capitalism..." Egregious explication of common figure of speech . . . We done got ourselves a live one.

1:50 PM
Anonymous said...
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, ..."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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