Gary Shills tried to tell him, yessir, he did! But Obama just wouldn't listen! He wouldn't! Anyway, Shills:
But now we are ten years into a war that could drag on for another ten, and could catch in its trammels the next president, the way Vietnam tied up president after president.Yeah, well, look, this to me is the strongest possible case for continuing the war in Afghanistan. If it manages to destroy the Presidency, the United States, and our system of government, then perhaps all those peasants will not have died in vain.
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Oh no! Somebody warn Joe Biden!
One of these guys is like a child who wanders in in the middle of a movi. Any minute someone is going to ask "What's your point?"
I'm all in favor of letting our roof burn, but I think you're reading too many catastrophes into the effects of Viet Nam on presidents.
If Viet Nam:presidents 1950-1975 :: Afghanistan:presidents 2001-2026, then what exactly do we have to look forward to?
President Biden refuses to run for re-election and President Palin resigns in disgrace over an unrelated scandal?
I'm all in favor of letting our roof burn
Burn, motherfucker, BURN!
Capt'n Obvious
Another ten years of war is exactly the encouragement the warmongers need also. Well, they can't fail: they win a war quickly like in the '90s and the public says okay let's have another, or they get stuck in a quagmire, which, however ignominous, is a honeypot.
Way to find the silver lining...
Unfortunatly, anarchy is that time between the fall and the rise of two rival Gangs with Big Guns. And if you think the Gangs are no fun, the time between is doubly so.
Anon, being a computer worker, you remind me of those people who ask me how many RAMs their harddrive needs. In other words, Donny, you're out of your element.
IOZ, you arrogant bastard, it is not the job of innocent peasants to die for the gross incompetence, ignorance, and laziness of the american public.
I know you mean well, but this is the same rhetoric that Bush could use, "collateral damage" et al.
Also, even if we accept the premise that some people are willing to die to end the last evil empire on earth, i really don't believe body counts would affect the american public, nor continued warfare would rise citizens of that empire unless there are some basic changes in its internal structures. The wars have been going on for decades now, i dont think that since the start of previous century there has been any decade in which USA was not at war with someone or the other, and look how many presidencies were ruined.
P.s
Gary seems to think that presidents are reluctant to get 'tied up' in wars, which is laughable and you know it IOZ.
Afghanistan, what being "the graveyard of empires" and all, seems a fine choice on which to spin the wheels of the only industrial complex we have left, our military-industrial complex, as it continues to grind itself and our ability to pay for it into eventual dust. Since the only thing our establishment fears more than "defeat" is "victory," a situation that pretty much ensures neither could not be more welcome. And to think... we've got at least TWO of them right now!
It will certainly be "neutral" in any domestic political "choices," as "both parties" are in favor of the broad project of American exceptionalism and empire, and the American people are ALWAYS up for a good carnage of people who don't look like most of them.
Ever thus.
StonedTerrorist, you are a moron, but thanks for stopping by to bless us with your moral gibberish. We have some lovely magnets available in the gift shop.
then perhaps all those peasants will not have died in vain
Your big picture has a different "good" ending but the morality is identical to Secretary "we think it's worth it" Albright's.
Another one. Someone should teach you gang of Donnys what "rueful" means. Or did you think this was a genuine proposition that the war continue, because, uh, why? Because it will destroy America? Yeah. Boy, and I also hope Barack invades Iran.
Yo, yo.
This hardcore stoner-terro image takes a lot of practice.
Capt'n O
I for one would not mind if an American President, in the field of battle, tripped a land mine. OH WHAT A QUAGMIRE HOW WILL THE NEXT PRESIDENT SURVIVE
Where is Barack Obama's Bucephalus? Why is he not leading the charge!?
IOZ, would you offer something concrete and factual to prove my comments were moronic?
I know u didnt mean that literally, but using such rhetoric is offensive to people, not the omg-hes-calling-gay-people-evil offensive, but the making-fun-of-the-dead offensive. ive seen the dead bodies and its not funny or pretty or sublimely glorious or shit.
this isnt moral bullshit. this is simple. this is easy. thou shalt not use dead people for comedy, esp if you have paid for the weapons. see.
Oh, did I offend you? I'll have my secretary send flowers.
tsk tsk
WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE NEXT PRESIDENT
StonedT,
Please, for next class, a 3000 word discussion of J. Swift's "A Modest Proposal".
It will certainly take more than this, but in due time, (a decade or so) you too can perceive the individual and societal benefits of sarcasm and irony.
Capt'n Obvious
Ohh, you people are absolutely right. im sorry im so dumb. after this, lets do the Rwandan genocide, that was a goldmine, and those people had even darker skin, it will be so funny ha ha. and, ooh ooh ooh, lets do the jews after that and how they died in funny ways, smelly with gas, ha ha ha. that totally made people hate hitler and served the awesome purpose of defeating him. ha ha. so funny.
thank you for teaching me individual and societal benefits of sarcasm and irony. Cap'n obvious.
Make that 5,000 words.
Capt'n Obvious
P.S.
And remember son.
This is for your own good.
C.O.
That's the best case I've heard for the War on Terror.
theres nothing Swiftian or half as satirical in this post. get over yourselves. where do u get off claiming swift for this accidental excrement of a post.
i admire this blog, agree with a lot of stuff here, but what is wrong is wrong, stop being chest-thumping chimps about it. im not claiming your goddamn territory.
Somehow I think the "stoned" in "Stoned Terrorist" has nothing to do with cannabis, and everything to do with the status of having been pelted with rocks.
If IOZ and his bachelors are swept up in a FBI raid and spend the next 40 years in Gitmo it may bring down the US Empire. Strongest possible case for continuing erosion of civil rights in the USA...
if you read my previous comments on this blog, i seem to agree with ALL of his previous posts in those, but when i criticize something once, im suddenly a moron. wow. i guess IOZ is an infallible god or something.
i think this argument is pointless now. so much for being open minded.
btw, i'm sorry for calling you a bastard IOZ, i got carried away.
If it manages to destroy the Presidency, the United States, and our system of government, then perhaps all those peasants will not have died in vain.
Kind of just like all those dead Afghans who brought down the Soviet Union saved all those people in Chechnya in the 1990s?
@3:58 Anon
Oh, there's the little detail of the 200 mil. EastYuropeeans that would disagree.
I know, untermensch and slav(e)s to the Western Uberman, but still.
3:58 is awesome.
I mean, implicit in your satire is that the removal of the american horrible evilness will result in the replacement of something less evilness. Cause evilness can be killed with either a gun OR A sword, or something.
Tear down the wall, IOZ. There's another one behind it.
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