For reasons herein outlined, I don't intend to see Waiting for Superman. I would probably strangle the first "likely voter" I saw upon leaving the theater, and somehow I don't think that my cellmate would believe me when I told him that I'm a top. The anguish that our technocrats direct at the perceived failures of our system of education delights me to no end. Oh, no, we are failing to turn our children into readily employable automotons whose mecahnistic mental processes mitigate against any improvement in their own station, amelioration of their own working conditions, or consideration of the nature of control and ownership--indeed, cause them to work actively against their own best interests by inculcating a Stockholm-syndrome-like identification with the values and imperatives of a corporate ownership class that they themselves will never join! I can hardly imagine a world in which the very value of your innermost being is not weighed by having a degree in a related field and three years of progressively responsible work experience and/or an equivalent combination of education and experience, but I know it's not the kind of world that I want to live in. The highest human achievement is preparing the skilled workers of tomorrow . . . today. The highest human values are innovation and productivity. Any American child's failure to score within the top decile of all other children in all other countries on standardized quantitative aptitude tests is a grievous moral failure of society as a whole. Literally, literally, like, uh, literally, if your kid is bored in math class, then you are a murderer.
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Well, obviously YOU would feel this way. Look at the poor spelling in this post, Ioz!
The USRDA for standardized testing facts, properly sterilized and shrink wrapped for mass consumption, will be determined by a committee of Christian text book publishers and some guy named Fred. It's a fact!
Topping from the bottom isn't tolerated in either of your examples.
spoiler alert:
the government needs to spend more money, but this time wisely!
@zencomix.
Im not suprised. When the terms "limosuine liberal" and "parlour pink-o" were invented they described a subset of wealthy salon posers. Now they are a strata of the (dying) economy. (There is even a new book all about them. they way they like it. http://www.amazon.com/Fortunes-Change-Liberal-Remaking-America/dp/047017711X .)
Guggenheim has many things to be ashamed of Im sure but this stinker should be hung around his next like a dead albatross. Especially now after the "plucky heroine" of his movie has been fired and so thoroughly discredited. what a POS.
@zencomix.
Im not suprised. When the terms "limosuine liberal" and "parlour pink-o" were invented they described a subset of wealthy salon posers. Now they are a strata of the (dying) economy. (There is even a new book all about them. they way they like it. http://www.amazon.com/Fortunes-Change-Liberal-Remaking-America/dp/047017711X .)
Guggenheim has many things to be ashamed of Im sure but this stinker should be hung around his next like a dead albatross. Especially now after the "plucky heroine" of his movie has been fired and so thoroughly discredited. what a POS.
@brian m.
any retard with windows and an anal retentive personality can get all the spelling right. if they care to bother. But this is a conversational blog,not a term paper. And That dosent mean they (anal retards) have any thoughts worth having spelled correctly
lol @ anal retards
Its appalling that people like paul weirich and the Koch bros, and rupert murdoch, etc., etc., want the vast majority of children of America to be idiots,and work toward that end, and then blame the teachers because the kids test scores are low. The American capitalist culture which values conformity and consumption above all other activities,fosters and inculcates stupidity.It will not matter who you hire to teach your offspring, even if it were Plato, Aristotle, St.Jerome and Gallileo, if your youngster is spending 99% of its waking time playing miniature playstation games, while simultaneously watching 8 hours runs of brain dead Japanese cartoons, pausing only to microwave Ramen Noodles, they arent going to learn anything quantifieable.
Anon 12:17, smoke a joint and lighten up, you über-serious fuckknob. It was obviously a joke.
This movie does indeed sound like complete dreck. I'm sorry, if I want to view corporate propaganda I can watch commercials on the teevee.
The Goldman Sachs Charter School, where illiteracy and innumeracy are bundled as tranches into 4.0-grade-point rated investment vehicles!
Dollink, I think you meant "no end," without the "to." Though it's also probably to no end.
Wait, did you mean literally Joe Biden?
I'm confused.
As somebody who always thought Superman was a fascist dildo, I at least like this movie's title.
Meanwhile, Waiting for James W. Loewen is the real story, and exactly why the word "education" provokes thoughts of murder in this market-totalitarian dumphole.
I wants me some anal retardation. At least, I would like some selective anal retardation. The prison scenario comes to mind.
In other news I'm not sure Yaws is the socioeconomically correct messenger for epatering bourgeois public education. Kids in Akron should be home-schooled?
But what about THE CHILDREN!
In an economy whose major growth opportunities are in the fields of prisons, Walmarts, Burger Kings and home health aides, we would probably be doing our children a downright disservice if we tried to inculcate any kind of "cultural values" beyond their useful service as drones and drudges... why should we encourage genuine interest in a world in which almost all of them have no place beyond that of urban or exurban peon?
The pie is shrinking, and the party is coming to an end. Whether or not our kids' math and science scores improve to levels of Tom Friedman's liking.
Anonymous 12:17. I was kidding. Joking. Playing around. Joshing.
I don't read Ioz for spelling and grammar purity. LOL.
I'm just glad you didn't say add "Joe Biden" to "literally" again.
I'm just glad you didn't say add "Joe Biden" to "literally" again.
You can literally Joe Biden say that again!
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9nk17GI3H1qzabkfo1_500.jpg
If Oilbummmer had his way, he'd privatize the entire public school system and de-unionize the entire US of Amnesia.
The whole decaying hulk will have to implode. Then, if there's anybody left, we can begin anew. It's that bad.
if your youngster is spending 99% of its waking time playing miniature playstation games, while simultaneously watching 8 hours runs of brain dead Japanese cartoons, pausing only to microwave Ramen Noodles, they arent going to learn anything quantifieable.
True story: I dropped out of middle school and spent all my time from 6th through 8th grade doing exactly what you've just described (Well, my Playstation games were full sized, but other then that), and then I tested back into high school with no real effort.
So, I enjoyed this review of Waiting for Superman in the A.V. Club. Apparently, the problems with our schools are:
Spoiler alert!
Teacher's unions are too powerful and there aren't enough charter schools.
Also, apparently Nathan Rabin had never heard or read a single word about Our Failing Schools! before going to this movie, because he seems to think that these are new and fascinating ideas.
Oh man, I need a shark-in-a-monocle tattoo now
Fuck how young'uns who get 2400 on the SAT can't give you their opinion.
Yglesias and some other proggies note that white & asian kids do fine in U.S schools. The other countries we woefully compare our test scores to are mostly white/asian. So until someone points out a country that does a better job with comparable students, how do we know ours are doing an unusually bad job? Similarly, our incarceration rate may not actually be so bad compared to other common-law countries.
what is the point of the metric/qualifier
"other common-law countries"
aside from useless point of reference, that is?
Interesting timing. My girl tested at the top of her school's grade in math last week and was bumped up a class today. Her little brother is also "bored" by school math.
err...Funny
Charles F. Foxtrot, you'd have to ask Julius Ozoaba, who only discussed such countries in the abstract I cited. I'd be interested in seeing comparable data from countries which do not have common-law systems.
@Christopher
"True story: I dropped out of middle school and spent all my time from 6th through 8th grade doing exactly what you've just described (Well, my Playstation games were full sized, but other then that), and then I tested back into high school with no real effort."
Lets not personalize this and lets assume you are a genius. But lets also say that another young man (lets call him shmistopher) spent 2 years on a Japanese kiddie-crack bender and then "tested back into high school with no real effort". What that would mean, is that the young man scored somewhere in the middle of the aggregate test scores of all the other kids, who were spending their days much as he did. Which supports what i said.
The effort to blame teachers and schools for the collapse of the culture and the destruction of the middle class, by those same amoral, narcisistic,self worshipping,disaster capitalist swine, who are demagoguing the problem in order to swoop and liposuction out any actual value left in the system, is at root of whats REALLY wrong with education.
@TGGP
Similarly, our incarceration rate may not actually be so bad compared to other common-law countries.
why should we be glad that our incarceration rate is "not so bad" compared to sub saharan africa, the arabian penninsula, and southeast asia?
http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/law-wiki/33066-common-law-countries-world-map.html
our incarceration rate compared to the only other "common law countries" which are not in Africa or Asia (and are all in the Anglosphere),is apalling. As Oxtrot said, TRULY "a useless point of reference".
I'm gonna just put this out there:
A. Right now we spend like $15,000 per kid per year on public schools.
B. Most of these kids can barely read when they graduate.
C. It wouldn't matter if they all were rich kids with trust funds anyway.
So, I suggest we just put 15k in a trust fund for each kid, every year until the kid is 18. They can access the fund when they're 25.
Yeah ~200k is going to last a completely uneducated person a whole long time.
Are we really spending 15k per kid? I didn't think it was nearly that much. Still, it's an interesting idea.
Douglas Rushkoff recently wrote a piece on boing boing bemoaning the lack of computer programmers available to the US Military.
In a follow up comment Rushkoff states that the people he knows in the military just want to protect us and they seek peace.
typical technocrat bullshit. THe same guy that writes about economies of scale and advocates a return to local agrarianism is advocating, through central planning on a massive industrial scale, engineered learning so that there is more meat for the grinder (but meat that programs). Not for hegemony, empire, desctruction, etc. but to seek peace through war.
here's the link;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-rushkoff/programming-literacy_b_745126.html
Well, apparently if your kid is bored in math class, you are an american. And if you are an american, then you are a member of the american democratic republic, which, by design, assigns responsiblity for its policies to the membership. And that american democratic republic has been regularly murdering people for some time now, with little to no disruption from one national election to the next (i.e. the point at which the membership exercises control over those murdering policies).
So, yes. If your kid is bored in math class, then you are a murderer.
Actual figures here (see fig 16a). The upshot is that it is a totally insane libertarian clusterfuck of an idea. Even with interest, 13 years of primary schooling gives an uneducated 18-year-old a grand total of $145k. Public education is a bargain.
not to mention, do your really think people are going to let their tax dollars be dispensed as a cash handout to all 18-year-olds? Assuming it is not disingenuous, this may well be the dumbest policy proposal of 2010!
Dunno, seems to me $145k would get ms through a bit of home schooling and an internship at Goldman Sachs.
& lol @ "policy proposal"
What's with the commenters today? Did they come from the moon? Bring the normal anarchist types back.
yeh right - for it to compound interest they can't touch it until age 18. Otherwise it's $8,900 a year for innumerate Uncle Bob to stay home from work and try and get Junior through algebra.
Some crazy ass shit. lol@ wannabe anal retards.
@ the pro said
"B. Most of these kids can barely read when they graduate."
can you cite some documentation for that claim?
"Public education is a bargain."
Not if you account for all the kids on whom the money is wasted because they couldn't give two shits about the supposed education they're getting.
"not to mention, do your really think people are going to let their tax dollars be dispensed as a cash handout to all 18-year-olds?"
I don't know. I currently "let" my tax dollars be used for all kinds of stuff I don't like or care about.
"Otherwise it's $8,900 a year for innumerate Uncle Bob to stay home from work and try and get Junior through algebra."
Why would Uncle Bob have to stay home and try to get Junior through algebra? What if Junior doesn't want to learn algebra? And if Junior does want to learn it, why would he get Uncle Bob, who most likely doesn't remember too much about the subject from his own school days, having been high most of the time, when he bothered to show up at class at all, to teach him?
@nony 3:48 - About 1/4 of U.S. high school graduates do not learn how to read well, meaning that 3/4 of high school graduates do learn how to read well. The overall percentage of adults nationwide who can't read well is also 25%.
In 1910 only half the American population had even rudimentary reading skills, -- 1 in 10 had a high school diploma.
So basically what's happened in the last century is that universal access to primary level public education made it possible for somewhere between 30 and 50 million adults to learn to read who would otherwise not be able to. It hasn't done a good job for about that same number of people. Guess that means we should scrap the whole thing, hand out $8,900 welfare checks, and party like it's 1910.
Anal retard wannabees.
@Anony 3:48
LOL. honestly, laughing out loud. di you read about the for-pay- fireman caper? who let some guys house burn down cause he didnt pay the 75 annual fee? that was bad enough but then his neigbors house caught on fire and while they were checking to see if he was payed up, he almost lost his house too. rational self interest. you gotta love it.
@Anony 3:48
LOL. honestly, laughing out loud. di you read about the for-pay- fireman caper? who let some guys house burn down cause he didnt pay the 75 annual fee? that was bad enough but then his neigbors house caught on fire and while they were checking to see if he was payed up, he almost lost his house too. rational self interest. you gotta love it.
PARTY LIKE ITS 1910, PARTY LIKE ITS 1910!!
There you have it. Two years before Anglo-Iranian Oil Company was founded. Three years before the 16th amendment. That's the moment. Back to the future. Taft in 2012!
It's always interesting to see the topics that bring out people's inner statists. We've seen education and drugs do the trick recently. Maybe something about social security to really get the juices flowing tomorrow?
How about fucking slavery, that ought to bring out everyone's inner statist! The evil Federal guvmint came down to Dixie and sat on everyone's rational self-interest!
Oooh, and even calling attention to it prompts comparison to slavery! How very sensitive.
A good anti-statist is apparently willing to give up literacy, vaccination, and fire protection-- why not emancipation too? Seriously, banning slavery was the first significant act of modern nation states, right on the heels of censuses. Totally instrumental. Used to great effect against the Muzzlems. And yet-- without strong states, slavery is always what you get. All this other liberal stuff you hate begins there. Do you all have the stomach to party like it's 1832?
"Seriously, banning slavery was the first significant act of modern nation states."
First it depends where, and second while valid this statement is a bit reductionist.
PARTY LIKE ITS 1832!!
Seriously though, Iz never seen a better argument for compulsory, standardized, universal education than in Roots.
anon@4:34, you mean, "The overall percentage of adults nationwide who can't read good is also 25%."
what an amateur.
Speaking of the nineteenth century, and in light of the comments here generally, is it possible that the film's title is a subtle call to remake American education and society according to Nietzschean concepts? Early pigeon-holing has always been the (successful) German way. Some well-considered renaming and rebranding ("untermenschen" must go) in place, and we might all witness an important cultural breakthrough.
@anon@7:35
the state is evil man. left to our own dvices rational self interest would take the wheel and drive us into a paradise of markets, rationality, and self interest pursual. the state is for cissies
lets party like its 476
I dunno, maybe it's just my virulent Uncle Sam leg humping, but I'm pretty glad that I learned calculus.
In 1910 only half the American population had even rudimentary reading skills, -- 1 in 10 had a high school diploma.
The literacy rate in 1910 was 91.7%; according to the US Census. Your rate of high school diplomatization appears to be correct, but it does not mean what you think it means. Learning to read does not take 12 years of schooling. In fact, it doesn't take any formal schooling at all for many kids.
@7:35 Anon:
Seriously, banning slavery was the first significant act of modern nation states, right on the heels of censuses.
Plus ca change, bichiz!
Without the "seriously", I cold've hoped this was posted in jest.
Capt'n Obvious
IOZ, are you going to heed James Wolcott's call for you to review The Social Network?
"We have...I think 150 million high-skilled, high-paid jobs, but we’re only going to produce about half that. Our schools are not geared toward building, preparing kids for the modern economy."
-Davis Guggenheim
http://www.avclub.com/articles/waiting-for-superman-director-davis-guggenheim,46295/
So, basically, this is all just supply-side dogma grafted onto skools...
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