Yeah, you know, I basically think that Dan Savage is a clown, and I find the whole "It Gets Better Campaign" to be exactly the sort of cheaply sentimental, we-are-the-world, C-list celebrity self-love-fest that I most despise, in which hugely lucky and successful individuals with lives of comfort and privilege far beyond that which any reasonable person might expect blather to kids about how great their lives are going to be, when, let's face it, for a lot of them, life is going to be pretty bleak, not because they are gaylesbianbiseckshultranngeed, but because they are destined for a gray adulthood of deskbound wageslavery in a crumbling imperium caught in the last vicious, violent throes of its own impending, senescent diminution. Instead of being bullied for being swishy, they will be bullied by tyrannical bosses, sociopathic corporations, cops, landlords, taxmen, banks, mortgage lenders, credit card companies, etc. Their burdens will not decrease, but become ever greater, but they will by then have been more fully indoctrinated with the pernicious ideology of responsibility, and suicide, finally a rational escape from the grand-guignol horromedy of American life, will seem to them an abdication beyond the realm of contemplation, and so they will slog on in their misery, through demotion and divorce, through forclosure and debt, through a miserable lifetime of work punctuated by a sadly hollow leisure dominated by vacuous entertainment and lousy cocktails until an old age marked by decrepitude, isolation, confusion, and lonely--but natural, at least--death. But at least they won't feel ammoral cuz they like dicks.
Anyway, that said, um, I do agree with him: fuck fucking Obama. Fuck that guy. What a bunch of sententious pricks.
Tuesday, October 12, 2010
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Yeah, well, that's just like, you know, your opinion, man.
So, it gets slightly different?
I dunno. Never having been a gay teenager, or a gay adult, I might be the wrong person to ask. But I was certainly a depressed teenager. There's lots of them! And one of the two things that helped me out was a sense of perspective: a realization that the bullshit in high school is trivial. Not just the cliques and the sex and the attitude, but the grades and the recommendations and the good behavior and all that.
The second of two things that helped me out was reading Ayn Rand and becoming an obnoxious snot. One of the limits of self-medication.
Anyhow, it's not as if they're lying. Adult life is better than high school. It gets a lot easier to score, you get into better clubs, it's cheaper to rent a car for the weekend. Plus, you get to vote!
I'm not following you 100% here, monsieur. Are you saying that life is so shitty that gay teens should just off themselves right now? Or are they supposed to wait until the Germans come to cut their dicks off?
LACP,
We Are the Germans!
Capt'n Obvious
Applause - -
I wrote over on Justin's blog about this. The suicide rate for teens in general has tripled over the past, I-think-it's 30 years. No doubt gay teens have an extra burden and therefore are offing themselves even faster. But just suggest to a gay activist that teen stress and suicide is a larger societal problem than just limited to gays, and many activists will respond by accusing you of wanting to kill gay teens. (And/or, "self-hating", if you're among the fold.)
I think it was Joe Bageant who wrote, while he's all for gay marriage, your gay marriage license doesn't do you a whole lot of good when it's hanging on the dingey, cramped, windowless cubicle wall of your underpaid temp job that doesn't offer any benefits to share with your partner in the first place.
Also: Dan's DADT "F-U Obama" letter is dated October 11, but we all know already what his November 1 column is going to be about, as well as his 5-6 columns prior to November 2, 2012. Clown.
Speaking as a straight man, I always found grabbing life by the balls and threatening to rip 'em off clears the air of sententious pricks. It also does wonders for the virility. Nothing like grabbing something by the balls to let you know your alive.
IOZ, was it you who once suggested that if gays were free to vote without having to be understandably biased against the party that openly considers them subhuman vermin, people would be surprised to find out just how conservative they generally are? I can't think of a better example than this bizarre spectacle of gays demanding the right to be cannon fodder for the sake of empire.
So, just on a quick look around, one of the biggest criticisms of the "It Gets Better" thing is people saying "No it doesn't, it still sucks".
Which... okay, fine, I guess. I feel like the "It doesn't actually get better" campaign wouldn't really be that helpful to depressed people but I guess I can't fault y'all for honesty.
I wasn't gay, but I was terrifically depressed starting in middle school, and I can tell you, I hated anybody whose idea of comfort was "it gets better later". Because later was what? Seven years from now? It was hard enough for me to get through one day of school, and people were telling me that I just had to hold out for another half decade or so, and I'd be golden.
I mean, why don't you start an "it gets better" campaign for prisoners in Guantanamo?
I mean, I'd say a defining personality trait of most teenagers is an inability to project themselves into the future and make decisions based on how things will be five years from now. I find this arguing over whether things work like Dan Savage says after you stop being a teen tiresome, because I assure you my teenage self did not give the slightest shit. For him, high school was an endless expanse filling up his entire conceivable world, and arguments about how depressing office work is are about as relevant as arguments about how we should structure society after we've all put our brains into robot space ships. He wants to strangle all of you who are responding to his problems with high school by arguing about how well off they are as adults. Really, fuck you.
I was a very angry teenager.
I'm sympathizing more and more with the people in the abolish public education camps. If you can make a case that the simple act of not being in high school anymore can significantly improve your life -and I think you really can- then what does that say about high school?
I mean, why don't you start an "it gets better" campaign for prisoners in Guantanamo?
Dude, I'm sure your middle school sucked and all, but get over yourself already.
In ADDITION to being bullied for being swishy, they will be bullied by tyrannical bosses, sociopathic corporations, cops, landlords, taxmen, banks, mortgage lenders, credit card companies, etc.
fxt for extra depressiveness.
I mean, why don't you start an "it gets better" campaign for prisoners in Guantanamo?
What's so bad about that? Three squares, people kissing your favorite book's ass, and knowing that you're sticking it to the great Satan just being there. And if you weren't, you'd be back in buttfuckistan molesting sheep. At least in Cuba you can see some women.
Hyperbole aside, Christopher's criticism of Savage's campaign is a whole lot more apt than the Monsieur's "everything is about capitalism SHUT UP YES IT IS" stab at criticism.
What is it, goth poseur Tuesday?
I think Savage is a clown too, but I like the It Gets Better Campaign. A better campaign would hook suicidal gay teens up with hot, young adults who would fuck them and then, over a shared cigarette, show them the ways in which wage slavery actually DOES beat daily assault, verbal abuse, suicide attempts and dealing with your fucked-up family every day. But, of course, that ain't gonna happen, and if it could, there'd be no need for it.
C'mon. Unless you go straight from high school into prison, adulthood is better. More choices and sex.
America is fucked, for sure. But I don't think the majority of people are any more miserable than you IOZ, and you actually seem fairly happy to me. Probably happier than you were in high school, at least.
a gray adulthood of deskbound wageslavery in a crumbling imperium caught in the last vicious, violent throes of its own impending, senescent diminution
deffo
It's lonely in the modern world, huh, IOZ?
Monsieur is merely calling a spade a spade. This shouldn't be controversial. Things WON'T get better and these kids will either get stronger... or they won't.
I'm calling a blade a blade.
geeeez. dont be such frowny puss. just accept your serf status and, look up from your labor (once in a great while) and marvel at the marvelous wonderfullness that is america, and its great capitalist engine of your destruction. or, create a revolution.
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Pardonnez-moi?
Non.
Capt'n Obvious
I think it was Joe Bageant who wrote, while he's all for gay marriage, your gay marriage license doesn't do you a whole lot of good when it's hanging on the dingey, cramped, windowless cubicle wall of your underpaid temp job that doesn't offer any benefits to share with your partner in the first place.
I've been saying that to the pwogs and libbies who have argued gay marriage's paramount importance to me.
I'm not gay, nor bi, but I know this: if I were gay and in love with a man that I wanted to be with for the foreseeable future, I'd go ahead and be with him no matter what the Churches, Temples, Synagogues, or Government told me they would sanction.
Before Bageant said what you paraphrased, I used to suggest to the libs and pwogs that
gay marriage and abortion rights as pivotal issues
is the stupidest fucking strategy imaginable. It doesn't get at any of the root causes of American social inequities. It's like a fucking bandaid on a sucking chest wound or a flayed open skull.
Aside from that, it's just bullshit, human psychology-wise, to say that these variously recently in the news gay teen suicides are the result of gay-bashing and only gay-bashing. That's fucking absurd. People do not commit suicide because someone they don't care about teases them at work or in school. They commit suicide because life, including the people they care about most, seems pointless and valueless.
Any teenager who gets teased knows that the easiest success route involves ignoring them and realizing that their opinion has no bearing on the quality of your life.
So, gay teens, work for yourself in a cash economy or as a cop, don't get a credit card, and inherit a house?
All that shit is just the result of the way we have chosen to live and to structure our economic laws and so forth. Given that, it would be happening whether we were an empire in "diminution" or expansion, or if we were not an empire of if we were.
IOZ's diary, Oct. 11, 2010:
Found a bloated gay's carcass in an alley, tread marks of a tank across his belly...
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