Who Is IOZ?: Today in Liberal Dementia

Monday, August 09, 2010

Today in Liberal Dementia

Oh no! It's "The right's ingenious campaign to turn one billion people into our sworn enemies." Whaddarewegonnadooooo?

It occurs to me that Our President, a man of the putative American left, is actively engaged in the ongoing murder of thousands of Muslims. But, uh, yeah, I'm sure the casual racists of a rump nationalist political party are doing the real damage with their handwritten signs and zoning board challenges.

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AlanSmithee said...: It's simple pwoggie logic:

Our Team is blameless and holy.
Repububthubraplicans are insane violent racists who are responsible for all evil in the world.
Therefore - We win.

Yes, this truly is the best the intarwebs have to offer.; 1:06 PM
Ethan said...: From the C&L post: Gee, it's funny how quickly the supposedly anti-government Tea Party wants the government to suppress peoples' right to freely express their religion, no? It's almost like they're selective in their outrages against state power! Whoda thunk it!

I freely admit I may have missed something, particularly because my brain rebels against any attempt to force it to read an entire NYT article, but I don't see any evidence in the article that the C&L writer links to that the protesters want the government to do anything about the mosques. It sounds to me like they're acting against them themselves.; 1:12 PM
jethrosexual said...: Are these the Nazis, IOZ?; 1:44 PM
Leonard said...: ongoing murder

It's not murder if you're a state! Don't you get it? And taxation is not theft, either! You anarchists just refuse to make simple and clear distinctions. This is democracy. If the people vote for something, it is right. By definition. The people, IOZ, voted for Barack and he promised us war. QED. We aren't murdering in Afghanistan, any more than we are robbing you on April 15.

Muslims understand that. They know that the killing is OK because we voted for it. But zoning challenges against mosques? Come on, that is the real crime. Muslims aren't dumb, you know?; 2:04 PM
Inkberrow said...: Mod-progs in all their secular-humanist wisdom simply cannot grasp the orthodox religious mindset, not even conceptually. It ain't about curbing or diverting some universal socio-biolgical imperative, fellas. America and the West are something much more foundational and inexorable than Enemies to one billion Muslims----we are Infidels. If the Koran and Koranic explication since the Middle Ages are indeed part of the Right Wing Conspiracy, it's Vaster than anyone could have imagined.; 2:23 PM
Mr.Fundamental said...: America and the West are something much more foundational and inexorable than Enemies to one billion Muslims----we are Infidels.

thanks Inky. that just made my day here in the cube farm that much more exciting. I'm all a tingle. now, whatarewegonnadoooo?; 2:34 PM
Mr.Fundamental said...: This is democracy. If the people vote for something, it is right. By definition.

someone on facebook had a status, lulz-by-gawd, "So if 51% of Pennsylvanians voted to make interracial marriage illegal, would you call it democracy or racism?"

is trick question; 2:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Inky, you mod-cons pretty much agree with Islamists on all the things you hate about today's world, so I humbly submit that we understand the orthodox religious mindset very well, having been exposed to it regularly right here in the good ol' US-of-A. Y'all's attempt to paint your political opponents as nothing less than existential antipodes, or, as you say, infidels, is different from the Muzzlims in degree, not kind. Fuck both of yuz. Fuck each of yuz with the other, in fact.; 3:02 PM
Inkberrow said...: Mr. Fun---

Exactly what we are doing, of course, especially now that a good Proggie chief executive directs the killing like Mao and Pol Pot did in the name of the People, meaning in the name of secular (so Rational), non-profit (so Noble) collectivism and an equalitarian chicken in every one-world pot.

The very Father of the mod-proggie worldview, Rousseau, famously demonstrated in "The Social Contract" that he was no shrinking violent, in words that resonate today as much as ever:

"In order then that the social compact may not be an empty formula, it tacitly assumes the undertaking, which gives force to the rest, that whoever refuses to obey the general will, shall be compelled to do so by the whole body. This means nothing less than that he will be forced to be free; for this is the condition which, by giving each citizen to his country, secures him against all personal dependence. In this lies the key to the working of the political machine; this alone legitimizes civil undertakings, which, without it, would be absurd, tyrannical, and liable to most frightful abuses."; 3:12 PM
¯\(°_0)/¯ said...: Oh, well if Rousseau said it, then case closed.; 3:52 PM
Brian M said...: What Inky really wants...nay...desires...is a return to the glory days of enforced catholic orthodoxy. How can we fight the swarthy hordes if we are not united in a Holy Crusade by uynswerving obedience to our Fatjher, the Pope? Bring on the reign, temporal and spiritual, of Emperor-Pope Ratzinger I. That will show the Mahotamans!; 4:01 PM
IOZ said...: For the record, non-profit is a tax-code taxonomy, not an ethos. I mean, by all means, whatever, and so forth, but you're about to go down the road of blaming the S corp for the Holocaust and the LLC for the Terror.; 4:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Chilluns,

Don't cuss at him, don't throw garbage at him, don't press his nose against his own poop.

You only encourage him. Left to his own devices, Inky will leave by himself.

Capt'n Obvious; 4:11 PM
Anonymous said...: @BM 4:01

Ink fancies himself some sort of southern baptist.

Capt'n Obvious; 4:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Rousseau? You're in the wrong place, Ink. When it comes to Frenchmen of centuries past, we're all about the libertine ethos of the Marquis de Sade. In fact, I picture Monsieur as deriving the same kind of joy from tweaking and inverting respectable ideas as Sade did from writing the anti-fairy tale Juliette.; 4:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Whoops, brain cramp -- I meant Justine.; 4:41 PM
Inkberrow said...: IOZ---I was trying to have fun with the common designation, but nevertheless for sanctimonious anti-capitalists, "non-profit" is indeed an ethos. Where waste and ineffectuality are (arguendo) otherwise equal, for those on the Left "not for profit" confers upon programs and policies a moral rectitude missing from grubby "self-interest" (as if the raw exercise of pharasaical power and influence doesn't fall within that rubric!).

Anon@ 4:39---

Reading comprehension is an art, I realize. I did not impute to our host the views I was lampooning, though he obviously lists left of Left. You may or may not recall that he himself first took aim at the good proggies at Crooks and Liars in the post we all responded to.

Pushing Forward Blog Guy---

Mao, Stalin, Castro, Cesauscu, and Pol Pot said it too, among others.

Brian M---

Captain Ron Obvious is correct, I am a (backslidden) Baptist. What I want is for you rationalists to sneer at today's Islam like you do at its analogue, the Christianity of two or three hundred years ago. We'll call it Secular Ecumenism.; 7:58 PM
Anonymous said...: It is the rump nationalist party's fault for threatening so successfully to become non-rump nationalists, thus forcing the President to kill thousands of Muslims in hopes of stealing their voters.; 10:31 PM
Captain Spaulding said...: HEY ISLAM! YOU FUCKIN' SUCK! MOHAMMED WAS A DEMENTED GOATFUCKER!

Is that good enough? I mean, I don't think any radical Muzzlims are reading this blog, so I don't think it's very daring, but anything to make Inky stop complaining.; 7:29 AM
Mr.Fundamental said...: why Inky, it had not occurred to us that it so irks you that we don't so often tackle the Islamicists In Our Midst dummie.; 8:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Inky,

The common thread here is OBEDIENCE. How it is dressed up is irrelevant.

-the real Donny; 9:30 AM
IOZ said...: Tackle Muslims? I just . . . My box is mostly hooks, bobbers, and sinkers.; 9:51 AM
Mr.Fundamental said...: is this a sport? pastime? hobby?; 10:24 AM
Inkberrow said...: Mr. Fun---

You and yours here do not "tackle" violently aggrieved Muslims in America and abroad, you patronize them. Incessantly. You want to take the skinheads bowling. It may not go as you imagine.; 11:28 AM
Mr.Fundamental said...: dzzzap!

got another one, Monsieur! that was a big one.; 11:30 AM
Brian M said...: So...we refuse to "tackle" our benighted Mooslim enemies. I agree. Let's join with Inky in the Great Crusade. More Predator Drones and depleted uranium dust! And, Christian Lurve. Plenty of Christian Lurve.

My apologies, though. I'm sure the Rushdoonie crowd which I guess Inky sympathizes with can impose its own, "Protestant" form of theocracy and Crusade without all the gilded cathedrals and murmered Latin. I see Inky's Paradise as some combination of Handmaiden's Tale and 1984. As l;ong as it involves plenty of Eternal War.; 1:21 PM
Inkberrow said...: Brian M.----

I shouldn't have to tell you this, but Lewis' "It Can't Happen Here" is more likely what you're fumbling for. Orwell's dystopia was a bizarro-world apotheosis for War Communism, the installation of which on the basis of permanent exigency is the totalitarian endgame of failed Leftist worldviews and programmes. You should recall from Cliffs Notes that orthodox religion is brutally suppressed in favor of civic saints, martyrs, and villains. Meanwhile, if you haven't yet gathered that World Islam, and not World Christianity, is even now engaged in fomenting a New Crusade of its own, you're probably the sort of useful idiot who explicates Orwell like a second-tier high school sophomore.; 1:37 PM
Montag said...: World Islam, huh?; 1:54 PM
Professor Coldheart said...: @Montag: yeah, World Islam. You know, that secret conspiracy that unites Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, eastern Africa and Dearborn, MI in a global conspiracy of HELL-TERROR! It's a real danger to the U.S., or will be as soon as Iran gets nuclear weapons, and the technology to turn them into warheads, and the technology to launch them globally, and an aircraft carrier, and a populace willing to go overseas to conduct a war, and fewer enemies immediately next door to it, and an obedient student population, and some money.; 3:03 PM
Inkberrow said...: Montag---

"World Islam" juxtaposed explicitly with "World Christianity" for purposes of responding facetiously to Brian M's citing the Crusades. You'll never believe it, but some poor saps resolve the Diversity/Pluralism versus Groupthink dynamic in favor of Islam and Muslims and against Christianity and Christians in pretty much every possible application.

Gosh, it's borderline Racist or Bigoted even to discuss Muslims qua Muslims---"might as well try to conflate cheese and diesel engines, wot?" ----unless of course it's to confer special rights, recognition, and privileges based on a self-delineated group religious affiliation which we must defer to in the name of tolerance and White Western Guilt. Meanwhile, Christians are or have been monolithic whenever it's time to hand out the naughty slips in History. Every Eric Rudolph is Christian qua Christian; while no Major "Allah Akbar" Hasan is Muslim qua Muslim. The very idea is offensive!; 3:03 PM
LP Steve said...: Will the self-hating liberal Christians on this board please identify themselves? I'm trying to figure out with whom Inkberrow thinks he's arguing.; 3:25 PM
Professor Coldheart said...: @LP Steve: I'll be honest, I blame Pope Pius IX for Muhammad Ali's abolition of the jizya in Egypt. The Christian faith is a monolithic whatever-he-said.; 3:43 PM
Shlomo McCracken said...: So the post is about how the Left is more responsible for making them hate us because War Murder Death Lightbringer is in charge, and Inky gets going about Christians v. Muslims?

Were you listening to the Dude's story, Inky?; 3:51 PM
Synthesis Antithesis said...: Can't you guys both be right? Of people who take religion seriously, a higher percentage of them are Muslim, and it's always dumb/violent to take religion seriously. But it's also dumb/violent to believe that the invasion and eternal occupation of every Muslim-inclined country is both necessary and good, as opposed to being the cliched-yet-true military industrial complex justifying its own existence and using human beings as fuel.

So to acknowledge each other, why not just admit that Muslims who take their religion seriously are dumbshits, and that the DoD is a terrorist organization?; 4:46 PM
BDR said...: Gah! A Camper van Beethoven allusion? A Camper van the only band who can screw up a great song like Pictures of Matchstick Men Beethoven allusion?

Pfwrt. Disqualified!; 4:51 PM
Anonymous said...: I'm guessing "IOZ" would have had no objection to putting Japanese Americans into concetration camps during WWII.

After all, we were murdering not thousands but hundreds of thousands of Germans along with hundreds of thousands of Japanese.

And yet German Americans weren't deprived of their civil liberties the way Japanese Americans were.

So really, why protest a little thing like concentration camps or depriving Muslim Americans of Civil Liberties?; 5:07 PM
Anonymous said...: It occurs to me that Our President, a man of the putative American left, is actively engaged in the ongoing murder of thousands of Muslims. But, uh, yeah, I'm sure the casual racists of a rump nationalist political party are doing the real damage with their handwritten signs and zoning board challenges.

There are a billion Muslims in the world. Some are Muslim Americans.

Why do Christian Americans get to have full Civil Liberties (war or no war) and yet Muslim Americans have to wait for universal peace in order to worship in Manhattan?

Gotta love the little digital dzerzhinskys of the Counterpunch left sometimes.; 5:17 PM
Inkberrow said...: BDR---

Sorry about that, but given my own provenance it was either Camper Van or Rick Astley.

"Never gonna blow you up,
never gonna Jew you down..."; 6:01 PM
Anonymous said...: SA@4:46

Methinks you got things backwards. Mongol raiders didn't sack because of Islam, they got Islam so they could keep sacking. So Crusaders. Or Chekists.

Capt'n Obvious; 6:10 PM
la Rana said...: Moral relativism: excusing a "bad" thing on account of "badder" things. See, e.g., they say they want a califate!

Not moral relativism: explaining causation. See, e.g., they iz prolly more upset about da bomb on da head than the old white lady in a confused tizzy.; 6:12 PM
Inkberrow said...: La Rana---

Perchance have you ever noticed, here and elsewhere, the first and loudest response to specific complaints about the modern-day epidemic of Islamist religious violence being, "Lookit latter-day Christianist violence!" ??

Prolly not, eh? I know, I know, I've just proven I'm one of the Moral Relativists here. You're one of the Elect, meaning cloth-ears, an elevated snout, and colored spectacles.....; 6:50 PM
Professor Coldheart said...: Why do Christian Americans get to have full Civil Liberties (war or no war) and yet Muslim Americans have to wait for universal peace in order to worship in Manhattan?

man what; 6:57 PM
Devin Lenda said...: @ Inky 6:50
And after pointing to Christian violence, your adversaries use it to JUSTIFY Islamist violence. Or not.; 8:15 PM
rowan said...: Nobody's jumping on Nonny @ 5:07 for saying IOZ wants to intern Japanese-Americans? Say what you will about Inky's mod-whatever beliefs, but at least it's an argument. Not even sure what 5:07 is saying.; 9:22 PM
la Rana said...: Inky,

There is no real point in explaining this, both because Devin already did so and because you've committed to your hilariously stupid conception of the world like an off ramp at high speed, but the only person I have ever seen on these-a-here threads try to justify violence by pointing to other violence, is you.

Nuance is clearly not your bag, but not all opposition to moral classifications can be lumped together. Rebutting your claims that muslims are uniquely bad is almost exactly the opposite of rebutting the claim that American violence is wrong. In the former, one rejects that a class of persons is unique; in the latter, one rejects that a class of behavior is unique. But somehow you've managed to convince yourself that pacifism and egalitarianism are moral relativism; a mind-bogglingly confused projection no doubt rooted in the cowardly attempt to rationalize what you were spoon fed as a child.

I try not to feel bad for people, cuz there's really nothing I can do, but it always saddens me to see someone so dedicated to wasting their life in deliberate ignorance.; 11:29 PM
IOZ said...: I think of it more as an enthusiasm, Mr. Fun, somewhere below an extracurricular and above an intramural.; 10:18 AM
mds said...: "Will the self-hating liberal Christians on this board please identify themselves?"

Well, I was raised by a self-hating fundamentalist Christian from a crypto-Jewish background, and find liberal Christians somewhat less annoying, because they're usually quieter, and have nice snacks at coffee hour. Does that count?

Anyway, Brian M, high marks for even having heard of Rushdoony, with a little knocked off for spelling his name wrong. Yet it's Rauf who's linked to crazy religiously-motivated violence?; 1:51 PM
Mr.Fundamental said...: OH NOES INKY HELP MY COMPANY JUST SIGNED ON TO DO BRIDGE AND BUILDING DESIGN AND INSPECKSHUN WORK IN DA MIDDLE EAST, IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY.

WHAT CAN I DO TO STOP THEM FROM BUILDING THE CALIPHATE

HALP INKY HALP; 2:14 PM
mds said...: "WHAT CAN I DO TO STOP THEM FROM BUILDING THE CALIPHATE"

(1) Design the bridges and buildings really shittily, so the Caliphate crumbles faster 'n' an asphalt road in the Dakotas.

(2) Hire dogs to do the onsite inspections.

(3) Really ham it up during client presentations.

(4) Invade Muslim country and convert populace to Christianity.

(5) Sexual exhaustion.

... etc.; 2:41 PM
IOZ said...: Aren't there enough shitty bridges right here in Pennsylvania? Why do you hate America?; 2:46 PM
Mr.Fundamental said...: believeyoume, I'd be the first to admit that I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing here, and what I do here, evreeday. the whatfor's and why's I constantly proffer fall on really, really deaf ears.; 3:17 PM
mds said...: "the whatfor's and why's I constantly proffer fall on really, really deaf ears."

Yeah, well, try speaking Arabic for a change, dhimmi. How are you supposed to make a serious effort towards the "sexual exhaustion" scheme using only hand signals? ... Don't answer that.; 3:24 PM
Mr.Fundamental said...: Nike Swoosh!; 3:29 PM
IOZ said...: What's a semaphore?; 3:57 PM

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