Tuesday, July 13, 2010

We Are Family

I just want to say that despite the best efforts of Nice Liberals to portray the Tea Party folks as a gang of unwashed backwoods slackjaws, googly-eyed cryptofascist racists, insane conspiracy-mongers driven to rage by Obama's insufferable half-blackness, they actually appear to have consistent principles. So even a church-going tea-partier who personally dislikes the idea of some gays getting married can hold true to the idea that when he says shit oughta be left to the states, he means shit oughta be left to the states. Whereas your average liberal/proggie is still accusing Michael Steele of terrorism or something for calling the war in Afghanistan folly. Cue someone at Kos to gratuitously interject with the phrase, "Our President."

Where the devolution of power from a monolithic centralized authority to smaller political units is concerned, "states rights" is grossly inadequate, but it's certainly moving in the right direction, and it's a thousand times more admirable than the cult of the fucking presidency. Consider this. On the side of the Defense of Marriage Act: a president and political party that claim to support and lurve gays. Opposing it: the people who supposedly represent the worst elements of revanchist America.

76 comments:

General Mobius said...

1) This seems like what Tauro was rather obviously trying to make happen.

2) Replacing one large tyranny with fifty slightly smaller ones isn't as obviously a good trade as you make it out to be.

Anonymous said...

3) But replacing one large tyranny with fifty significantly smaller ones (tell me which state's land area approximates that of all continental 48, please) is probably a pretty respectable step toward replacing tyranny with something else entirely. I mean, I don't understand any of this shit, but isn't it easier to kill a small one than a big one?

4) Wait, what, you mean the Tea Party people aren't the modern version of the SA? But-but-but-I thought they were brownshirts!

-- Aaron (aaron@acephalo.us)

the talking dog said...

Replacing one large tyranny with fifty slightly smaller ones isn't as obviously a good trade as you make it out to be.

Reverse economies of scale don't seem like such a bad thing here. While California or Texas might have the economic might to build and deploy aircraft carriers and killer drones and Camp Delta and so forth... something tells me they're just not going to go out and do it on their own.

Montag said...

a mini-exercise in missing the point here.

anecdotally, the few (sample size: 3) tea party enthusiasts i have regular contact with display the same inconsistency as does George Will, "who supposes that a semi-socialized medical industry represents a greater immediate threat to liberty than a vast standing army, a set of decade-long colonial wars, and the most ubiquitous penal system the world has ever known, [so] you can be reasonably certain that he has no real objection to the power of the state per se[.]"

visibly agitated said...

This post is full of lulz. You got me at "average liberal/proggie" and then again at the the word "opposing."

Still, it remains true that no Tea person has lobbed a cruise missile, so they have that going for them.

stras said...

From what I can tell, the Tea Party isn't some right-libertarian project as much as it is an amusingly loopy rebranding of the traditional right-wing GOP base. All the same incoherent gibberish is still there: we want small government but endless war, less regulation but more prisons, lower taxes but lots of goodies from the federal government, more "liberty" but an unending war against immigrants and anyone who gets high in a way I don't approve of. I'm not seeing the consistent principles here.

Cüneyt said...

It's easy to say that the Tea Party does or doesn't support that or this when it has no real singular head. I can find self-described (or is it soi-disant?) TPers who support expansion of military expenditure, federal bans on abortion because it's murder, and who support public referenda to ban gay marriage but then switch to mocking California's being "swamped" by those very ballot measures.

But if your point is that libs are hypocrites, good fucking job, IOZ. You could have done it without conflating the rightwing movement that is just as conflicted as Goldwater's--between Birchers and protolibertarians. And an ideology? Really?

MichaelRyerson said...

actually, I think the overwhelming reason Michael Steele has been excoriated by the 'average liberal/proggie' (whatever the fuck that is) is for suggesting the war in Afghanistan is Obama's war of choice, as though George W. Bush suddenly didn't exist. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. carry on.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, for the love of fuck, IOZ, there's plenty of ways to skin a hypocritical pwoggie without trying to pretend that the majority of the teabaggers are anything other than the retarded id of the Republican party. But I do look forward to the haughty sniffling over how we're just too dense to see your brilliant point here.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Tea Party = 4-7% of the American Public.

Unless you're a Libwool - Pwoggie, then suddenly Tea Party = EVERYONE WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA WITH A GIANT SMILE ON THEIR FACE!

It's very convenient, if you're a lib-pwog, then everything wrong with America today is the fault of The Evil Rethuglicans, and their supporters, The Tea Party.

No blame available to be cast toward The Obamessiah, none for The Noble Democrats, not a speck of criticism for the Pwoggie Pundit Class either.

Remember, it's as easy as ME GOOD, YOU BAD.

Always.

McDuff said...

Y'know, not that I'm going to leap to defend Washington Liberalism and their Consistent Principles here, because there clearly are none, but this post does make me scratch my head a little.

For a start, I've never worked out what the "tea party" principles really are, because it doesn't seem to have much in the way of a defining organising consensus. Maybe that's a good and positive thing, but on the other hand I don't think you can quite say that they're clearly on the side of truth and justice when they have massive rallies endorsing Sarah Palin for the presidency. I mean, I endorse Sarah Palin for the presidency, but that's because I think she would a) cripple the USA and b) do so in the most hilarious manner possible. The risk that she would actually destroy the whole world with a "you betcha!" nuke is worth taking, in my view.

Secondly, these are people who seem to endorse a massive fucking military machine without feeling it in any way conflicts with their principles. There's not really any "there" there, y'know? The disenfranchised white folks who make up the bulk of the Tea Party demographic have never really felt as threatened by Teh Gays as the Megachurch Mullahs would like them to be. You fags get played up a lot in the screamsheets, but you just don't produce the same level of fear as your typical dark-skinned dude with an accent. And on the issue of fearing the black menace, ramping up border security and sending military assets out to kill people in various shades of brown, yonder Tea Partiers are performing according to all their expectations.

I'm not saying that everything in the tea party platform is the domain of cranks and wingnuts - most, but not all - but it's a far reach from such faint praise to claiming that they're a beacon of philosophical consistency. Even if one sets the bar deliberately in the gutter by comparing them to the Progressive Establishment, they still trip over it.

McDuff said...

Y'know, not that I'm going to leap to defend Washington Liberalism and their Consistent Principles here, because there clearly are none, but this post does make me scratch my head a little.

For a start, I've never worked out what the "tea party" principles really are, because it doesn't seem to have much in the way of a defining organising consensus. Maybe that's a good and positive thing, but on the other hand I don't think you can quite say that they're clearly on the side of truth and justice when they have massive rallies endorsing Sarah Palin for the presidency. I mean, I endorse Sarah Palin for the presidency, but that's because I think she would a) cripple the USA and b) do so in the most hilarious manner possible. The risk that she would actually destroy the whole world with a "you betcha!" nuke is worth taking, in my view.

Secondly, these are people who seem to endorse a massive fucking military machine without feeling it in any way conflicts with their principles. There's not really any "there" there, y'know? The disenfranchised white folks who make up the bulk of the Tea Party demographic have never really felt as threatened by Teh Gays as the Megachurch Mullahs would like them to be. You fags get played up a lot in the screamsheets, but you just don't produce the same level of fear as your typical dark-skinned dude with an accent. And on the issue of fearing the black menace, ramping up border security and sending military assets out to kill people in various shades of brown, yonder Tea Partiers are performing according to all their expectations.

I'm not saying that everything in the tea party platform is the domain of cranks and wingnuts - most, but not all - but it's a far reach from such faint praise to claiming that they're a beacon of philosophical consistency. Even if one sets the bar deliberately in the gutter by comparing them to the Progressive Establishment, they still trip over it.

McDuff said...

Well, sorry about that. Don't blame me, blame blawgah and it's wacky error messages.

NutellaonToast said...

Say what you want about the tenets of national Tea Partiers, dewd.....

augustus818 said...

"It's not about East or West, it's about niggas and bitches, power and money, riders and punks. Which side are you on?"

-Tupac

Ed said...

To me the Tea Party types appear to be the Republican counterpart of the Deaniacs of 2004: party activists who are a bit more grass roots than the party leadership would like, and make it harder for them to strike deals with the leadership of the other party than they would like. They aren't into principles, but into process, they want a more oppositional Republican Party.

Actually, if the Tea Partiers are really the Republican counterpart of the Dean phenomenon, Democrats should be nervous, since the Dean boomlet did wind up helping the party in the end. And this movement has come much earlier in the cycle, they aren't even given the Republican leadership the chance to sell out.

And though I'd love to believe otherwise, but the states can't be effective units of governance. Their borders are too convoluted, their politics usually too corrupt, their fiscal position often hopeless because of said corruption, and then there is the matter that states rights was used as an argument for every single bad cause in American history. States rights is really a rhetorical club, not to be taken seriously as an agenda on its own. This is too bad because this country really does need to decentralize to some sort of viable tier of local governments.

TGGP said...

The states are way too large. Many of them have populations as high as the entire U.S back when it was a loose federation. They should be split up. I'm not aware of any successful devolution below the level of city-state, so that should be the target.

fledermaus said...

Uh, I guess so IOZ. So long as "consistent" and "incoherent" are not mutually exclusive. Until then we must keep government hands off of medicare and take our government back by repealing the direct election of senators.

Anonymous said...

Says IOZ, literally, Joe Biden:

"On the side of the Defense of Marriage Act: a president and political party that claim to support and lurve gays. *Opposing it: the people who supposedly represent the worst elements of revanchist America.*"

----

Says WaPo:

"The large tea party-affiliated organizations, including FreedomWorks and the Tea Party Nation, declined to comment on Tauro's ruling because of their groups' fiscal focus. "That's just not something that's on our radar," said Judson Phillips, founder of the Tea Party Nation. He acknowledged, however, that some in his group -- though not a majority -- are opposed to the Defense of Marriage Act."

That's some mighty strident opposition there. Calling the "Tea Party's" mealy mouthed "opposition" to DOMA is like calling Democrats anti-war or something.

Not your finest hour IOZ.

MichaelRyerson said...

High marks to Ed.

IOZ said...

IOZ: "States rights is grossly inadequate."

Other People: "You idiot, states rights isn't adequate."

Anyway, I want this thread to improve, so [insert hedged positive sentiment about Ron and Rand Paul].

Aaaaand goooo!

MichaelRyerson said...

Gee, help me out here. I can't come up with a positive sentiment, hedged or otherwise, about the Rand boys to insert here or anywehre. How about the blog owner coming up with something?

Mr.Fundamental said...

to my knowledge, Rand Paul is pro-life AND has never performed an abortion.

VOTE GUS

mds said...

Rand Paul did, however, once receive an abortion. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

And actually, Monsieur, it looks like the commentariat were only offhandedly taking issue with the "states' rights" bit (though I'd be with TGGP on optimal size (Heh-heh)), saving more of their ire for the complete horseshit that the Tea Party in aggregate is some sort of principled small-government group that opposes DOMA. "I used to be a stereotypical conservative Republican cobag, but since January 2009 I've been offended by deficits and gay marriage bans"? Please.

IOZ said...

They are principled, even if their principles are incoherent. "Principled" does not mean "correct," amigos. The point is only that as far as these things go, their principles are more consistently applied than those of our friends in Democratic party and many of their compatriots (erstwhile compatriots?) in the GOP. I appreciate that youseall once saw some senile old man asking the goverment to get outta medicare on yer teevees, but that, actually, is the "complete horseshit" here, a media mechanism for discrediting a group as pathetic and passé as screaming Tawana Brawley at every gathering of black folk. I have obviously established a sufficient record over literally Joe Biden years of writing this World Whide Blargh to indicate to even the most casual dropper-in that I do not subscribe to the rather silly America-first jingoism that plainly animates our friends, the LOL teabaggers, but within their little movement is a legitimate kernel of anti-federalism to which I am deeply sympathetic, even if it is doomed, unfortunately, to be swallowed up by their own cultural phobias and misapprehensions.

And let me just point out as well that although I'm no particular advocate of gay marriage, wouldn't touch the damned institution with a 10 foot, uh, pole even if it arrived in Pennsylvania, the rhetoric of states rights just gave that cause its single greatest legal victory, and may yet achieve another out in California at the hands of another pair of supposedly conservative jurists.

Cüneyt said...

Anon 7:17, awesome.

Ed, the states would very quickly sort out their borders. But that's the thing about smaller states; they have less monopoly over power to do violence and therefore, more violence takes place. It's just what kind of violence you prefer.

It's a very legitimate debate between world-straddling colossus and cozy little civic community that will probably fall to militants from without or within, but it is a debate. Smaller states are not inherently superior, nor are larger states. Either way, a price is paid. Just ask anyone who lived through the warlord era of China through the end of the civil war. Or heck, the Cultural Revolution. Then again, I'm sure their Tea Partiers (much bigger party, to be sure) would whine about how much freer they'd all be in the Guangxi Clique or something.

It comes down to this. When you're united, your government is as likely to withstand assault from within as well as without. Sure, you've got mad paranoia in some totalitarian states, but generally we tend toward oligarchy and incremental reform is practiced everywhere (though liberals have to believe they invented it in order to forget that it's what they've settled for). In the end, to take my earlier analogy a bit farther, only a despot was going to unite China, which meant not only a greater tyrant, but a greater chance of not having that tyrant be Japanese or Russian. Or American.

Naturally, when America started expanding into its lebensraum, it was faced with no enemies that threatened it. It had a few cultural memories of massacres and hardships, but it was technologically advanced and well-populated enough to define its destiny. That said, the general principle holds. The less likely you are to be terrorized by your own, the more likely you are to be terrorized by others. It all comes down to the ability to project power.

Anonymous said...

they're gonna kill that poor woman walter!

Anonymous said...

why the hardon for consistent principles? i try to keep as far away from as possible those wearing that badge.

tea partiers are suckers buying a magic elixer. get a slice of the electorate foaming at the mouth and to the polls by hook or crook.

Joe said...

Ryerson,

Afghanistan is Obama's war. He's chosen to escalate it and continue to move it into Pakistan. W. still exits, but last I checked he's not president anymore.

And, in the interest of improving the thread, I'll go ahead and throw out an *un*hedged positive sentiment about Ron Paul: The man is a principled anti-interventionist, if nothing else.

MichaelRyerson said...

Joe, Joe, Joe. When you talk like that, I just feel tired all over. Let me spell it out for you, 'lovely to look at, delightful to hold, and if you break it, we mark it 'sold''. Obama is faced with the ageless question of cleaning up someone else's spilled milk without ultimately being blamed for spilling it in the first place. What would you suggest, pull out without a backward glance? As desireable as I might find that course of action, you and I both know that would be political suicide. So what's left? And, as an aside, a principled anti-interventionist, like so many libertarian wetdreams, has no chance in a general election, would be a disaster if he did and only looks good on paper. have a nice day.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Ed's comments are nothing more than the same crap you can read at firedoglake or Daily Kos -- Donkey Positivism, everything spun to be angling for a noble Donkey result.

The idea that power can't devolve below the over-arching Fed Govt is the giveaway that Ed is an idiot and an asshole -- in other words, a technocratic bungling bureaucrat who thinks himself wise and forward-thinking.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

And Michael Ryerson is another Uberdonkle Uberpwoggie here to try to "put things right" by praising the moronic comments of Ed.

mds said...

So, okay, the Iowa Tea Party might be a bunch of social conservatives out to regain control of the state government in order to undo the legalization of gay marriage in that state; I'm not aware of any Tea Party-endorsed candidate for national office opposing DOMA; teabaggers in Missouri are eating up talk about how Democrats are banning "real" Christianity while enabling the homosexual agenda; I keep hearing from the self-identified Tea Partiers in my family that Obama appointees want to teach children how to have gay sex (If only!); but hey, you found a guy whose view on the latest court ruling boils down to "No comment," and so the Tea Party en masse has consistent anti-federalist beliefs, which purely coincidentally are entirely correlated with the political party controlling the presidency.

Well, if it's horseshit to classify them as stupid hypocrites who wouldn't know a principle if it were dropped into the baskets of their Wal-Mart go-carts, where the fuck were they before it was the Marxist Muslim Negro who was doing the oppressing? They're just the flip side to all those blue partisans who were so outraged by Bush: where the fuck are they now that it's the Great Brown Hope doing the oppressing? (At Firedoglake, apparently.)

And yes, to his credit the elder Dr. Paul is indeed staunchly anti-interventionist, and doesn't think a US constitutional amendment banning gay marriage would be a good idea. DOMA, DADT, and his own Marriage Protection Act are fine and dandy, of course. And Lawrence v. Texas was wrongly decided. Oh, and same-sex couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, presumably because they'd teach them how to have gay sex (If only!). But at least he's consistent.

Inkberrow said...

"Full Faith & Credit" will work just fine long-term with gay marriages. Not so well for abortion customers and Mexicans.



Charles F.---

Wipe off your chin and clean your cave.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Inky, was that a supposedly funny remark of the alleged put-down type?

Anonymous said...

@Ryerson
Obama campaigned on escalating in Afghanistan. He said "I'm gonna fucking escalate in Afghanistan and kill as many uncooperative bitches in that shithole as I can" but he said it in patriot-prog-speak so you didn't notice.

Inkberrow said...

Charles F---

Far from it, angry mouth-breather. It was a putatively funny remark of the nominal put-down type. Please don't ask me any more difficult questions.

Oscar Leroy said...

A "consistent set of principles"? The people who didn't care one whit about taxes or spending until noon of January 20th 2009, at which point it became an all-consuming obsession? People who think helping poor people buy health insurance is fascism but have no problem with Arizona police walking around saying "show me your papers"? People who think the solution to unresponsive government is shutting down Congressional town halls with screaming and chanting?

Joe said...

Ryerson,

Jesus Christ, the "Pottery Barn" analogy? What the fuck does this even mean? Break what? Own what? 30 million people?

"What would you suggest, pull out without a backward glance?"

Yes.

"As desireable as I might find that course of action, you and I both know that would be political suicide."

Right. Because the political fortunes of Barack Obama are more important than the lives of a few dirt-scratchers in some god-forsaken desert on the other side of the globe. You couldn't have done a better job of summing up the complete bankruptcy of the "average liberal/proggie's" views.

As to whether a principled anti-interventionist could ever get elected--you're right, one couldn't. This alone is proof that DC is a cesspool and not worth wasting a nanosecond on trying "reform."

MichaelRyerson said...

No, Charles F. no repartee for you. sorry. you may not be the most boring commentor here but you're in the top three.

MichaelRyerson said...

Joe, take your ball and go home. really.

IOZ said...

Now it's getting good. Let's see, I also agree that the US is a nation of slaves, although I don't know what the fuck she's talking about with this "in the last 18 months" shit, and isn't it interesting to see a whacky conservatardian agitating for winding up "foreign entanglements" while a flabbergastedly patriotic Donk harumphs that she wants to "leave our troops twisting in the wind."

Mike said...

"Joe, take your ball and go home. really."

MichaelRyerson, are you trying to accomplish anything here besides unintended satire of your ilk? If so, you're failing dismally.

mds said...

'Let's see, I also agree that the US is a nation of slaves, although I don't know what the fuck she's talking about with this "in the last 18 months" shit'

Oh, I suspect you know precisely what the fuck she's talking about, Willis. And that's why the horseshit about "consistent principles" is being called horseshit. See, once upon a time, freedom reigned in America, and then Black Hitlerstalin was elected, and a Constitution consisting solely of the Tenth Amendment, the second clause of the Second, and a previously inscrutable margin scrawl about health insurance exchanges, was placed in mortal peril. Also, deficits suddenly dropped out of cracks in spacetime.

But despite my hurtful words, I still love you, Monsieur (I figured you were secretly worried). Spending time with family in Real America(TM) took its toll: Terry "Hoglot" Branstad reassuring the Iobaggers that there's a good chance of reversing the local gay marriage decision after November was not exactly a cromulent headline to wake up to.

MichaelRyerson said...

Mike, first off, fuck you. Secondly 'take your ball and go home' is a riff on the libertarian brain fart that goes, '...proof that DC is a cesspool and not worth wasting a nanosecond on trying "reform." Let me ask you this, Mike, what exactly is left to Joe? His commentary is essentially a dead fucking end. No solution is possible so therefore why waste a nanosecond talking about it? this peanut gallery that passes for a blog is full of you dead enders, not a single, new idea except 'oh woe is me! the world is coming to an end and ain't I so precious to notice it first?' this ennui is boring in the extreme. in fact, where's Joe? he needs you to defend him?

Mr.Fundamental said...

is den of malcontents!!! is! is! is your first time here? SteveB, is that you? seriously, quit hiding.

El Serracho! said...

I IZ DEAD ENDER.

Mike said...

"Mike, first off, fuck you. Secondly 'take your ball and go home' is a riff on the libertarian brain fart that goes. . ."

It seems to me that Joe made some good points, which you did not counter, the main one being why political expediency should trump ending the wars. This is just not obvious. Rather than arguing, you went for the condescending father 'riff' that encapsulates the liberal self-conception as serious and brainy and that is so common among political conformists it reads like self-parody. That sort of thing may still harden nipples when fighting right-wing trolls among Obama turd-rollers like Alicublog, but it won't buy you anything here. Lots of folks are disagreeing with IOZ's misplaced regard for teabaggers but they're doing it mostly without cliches and fallacies.

I'm kinda with you on the dead-ender thing, at least in regard to some, but I don't agree that rejecting DC politics leaves a socially-minded person with nothing to do. I think it may be just the opposite. And the extent to which political analysis leaves a person hopeful or hopeless or civically engaged is no reflection on its merits anyway.

I find the dead-ender stuff comes with very large dollops of brains and humor and even though I am not an anarchist (not sure what I am exactly). I find it a far less dispiriting read than anything put out buy liberals.

MichaelRyerson said...

not sure what you are either. when you decide, if a label suits you, let me know. in the meantime, as soon as Joe decides there's simply no other game in town (DC not going away anytime soon) and he'd like to make some potentially constructive remarks concerning how we deal with the present mess then his sophomoric take begs the question why bother to post on it except to show everybody how smart he is(?). one upping the cynicism is an easy way to trump serious discussion.

MIke said...

"he'd like to make some potentially constructive remarks concerning how we deal with the present mess then his sophomoric take begs the question why bother to post on it except to show everybody how smart he is(?)."

Certainly freeing your mind of cant is step one no matter what your long-term plans are. The Pottery Barn thing is pure cant as is the idea that Barack Obama's plans for a second term are more important than peace. If someone wants to call bullshit on bullshit for no other reason but to show how smart he is, or even just to be mean, I'm all for it.

IOZ said...

I think of it more as a consensus-based reciprocal society of malcontents, in which all are equal, and I AM THE LEADER!

MichaelRyerson said...

then don't waste my time, Mike, sit back and enjoy.

Walter Teachak said...

Say what you want about National Socialism, it has a code.

IOZ said...

Serious discussion! Euchre!

Montag said...

oooh, Ryerson, am i in the top three? AM I?

IOZ, malcontents are notoriously difficult to lead. though led to a happening karaoke bar and fed enough liquid courage i'd sing ironic renditions of Lady Gaga or unironic bastardizations of Billy Idol tunes at your whim. (so long as there were a quorum of malcontents in attendance, and a 2/3rds majority votes in favor of such a performance.)

MichaelRyerson said...

yes, montag, we see you over there in the corner pissing on yourself for attention and no, you don't get to sit at the big boy's table yet.

Montag said...

AWWWWH. i has a sad now.

Inkberrow said...

I see a weeping, self-conscious Montag belting out "We Are The Champions" or "November Rain". IOZ performs "Love Will Tear Us Apart" or "The More You Ignore Me (The Closer I Get)" with crippling indifference. I will finally accede to popular pressure and render my own edgy version of "After The Loving", then join Ryerson for "Islands In The Stream".

Mr.Fundamental said...

Montag can pee on my leg anytime he wants

"Happiness proved less social than sadness..."

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Inky, what's the deal with caves, mouth-breathing, and your derogatory put on those things? Are you suggesting that in meat-space, you're truly the foppish dandy of frivolous frillery that you pretend to be here in IOZland? Are you really the Brian Boitano of the comment threads?

That's so sweet, so dance-like!

I bet Brian breathes through his mouth when he skates really, really hard. And you know, in the Ice Age, they lived in caves for warmth.

They probably didn't have frilly blouses to wear, though. So you can be grateful for your present-day existence, eh?

lucid said...

Leading malcontents is more difficult than herding cats... good luck!

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Ryerson, are you pretending that I care what you think about how "boring" I am to you?

I'm so sorry. It must be rough to constantly work under such delusion.

MichaelRyerson said...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Inkberrow said...

Charles F---

No. Rather, it appears to be something that YOU are suggesting and visualizing in unsolicited detail. As a matter of general courtesy, never ever mention these horrible conceits here again.

You may call me if you wish, if you're sweet.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Horrible conceits?

Forgive me, but I don't hang out with the Frilly Blouse Brigade, so I'll need the lowbrow translation of what you're referencing.

Joe said...

Ryerson,

You haven’t offered any “constructive remarks” yourself, other than to suggest that we should support a political system that’s indifferent to our interests because it’s “the only game in town,” and adjust our expectations according to what’s politically feasible (under the current regime), because that’s what serious, unsophomoric people do. Talk about a dead-ender mentality. I can’t say I have any “solutions,” although I agree with Mike—calling a turd a turd is probably as good a place as any to start.

Cüneyt said...

It's more to a song than jewelry and clothes
More to a niggaz life than money and hoes
The game is a lot bigger than you think you know
And if you think you then I don't think you know

</so embarrassed)

Inkberrow said...

Charles F.---

Okay, I understand tetchiness when one's identity is crossing ambiguous waters. Let's leave it at this. See if you can hunt down a copy of "Husband and Wyeth".

mds said...

'Ryerson, are you pretending that I care what you think about how "boring" I am to you?'

Personally, I'm grateful for the otherwise disappointing "Zzzz[...]z" response to this. A couple more rounds, and the referential sentence struts would have failed catastrophically.

"Forgive me, but I don't hang out with the Frilly Blouse Brigade, so I'll need the lowbrow translation of what you're referencing."

I think he's talking about taxation.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

mds, since it's Inky, there's little doubt that under all the frilly foppery, the substance of his ...ummm... argument... would be the same tripe we can get from Jane Hamsher or Arianna Huffington.

The nice "window treatments" give the appearance that there's originality at work. So there's that, at least.

Anonymous said...

wait ... teabaggers r DENYING being racist? hmmm...

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