Who Is IOZ?: Jewish Military Union

Tuesday, June 01, 2010

Jewish Military Union

You know, I am not even going to get into the particulars of the Israeli raid in the Mediterranean. Suffice to say: that shit is fucked. I am glad to see that it has raised the hackles of many of the world's less-insane countries, our own mealy-mouthed hegemon excepted, needless to say, although obviously it's very sad that it should cost even a single human life to get anyone's attention. The point that really bears repeating is that the Gaza Strip is a concentration camp. I do not mean that as a metaphor or an analogy. I am not building a comparison. It isn't a figure of speech. Gaza is literally a concentration camp.

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StonedTerrorist said...: Such things are classic symptoms of a dying empire.
Truth is increasing losing value in the west, the intellectual giants of our time like Chomsky and Finkelstein are ostracized and ignored. When nations ignore their most intelligent, honest intellectuals....they die.; 10:33 AM
Inkberrow said...: It is indeed gratifying to see especially Muslims worldwide awakening finally to the idea that the deaths of targeted civilians are abhorrent and unjustifiable no matter what the political and sectarian backdrop. Now for fearful symmetry all we need are the standard-issue lectures and warnings from mod-prog pundits, Democratic politicians, and the mainstream press concerning dread Overreactions, and a Possible Backlash (but this time against Istaelis and Jews, here and abroad). Yes, civilian deaths. Attention must be paid.; 11:07 AM
Jack Crow said...: So, to Inkberrow this is all a good thing because...

...Muslims might discover that we Jews are human too?; 11:15 AM
StonedTerrorist said...: Inkberrow, how do you define terrorism? More importantly, how do you rank it? Who is the bigger terrorist, the one who kills more people or the one who retaliates with desperate force? I DO agree that both ARE terrorists. But please...
Please bring your own body count stats, i dont want to post any. Please bring your own and show who is the bigger terrorist.
Blind people like you disgust me.; 11:17 AM
Inkberrow said...: Jack Crow---

It would be nice, but unfortunately Muslims are forbidden by law to walk even a fraction of a mile in infidel shoes. For what it's worth, mod-prog American Jews try to strike an appropriate balance by licking the dust from Angry Muslim shoes. Glenn Greenwald just intoned that the flotilla attack shows the world Israel's "real face". He's against criminal violence against civilians, you see! The "real face" of Angry Muslims, in case you were wondering, is that of a sensitive, misunderstood World Victim whom it's racist to characterize negatively, even after---especially after---their serial criminal violences against civilians.

Stoned Terrorist---

That's a powerful and trenchant blame-assignment mechanism, that "He started it!" and "She did worse than that!" stuff. Are you Robert Fulghum's grandson? How far back do we go, to Isaac and Ishmael? Too far? How about to Balfour, or to Israel's creation, or the subsequent Pan-Arab wars to extirpate Israel? Regardless, though, I sense your mature objectivity. I'll bet you can't wait to post in outrage after Israeli schoolbuses are blown up.; 11:36 AM
Jack Crow said...: "...but unfortunately Muslims are forbidden by law to walk even a fraction of a mile in infidel shoes."

Off your game today, Ink?; 11:50 AM
Anonymous said...: A pox on both their houses!; 11:52 AM
Inkberrow said...: If you say so, Jack Crow!; 11:57 AM
StonedTerrorist said...: Stats Inkberrow, stats. Show me the count. Tell me the names of those who died. Recite them.
Dont weasel out.
Go as far back as you can, tell me how many innocent civilians were killed by Israeli terrorists and how many were killed by Palestinian terrorists. Give me numbers.
Then rank your terrorists organizations, and then adjust your volume while speaking against each.
I can call hamas a terrorist organization, but can u call IDF the same?
Why not Inkberrow, why the hell not?
Be a human being and not an Israeli or a Jew.; 12:16 PM
Professor Coldheart said...: I don't know that trying to discern "who started it" profits us anything. If targeting civilians at all is our hallmark for monstrosity, then aren't both sides culpable? Isn't that, in fact, what the Dude's been saying?; 12:19 PM
StonedTerrorist said...: The Dude is absolutely right. There should be justice man, like both sides should pay for their shit. What i see is, only one side pays in heavy causalities, while the other side GETS paid, in $$$$: 3 billion annually.
And its the foundation's money, Bush didn't have any.; 12:25 PM
stras said...: We've been down this road with Inky many times before. Someone points out that Western powers have far more blood on their hands than Muslims, and he goes into an uppity snit, saying that that isn't the point, and starts barking about obscure passages in the Koran; someone brings up the numerous genocidal passages in the Bible, and Inky starts beating his chest over Nine-elevenmas and Don't You Remember; someone else reminds him that the US has killed hundreds of times the number that died on September 11th and it's wash, rinse, repeat again.; 12:41 PM
StonedTerrorist said...: Nationalism will die one day and will be replaced by rational humanism. Until then, the death of my people will not hold any weight to you, no matter how many die. Similarly, the death of your people should NOT hold the same weightage for me, technically.
But I am willing to make a conscious effort not to be a part of this established 'civilization', and be more like the world that i want to create.
If you make this effort Inkberrow, you will find what real happiness is, the kind that comes from truth and justice. Not the kind that comes from standing victoriously over a pile of carcasses.; 12:57 PM
Anonymous said...: I'm pretty upset about all this, as I had "shooting dozens of unarmed humanitarian aid workers on live television" in the "What won't Israel shills defend?" pool.; 1:36 PM
Inkberrow said...: StonedTerrorist---

No, I don't consider Begin et al "terrorists". Nor you, for that matter. Israelis are only too content to arrange meetings on the conventional battlefield. For obvious reasons that's disfavored by her enemies. Meanwhile, since 1948 Israelis have been content with a status quo involving the continued existence of the disputants; their Muslim antagonists have not. That ain't "nationalism", since the West for the most part drew the current lines. It's Pan-Muslim aggression, fueled by an implacable death-dealing hatred for Israel, Jews, and Israel's allies.

Stras et al---

War Islam totted up an equal share of corpses during its imperialistic-conquest periods. Nonetheless, it's not how much blood that matters so much as the manner, mode, and auspices of the shedding. The dead home-invading psycho has shed more blood that the homeowner with the smoking shotgun. The rightful shedding is not obviated thereby.

Anon @ 1:36---

I don't think "unarmed" means what you think it means.; 2:52 PM
Kurt said...: I had "shooting dozens of unarmed humanitarian aid workers on live television" in the "What won't Israel shills defend?" pool.

Why - it's not like this is the first time they've done it...; 2:59 PM
Kurt said...: The dead home-invading psycho has shed more blood that the homeowner with the smoking shotgun.

So you agree that colonial wars of aggression perpetrated by those of European descent have killed far more people than rock throwing 'terrorists' defending their homes... Wow - never thought I'd see the day where I agreed with Inky...; 3:05 PM
Inkberrow said...: Kurt---

In that particular connection, you're correct. Europe and other places in an army's range of Mecca, Baghdad, and Istanbul have had their rock-throwing days as well, though, just as imperialist Islam has racked up colonial slaughter and depredation on an impressive scale. Let's avoid selling Killer Islam short and begin the body counts with the Umayyad caliphate.; 3:18 PM
Anonymous said...: historical body counts do not matter. what does matter is that, here and now, a so-called "civilised" "modern" "democracy" is holding a large number of its people under siege. If we, as Jews, take anything from history, we should learn from our own recent and painful past, and not become the bully that aggressed against us.; 3:37 PM
Ashley said...: Isn't Gaza really a ghetto? With all the attendant symbolism and history of course. One supposes with the same future too. One is quite sad.; 4:03 PM
Anonymous said...: It's not a truly complete Inky appearance unless we can also get into why blacks are genetically stupider than whites.; 4:22 PM
StonedTerrorist said...: Inkberrow, you are a classic human scumbag, with the nonsense that you're spewing. The world would be much better of without people like you. And it is people like you who bring their own civilizations down with their extremely loud nonsense. You suppress the voice of reason in your own countries. You are the reason that Chomsky and Finkelstein and Sara Roy cant be heard.
If people like you die, the world would be a better place, if people like you live, you will bring your belligerent empires/civilizations down eventually, and the world would be a better place after that.
Im pretty optimistic about the whole affair actually, thank you, if you die or if you live. :); 4:47 PM
Inkberrow said...: Anon @ 3:37---

I agree on bodycounts, but tell that to Stras and StonerTerrorist. (Erroneous) bodycount disparities are the foundation of their anti-Israel, anti-West rationalizations.

That "bully" is whom----Hitler, for goodness sake? If Greenwald and other self-abnegating Jews imagine all this is even in the same galaxy as Hitler---or Bin Laden, Ahmedinejad, and Farrakhan---they really do suffer from Battered People Syndrome: "Gosh, what did we do to make them so mad at us?" They'll have plenty of takers among testocerony, hegemonically-minded Muslims. Heck, the whole existential threat to Israel is a big fat attempted Honor Killing.....

Anon @ 4:22---

Since I've never once posted anything remotely close to your bowdlerization here, you must be one of Desperate, Dishonest, or Stupid. Your choice.

Stoned Terrorist---

Ah, the mask drops altogether: "If people like you die, the world would be a better place". How reminiscient that is of those for whom you're carrying water here.; 7:30 PM
Contemplationist said...: Ah, the "international community" and the ragtag bag of gasbags (i apologize). How cool this shitz, man, like...i'ma be contrarian and shitz on everythin from drug war, to war, and like..yknow civil rights n shit, but ah from BBC to Indonesian Timez and like..yknow Hamas and France and turkey and Think Progs all agree! Jewz is da SUCK! Those bastid zionists, man I tell ya. We gotta judge those nazis different from all those murderous States in existence from like Westphalia onwards. Oh no, sire, Muslims never had or don't desire a worldwide caliphate, no SIR! So what if they had the power they would throw every jewish baby to its death? Leave that shit to the monster Zionazis to defend! We're gonna be all chic and go with the 'world opinion' on this one.; 7:40 PM
Inkberrow said...: It's all of a piece for the New Piety. Daniel Pearl died for Custer's sins.; 7:56 PM
la Rana said...: Unnecessary murder is only wrong if you're the only one. fascinating.

I mean, "they" killed a guy that looks like me! What do you expect me to do? Abide by the principles I pretend to think right!?; 9:21 PM
TGGP said...: The mention of concentration camps got me curious to check out how long the second Boer War lasted. 1899 to 1902. Then the Gaza siege: 2007-2010. I guess it should be nearly over then.

On the contrary, StonedTerrorist, I'd say listening to intellectuals sounds like a classic sign of decline. A healthy civilization has statesmen who are both intelligent thinkers and familiar with responsibility. Today we have a division of labor in which various camps of imbeciles stomp around breaking things while intellectuals defend their preferred imbeciles as not being as bad as the rest.

Contemplationist, what people would do if they had the opportunity is irrelevant because they've been losers for so long. Islam had a hard enough time keeping a caliphate together back in the age of transnational religious empires, it is a complete pipe-dream today. The problem they pose is less analogous to Stalin during the cold war than gangbangers during the crack wars.

I've been asking people lately what they think of the "three state solution". I'm surprised I only heard it recently, since going back to the status quo ante bellum would seem to mesh with those who harp on pre-1967 borders. Alternatively, I think it might be better if Israel just announced they were going to remove all the Palestinians in the territories. Population transfer has solved problems before. The exchange between Greece & Turkey is perhaps a model of doing so in a controlled way, but even the expulsion of Volkdeutsch can be regarded as a net win due to the source of major wars it eliminated.; 10:29 PM
Contemplationist said...: TGGP

I agree of course that an actual caliphate is a pipe dream. But thats not the point. The point is the stupid mindless repetition of thoughtless cliches bound together in an anti-israeli narrative which is completely devoid of even the basic realities of what the opponents of Israel themselves say they want.
They claim over and over again that they don't want any Jews in the middle east. None..its not about the 67 borders yada yada yada.

I will be for a population transfer, but c'mon dude, if a few murderous jew-hating idiots on a flotilla can cause such hatred of israel, can you imagine the headlines if Israel proposes a population transfer?

I agree that it could solve things. If India had accepted Pakistan's offer of a Hindu-Muslim population transfer in '47 things wud be better too.

But you're kidding yourself if you think this is about peace or solutions. The conflict is a post-modern one where narratives rule the roost. And in this post-modern, PR war, Israel's military strength is a weakness not a strength, and its conventional thinking is thoroughly trounced by savvy propagators of the jihadi narrative.; 10:41 PM
Contemplationist said...: And yes TGGP, I would venture out on a limb and say most anti-Israeli non-Muslims (maybe even Muslims) are COMPLETELY UNAWARE that Gaza and West Bank were parts of Egypt and Jordan previously. Israel, infact tried to hand them back over repeatedly. But that does not fit the narrative. So its been flushed out of pop history.; 10:44 PM
weaver said...: This thread is like reading a remaindered alternative history novel about the Soviet Union being conquered by elves.; 11:33 PM
TGGP said...: I think the narrative is for people who enjoy gabbing, and is less relevant for what's actually happening. I think Jim Henley makes good points that nothing seriously bad is going to happen to Israel as a result of this. David Bernstein is also right that it's not great strategy (go hard or go home), but Israel is in a strong enough position it can afford to make mistakes (remind you of any other countries?). The real danger to Israel is demographic: Arabs have higher birth rates and the most baby-popping Israelis don't work or serve in the military (though they are full of themselves and like to riot against government policy). The secular Ashkenazim who created and long dominated the country report that they'd like to leave, and so a "reverse aliyah" is taking place.

I remember reading a while back that residents of Kashmir don't want to be part of either Pakistan or India. But I usually hear about the conflict just in terms of the two states, without the "Kashmiris" as an independent entity. You have to launch a bloody revolution which needlessly kills your countrymen until the Old Boss goes home in order to deserve your own country, kids.; 2:22 AM
TGGP said...: Link for the reverse aliyah/changing demographics bit.; 2:25 AM
StonedTerrorist said...: @Inkberrow: what i meant was, that i dont see any difference between people like you and the ones who were tried at Nuremberg.

@TGGP. "listening to intellectuals is a classic sign of decline."?
I wish you had backed it up with something logical to think about because the statement does not make sense on its own.
Listening to real intellectuals is the best indicator of moral and social progress. It shows the level of education, tolerance, openness to new ideas and innovation in the society. If more people listen to intellectuals, they can make more informed decisions when it comes to democracy or exercising the right to vote or activism.
As the number of intelligent people increases in a society, the probability of having an intelligent statesman increases. this should be common sense by now, after thousands of years of human civilization.
From the Greek to Roman to Islamic civilization, and down to the renaissance in the west, all civilizations rise due to the sheer intellectual force of their thinkers. However, if you want real and meaningful progress you cant have intellectuals that are morally corrupt. For example, you want your political scientists to be smart enough to come up with new ideas and solutions for the world, while at the same time stupid enough to think that war in Iraq is something greater than quest for wealth and power. It doesnt work that way. You can either have dumb people or you can have smart people, the sad thing about our world is, we are encouraging the dumb ones while discouraging and ostracizing the smart ones.

And the saddest thing is, that after so much time, human beings still have to SAY these things in order to be understood, and these things are not a part of our collective consciousness yet. WE still have to CONDEMN innocent deaths to tell some of us that it is WRONG. Have we made no progress since Babylon?; 7:31 AM
IOZ said...: The conflict is a post-modern one where narratives rule the roost.

War in the age of digital reproduction? Lolz. Give it a fucking rest, Walter Benjamin, we have all been through this freshman lounge before.; 9:05 AM
Anonymous said...: @ Kurt

Allow me to disagree a bit with your lumping all "europeans" into one. There is reason why 'slave' and 'slav' sound very much alike.

Cunning-linguistically yours

Capt'n Obvious; 9:15 AM
Inkberrow said...: Stoned Terrorist---

No difference between me and the Nuremburg defendants?

You're an idealist, eh? Must be fun.; 12:24 PM
Anonymous said...: inky,
i used to think you were an asshole, but you've been so convincing in this thread, that i now see how right you are.
when israelis or europeans commit some needless and barbaric mass-murder, it really should make us all stand up and denounce the koran.

bell curve for life,
your first and only convert; 4:16 PM
Inkberrow said...: Anon @ 4:16---

Western Mod-Prog Guilt, through the looking glass! What you really said (has to be you, since I didn't) here was:

When Israelis or Europeans commit some "needless and barbaric mass-murder" as denominated by Muslims, anyone with non-white skin, or their Western apologists, it should make us all stand up and denounce the Judeo-Christian tradition.

The Inverted Bell Curve corollary is: When Muslims or anyone with non-white skin commit what would otherwise be denominated needless and barbaric mass-murder, it should make us all stand up and blame the Judeo-Christian tradition for driving them to it.

Your civic Sunday School teachers should be very proud. And it's not just that Success is Sinister, of course, though it generally is (in this latest epoch). Had it been by happenstance Muslims and other non-Europeans atop the last half-millenium's hurly-burly (as they have been before), they would now be awash with guilt, leading us benighted Westerners to equality with hugs, free stuff, and patronizing patience.; 5:16 PM
Anonymous said...: Inky,

Funny, you should mention it. Muslims were on top (in parts of Europe) for about 500 years. And actually yes, you are most correct, the Sultan did carry and diplayed proudly the title of "Protector of the Christians".

Capt'n Obvious; 6:26 PM
Inkberrow said...: Cap'n---

I am well aware that the Muslim dog has had his day. More than one place and time, in fact. That Sultan! His title was even more well earned that America the Beacon's "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave", eh?; 7:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Inkberrow, you're so awesome and amazing and intelligent. Do you fantasize about Rush Limbaugh's naked butt too? I keep telling everybody how much fun it is, but those self hating idiots dont listen. Its just liberal propaganda i guess. I wrote an email to Fox and im waiting for their deep and intellectual reply.; 8:51 PM
TGGP said...: StonedTerrorist, had you backed up your statement?

"Intellectual" doesn't mean "intelligent person". Understanding that is a minimal criteria for discussing the subject. It is intellectuals who are the primary producers of propaganda, which aims to delude (though they would of course say "inform") the public. And pish-tosh to voting/activism.

"political scientists"
Was there any such profession in the civilizations you referred to above?

"the sad thing about our world is, we are encouraging the dumb ones while discouraging and ostracizing the smart ones."
Are you referring to dysgenics?

"WE still have to CONDEMN innocent deaths to tell some of us that it is WRONG. Have we made no progress since Babylon?"
Normative beliefs do not pay rent, so I claim they have no truth value. "Progress" is what the powers-that-be call the process that led to their ascendancy. The universe itself has no teleological direction (unless you count entropy). Your "progressivism" is a leftover from the old days of divine providence.

Re Nuremberg: commenting on the internet is considered a war crime these days? Not that Nuremburg wasn't victor's justice, but don't make us laugh.

Capt'n Obvious, I don't see the relevance of your distinction. Have slavs not participated in very large scale warfare?

Inkberrow, I don't see what any of this binary-framed talk has to do with Gaussian distributions. And nobody here is denouncing anyone for causing someone else to engage in mass-murder. Nor is the Judeo-Christian (stupid phrase) tradition being brought up, as it is hardly salient in the post-Christian first world. This is a dispute over a small bit of territory that does not need to expanded into a grand clash of ideas. Think Sri Lanka.

Follow-up on the three state solution: David Bernstein facetiously proposes giving Gaza to Turkey. I have to admit that Turkey seems to have it's shit in order to a greater degree than Egypt but given its full-throated adoption of nationalism I don't see the sense in them taking in a bunch of people who don't speak Turkish. Relative to the status quo though, a fine idea.; 9:40 PM
demize! said...: I love when really stupis rascists try to talk like the cool kids. Makes em kinda think they're cool too. Sometimes ignorance is just not knowing stuff, it gets obnoxious when you pretend that you do.; 3:45 AM
Inkberrow said...: TGGP---

Much of what you said is over my head, but I respectfully disagree that "Judeo-Christian" is either stupid or inapt. It's inexact and often misleading, perhaps, but I'm employing it here in its role as the talisman for the brand of globalist mod-prog moralizing currently in the ascendancy in the academy and in the educated public square.

Unlike Sri Lanka & Environs, the map of the modern Middle East was written by the West, and the West is still in charge of maintenance and enforcement thereof. Muslim resentment over this fact finds common cause with the standard-issue mod-prog bogeymen----highly successful capitalism, colonialism, and imperialism, all of which go from disfavored to demonic racist evil in sixty seconds (okay five hundred years) when conducted by white Europeans with Bibles in their hands. (The pernicious Jewish influence in noble socialist/communist theories as well shall be addressed at a later time).

Anon @ 8:51 and Demize!---

Much of what you said is under my head. For now, your goal should be consider how clearly and how completely you're seeing "stupid", "racist", and "idiot" from your navels-eye view. Maybe asserting it is enough after all.....; 1:19 PM
demize! said...: Uhm, I actually was refering to the other idiot.; 2:28 PM
Inkberrow said...: Demize!---

Stoned Terrorist and this thread's Nonnys are not racists.; 6:32 PM
TGGP said...: demize!, some participants in this thread may be "stupis" and uncool, but ignorance is a charge you should be able to back up rather than merely allege.

Inkberrow,
How you choose to employ a phrase does not change its stupidity per conventional usage. And in this context "western" or "modern" would do fine. It was not the academy which brought the phrase into this conversation, it was you.

The West is "in charge" of maintenance? The west chooses to meddle on occasion (as in the Iraq invasion), but it's not "in charge". Reagan's retreat from Lebanon was not a deviation from normal duties but a return to the status quo interrupted by the introduction of those troops. And the conflict in Sri Lanka is the result of a deliberate introduction of a minority population by British colonial authorities.; 9:18 PM
demize! said...: TGGP. thank you for your pedagogy, now go suck a lemon. I didnt think it was necessary to reply or further expand on Contemplationists obnoxious post, it irritated me. For the most part I dont feel its at all necessary to expound further than a few thoughts here and there as I see the bulk of the regulars here as smarmy know it alls trying to out smartass the next guy. it seems as if everyone here is trying so hard to be hyper-intellegent that what could be said simply is overloaded with anachronistic verbiage and jargon.; 11:22 PM
demize! said...: PS. who the fuck says "Pish-posh" other than a British school marm?; 11:25 PM
Inkberrow said...: Demize!---

I go to retirement centers to test my anachronistic jargon for verisimilitude.

TGGP---

Whether I raised it in this thread or not, thanks largely to the academy the Judeo-Christian legacy remains the mod-prog paradigm for assessing world history and recommending foreign policy (Sri Lanka a relatively minor consideration). Even now they're transitioning first-year course titles from "Western Civ" to "Genocide Studies" and "Survey of Greed 110".; 11:52 AM
TGGP said...: demize!, I apologize if any of us gave the impression that we were trying so hard to be hyper-intelligent. I assure you we would not be so gauche. We were actually adopting the mannerisms of absolute imbeciles, as is the fashion. I also apologize for being illiterate in the latest slang & colloquialisms. Fo shizzle, hep cat.

Inkberrow, I pretty much only hear the term "Judeo-Christian" from what Sean Scallon dubs "Conservative Inc". Religion is less salient for academia, so they prefer "western", "capitalist" etc. And I'm sure you're aware of the perennial popularity of the "Free Tibet" cause among that set, whose only connection to the west (our government supported the Lamaists forces against China when they were annexed) isn't remembered.

Google searches in the .edu domain for "western civilization" yield far more results than "Genocide Studies" or "Survey of Greed" (the latter gives no courses for me). Even discussions of genocide center on events taking place within Europe. This is to be expected, as we naturally care less about things happening far away. Cue Adam Smith on your finger vs all of China.; 1:22 AM
NutellaonToast said...: I'm rooting for the ocean; 2:16 PM
Inkberrow said...: TGGP---

I'm acknowledging I'm nowhere near the cutting edge, and further that that is no reflection whatsoever on the cutting edge. Terminology, areas of focus, and preferred tropes and usages in academia, in the professions, and in government service are maintained, evolve, and become obsolete, often for important reasons. Sometimes the reasons are largely political, aesthetic, or rhetorical, however, even if arguably important nonetheless. That said, it doesn't mean we encountered a new species or even a new "race" when Negroes said "No, we're Blacks" and then when Blacks said "No, we're African-Americans" and then African-Americans said "No, we're....", all in the space of a half-century. Capitalism, Marxism, materialism, colonialism, socialism, liberal, conservative, left and right, Islamist and yes Judeo-Christian too, all capture most of what they always did even if the manufacturers and advertisers are selling their toothpaste, shampoo, and tampons on the basis of New and Improved labelling and technology.; 3:38 PM

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