Monday, December 06, 2010

Hot Meat Injection

Watching Ross Douthat discover that the practical mores of the underclass are, well, practical, is as amusing as a twelve-car pile-up and just as messy. They must be seriously easing off the core requirements at Harvard, since the easy-spreading legs and loosey-goosey ways of the peasantry are as native to the English stage comedy as puns and breeches. Libertinage and moral rectitude are inventions of the aristocracy. The common people have always made do, and made the best, of what was available--to their credit, by the way. To paraphrase the youth of our day: moral philosophy is gay.

I don't have to tell you that Douthat misses the obvious implication of all this, which is not that the voices of the un-college'd crowd are under-amplified in the debating society of the so-called culture wars, but that a majority of Americans are non-participants in the great, ongoing farce that Douthat et al. imagine to be the national conversation, in other words, democracy. If marriage as an economic institution is disappearing--and it is--among the used-to-be-working class, then that is because it serves Douthat's class; whereas, in the industrial economy, married, single-earner households served a necessary and stabilizing purpose within the workforce, Money now views stability and mutual support within the lower orders as dangerous, not in the least because the bonds of family and community are the first steps to, whisper it softly, organization. Douthat laments the passing of the Catholic Church among the "ethnic working classs". He obviously fails to mention its corollary: the labor movement.

80 comments:

Anonymous said...

Since "unstable" households are unable to consume at the level which keep our corporate masters well fed, I don't see how Money would see that stability is an actual threat now that the unions have been weakened and subverted enough that they are no longer a serious threat.
Michael L

IOZ said...

Do you see your "corporate masters" struggling to feed themselves, you fool?

Mr.Fundamental said...

What is this bullshit, man? Money don't fucking care! It don't matter to Money! But you're not fooling Money! You might fool the fucks in the Parish Rectory, but you don't fool Money! It's bush league psych-out stuff! Laughable, man! Money would've fucked you in the ass at Saturday's Sundown Service, Money'll fuck you in the ass next Ash Wednesday instead!

urbanprof said...

Another doozy in Douthat's column:

Bla, bla, bla "further down the educational ladder, where sex and child-rearing often take place in the absence of any social structures at all."

The absence of any social structures at all?! What --Walmart and Prison don't count?

Anonymous said...

"C. S. Lewis devotees..."
I doubt the majority of college grads know who Lewis is let alone read him.

augustus818 said...

Money never sleeps. It can't bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. And it absolutely will not stop. EVER! Until you are dead.

Anonymous said...

"Money now views stability and mutual support within the lower orders as dangerous, not in the least because the bonds of family and community are the first steps to, whisper it softly, organization. Douthat laments the passing of the Catholic Church among the "ethnic working classs". He obviously fails to mention its corollary: the labor movement.
"
Holy Shit, IOZ. Ya mean I have to come HERE to read what I could just as easily look-up in my notes from Totalitarianism I taken as part of my PoliSci requirements in nineteen-sixty-fucking-six!!!!!

I can still remember Professor Burroughs like it was yesterday - what T-tarians always do is break down EVERYTHING that stands between the individual and the state in Western Daymocracies.

Geez - if yer gonna recycle, you could at least give credit to Lipschutz, Dale, Bell, et alia.

Or did you think your readership so young that it would all think your observation original?

Montag said...

from a practical standpoint, marriage is no longer relevant as an economic institution. it's a struggle for even two income married households to put food on their family these days. my spouse and i couldn't afford a divorce even if we wanted one. of course, even happily married, it's almost impossible to find time to write a crappy blog once in a while, let alone start a revolution.

what Mr. Fun said. It don't matter to Money! money's like: "marriage?" [shrugs] "meh."

Anonymous said...

Oh, and BTW, it's "hot beef injection", not "hot meat injection". This I have as authoritative from dissertation student of Noam's, who while he was in Cambridge in the mid-sixties, put an ad in the Globe personals simply stating "we will do anything with anybody", and were startled by a knock on his door in the middle of the night from a Chief Purser who had just docked in Southie after a long journey purser-ing on a tramp steamer from Turkey. If anyone should know, Ray should know.

Bud Fox said...

Anon @ 11:24 - there is a whole generation who have no idea what you are talking about.

Money has won! You hippies and Prof Burroughs lost. Howl, indeed.

At least he wouldn't be persecuted for his man-love anymore, so that's some kind of victory...right?

Montag said...

yeah yeah anon. we're all standing on the giant's shoulders. think i'll give IOZ the benefit of the doubt that he came by the observation honestly.

being on a first name basis with someone who's on a first name basis with Noam must be neat though.

whoops, i may have sprained an eye from rolling them so hard.

Mr.Fundamental said...

anon@11:24 is saying that he'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars, Monsieur.

Montag said...

Mr. Fun can't watch though. Or he has to pay a hundred.

Anonymous said...

Note to Montag - I would never use NC's first name unless, for the past 30 years I had been able to get appointment time with him whenever I asked for it. I haven't taken advantage of that option in a few years, but our last email exchange was just last year re a novel observation on one of the formal language classes he originally postulated.


In case you think I'm blowing smoke, permit me to add that in my opinion, another reason why his door was always open to me was not only because I've made still-cited contributions to his academic field, but also because I was an staunch defender of his in l'affaire Faurisson. I still have our exchange of corrspondence on the matter and I can tell you that what I wrote meant a lot to him - in fact, in his reply, he wrote (direct quote) "I am starting to take reactions such as yours as a touchstone of sanity ..."

So do yourself a kindness and fuck-off - you've only made yourself look very foolish.

Agi said...

I thought Noam Chomsky was dead.

Anonymous said...

Note to Bud Fox - thanks for the sympathy, but you've got the wrong take on Prof Burroughs and the APA crowd of the 50's 60's. Ya gotta remember that these were the guys who proudly claimed to be doing netural political analysis while busy writing the south Korean Constitution.

Regarding the fact that "money had won", you don't have to tell me.

After the pussies at Harvard and Columbia had paid their $25 trespassing fines and spent their summers in their usual haunts on the Vineyard, I was the first student leader to face a JohnDoe federal injunction to vacate a campus building.

Needless to say, I was not about to jeopardize my slice of the Amahrican pie and promptly vacated the building with my tail between my legs.

Which is why I'm reduced to frutilessly trying to assuage my guilt by commenting at blogs such as this one ...

Mr.Fundamental said...

he fixes the cable?

Solar Hero said...

No, but Chomsky's "academic field" is dead. Dead as a doornail.

Anonymous said...

To Solar Hero - only because he himself let it be hijacked by the semanticists. There are still plenty of formal language theoreticians and syntacticians laboring in the vineyards, and not with the asinine tools of the current "minimalist" program ...

Unfortunately, he came to distrust formalisms, when he should have looked at his own more deeply instead ... hence, the apparent "death" of his field ...

Jack Crow said...

Chomsky: Kant in the brain. Full stop.

Professor Coldheart said...

Yeah, well, Tom Palmer once spilled a pitcher of iced tea on me, so NOW who's an asshole?

El Serracho! said...

"Unfortunately, he came to distrust formalisms..." i'm pretty sure that was lifted directly from unhappy hipsters

Agi said...

I'm waiting for Chomsky to chime in a la McLuhan in Annie Hall with a "you know nothing of my work..."

Montag said...

well MY WORK has been commended as being strongly vaginal.

and i was just teasin' ya about your name-dropping, Anon. no need to get bent out of shape.

IOZ said...

Having lived in Paraguay for the last seventeen and a half days, I can say definitively that none of you knows what you're talking about.

puppylander said...

i believe anon knows noam personally. only a cambridgian asshat would think bootstrapping/ namedropping and proper citation matters on the internets.

Leonard said...

On the internet, nobody knows you know Noam.

Leonard said...

As for the thesis of this here OP, call me doubtful. "Money" doesn't care about marriage one way or the other, unless you are using "money" as a synecdoche for the progressive movement. But since progressives are all about "organizing" (albeit of their own client classes under their own control), they cannot be your "money". Trust funders are an important part of the progressive movement, as is the occasional big money man like Soros. And they are also important members of "money", but the two are still distinct classes.

Marriage has been disestablished because it stands in opposition to the liberal understanding of humanity: that male and female are equal and equivalent; that we cannot enslave or indenture ourselves even willingly; and that it is the job of the state to pay for children's needs. This abolition has little to do with "money"; rather, religious belief.

Anonymous said...

You think that's cool, I know anonymous.

Mr.Fundamental said...

Leonard, you are insane.

Anonymous said...

I'll second Leonard's last motion. With reservations? Nah, in toto.

Capt'n Obvious

Leonard said...

Saner than you are.

Anonymous said...

no offense taken Montag.

Particulatly because the funny thing is that being on a "first-name" basis with him is not what it at first may seem.

Whenever a cowering proselyte would introduce himself or herself using the usual honorific, e.g. "How do you do, Prof C?", he would reply, "Don't call me that - it always makes me think you're talking about my father."

So everyone who's met him once, even casually, is on a "first-name" basis with him.

Anonymous said...

to El Serracho -

Lifted from "hipsters"?

Boy do you have it backwards.

Look up the academic publications of a guy named John Robert Ross ... before he dropped acid, became a generative semanticist in Lakoff's camp, and after that, got kicked out of MIT (yes - kicked out) for being too aggressive a recruiter of his graduate students for his own personal Amway business.

An American Tale, I tell you ...

IOZ said...

How did we end up with a clueless anonymouse attempting to ape the house style of SMBIVA with such limited success. This place is getting too weird even for me, and I, like, live here.

El Serracho! said...

when you finally get around to writing a commenters code of ethics, IOZ, and i hope you'll use shakesville as a template, be sure to encourage at least a passing familiarity with unhappyhipsters.com

Anonymous said...

Now, now, IOZ - I really didn't mean you intentionally plagiarized anything ...

I just felt that if you had taken a moment to recall the pedigree of your observation, you probably wouldn't have bothered to make it in the first place ...

IOZ said...

Good god, a fake academic is just as gratuitous as a real academic. Simulacra simulacrum, as the ex used to say.

Anonymous said...

Ya know, our gracious host once told us that Barack Obama was just an empty suit. I knew that. I'd said it, elsewhere on the internets, and was even quoted to that effect in a local paper. Somehow, when IOZ said it here, I didn't rush to claim that, if he' d known about the idea's pedigree, he wouldn't have bothered. It was already in my paper, by god. It is not worth saying again.

tl;dr: whoever that anon is, he crazy.

Anonymous said...

To anon@7:27:

Part of the problem we're facing today is due to a certain ahistoricism rampant among the younger set.

IOZ could do better than to contribute to it.

Plus, of course, my original post was prompted by the fact that the LAST kind of person The Lustrous One would want to be caught echoing is some hack poli sci prof of the Robert Alan Dahl era (I typo'd Dale for Dahl in my original post ...)

That fact, in and of itself, was enough to call him on the post.

Brother Seamus said...

That's right, motherfuckers: FULL CITATIONS for every goddamn thing you say on the Internet. Footnotes, endnotes, bibliographies. Can't take a chance that some name-dropping cockmonster will accuse you of taking credit for an idea that someone else in history already mentioned in some form or another.

BTW, you dumbass: IOZ is in his late twenties. You know, "the younger set."

Anonymous said...

to Brother Seamus -

Have you been illuminating too much lately?

Or hoeing the radishes?

Or has something else dulled your wits?

I've already said that I wasn't accusing IOZ of plagiarism, but rather of an unbecoming and atypical carelessness.

And even if IOZ were that young, which is most assuredly not, what makes you think that the "younger set" can't and doesn't continuously contribute to its own ahistoricism?

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George Jones said...

coach outlet ftw.

Brian M said...

Does Chomsky sport Coach? Or is he more of a hand-tooled Argentine dude?

Ethan said...

IOZ, if this guy upsets you enough that you need to take a personal day, just know that we're ALL IN.

K. Ron Silkwood said...

My sister has a personal relationship with Jesus.

Enron said...

"the pedigree of your observation"
What the fuck are you talking about?

LA Confidential Pantload said...

I'm a meteorologist for TWA. It's an incredibly interesting, but lonely job. Stuck in
the cockpit of some jumbo jet hours at a time, nothing to look at but charts.

Anonymous said...

to Enron:

Except in the rare cases when "nihil novum sub sole" is actually not true (relativity?), all observations have "pedigrees", i.e. parents, grandparents.

In the case at hand, IOZ's point has a lineage that traces back to some observations by some 1950's Establishment social and political scientists who claimed they were trying to "scientifically" identify key differences between totalitarianism and democracy.

Now in fairness to our host, he did (as is his wont) put a novel and interesting twist on the point - one that is certainly worth considering.

But I think the impact of his point would actually have been even greater had he acknowledged its "pedigree" - i.e. the past contexts in which the same or similar points have been made.

mp said...

Dude, is this the name-dropping thread? Like, I met Tom Morello at a Rage show in '92, before they made videos, and he gave me his autograph and directed me to the Free Mumia posters on sale. I can speak for him, and remind you to keep that in mind, IOZ. You've got to acknowledge that pedigree the next time you talk about how the government sucks.

Anonymous said...

It's so good that IOZ has readers like mp, who are ready at the drop of a hat to step in and help "purify the dialect of the tribe."

lucid said...

Oh lulz... This thread reminds me why I found the academy so pedantic.

El Serracho! said...

we've found the last living soul who doesn't realize that the internet is a joke

mp said...

Those who reference, one after the next, the most insufferable writers should refrain from commenting on the originality of others.

The Mathmos said...

Coach outlet and I spammed a Terry Fox Marathon of Hope thread in 2005.

Anonymous said...

to mp:

Yes - I have heard the Quartets are pretty rough-going for light-weights.

Brother Seamus said...

And even if IOZ were that young, which is most assuredly not, what makes you think that the "younger set" can't and doesn't continuously contribute to its own ahistoricism?

"Which is most assuredly not"? What the fuck are you babbling about? How drunk are you?

I would go dig up the posts from the archives where he revealed his age to us to suit your rigorous academic standards, but, you know, fuck off. The point is, you seem to think blog posts should be research papers or 800-page books, and you seem to think IOZ is, like yourself, older than dirt.

Anonymous said...

Well IOZ, they're loyal - I'll give you that.

But late 20's?

Really - how could you?

mp said...

4:18--Stick with the Chomsky-sucking and MLA citations. You ain't teaching me bout poetry.

IOZ said...

Roadie for Metallica.

Leonard said...

Bunch of assholes.

Anonymous said...

On the internet no one knows you're a god.

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Bonjour Tristesse said...

Actually it's Hot Boeuf Injection--take it from someone who once had a poster of Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir on his wall.

Enron said...

Dear Establishment Ivy League Nony:
Have you ever heard of Edmund Burke?

LA Confidential Pantload said...

Actually, I knew Eddie Burke. Great college career, but never made it in the pros.

zencomix said...

Chomsky got Hot Meat Injection from Frank Zappa. It's true. I read it in Rolling Stone.

puppylander said...

i love: "unbecoming and atypical carelessness".

because ioz is known typically to care so much about academic citation.

IOZ said...

Yeah, well, if I were carelessness, I'd be unbecoming on you too.

Mr.Fundamental said...

Well, that's the way I've always heard it should be,

Anonymous said...

to puppylander -

You're merely the last idiot in this thread who doesn't understand that my point had absolutely nothing to do with academic citation of the "op cit" or "ibid" variety.

Sometimes I speak too elliptically, so let me try to explain what I thought would be clear to everybody.

One of the reasons we all read here is precisely because IOZ has such an original way of relating his personal ideals to the various ways in which the world is not living up to them.

And in my opinion, it's precisely that reputation for originality which he must be very "careful" about preserving.

In the case at hand, I personally think that IOZ's originality would have been even more appareent if he had posted to the effect that the "money" crowd now comprises a bunch of new dogs busy learning and performing the old totalitarian tricks for breaking down whatever stands between centralized power and decentralized individuals.

That's what's original in IOZ's thought, in my opinion - the "new dogs/old tricks" theme, and I think the post would have resonated even more strongly had he taken a moment to present the matter in this way.

Sorry if I offended anyone in the process of not speaking as clearly as I perhaps could and should have.

respjrat said...

...identify key differences between totalitarianism and democracy.

your premise is fucked.

Anonymous said...

he must be very "careful"

Nony, since yer an academic and all: don't quote words if you are not referring to them, and you are using their normal, dictionary meaning.

Or maybe I should say: don't "quote" words if you are not "referring" to them, and "you" are using their normal, "dictionary" meaning. If "you" get my "drift".

puppylander said...

i also love: "the post would have resonated even more strongly had he taken a moment to present the matter in this way."

thank god nonny's here to edit.

anon, you shouldn't worry so much about being "elliptical" as being a pretentious d-bag.

Anonymous said...

to anon @ 9:16


"Nony, since yer an academic and all"

Far from being an academic, I am an ABD who, with comps behind me, refused to a do a bullshit thesis just to get out when I already had two peer-reviewed publications in leading journals ...

Marcel said...

It's performance art - right?

If so, Bravissimo!

Keep it going, I'm agog.

Anonymous said...

Nony: nonys arguing with nonys is why we'd all be happier if you got yourself a handle. Then we could mock you to your virtual face.

Anonymous said...

anon@5:42

Speakin' of handles, do you know I once successfully spuf'd The Lustrous One (our host) with the nic "The Agha"? (But that was in another country, and besides ...)

Those of you familiar with Kazantzakis' novel "The Greek Passion" (or the movie "He Who Must Die/Celui_qui_doit_mourir" which Dassin made from it with Mercouri as Magdalene) will understand immediately why a nic like "The Agha" would attract The Lustrous One's interest.

For those of you not familiar with the novel, this snippet from WikiP will give you the idea:

"The whole story is made colorful by the Turkish household consisting of The Agha, the Lord of Lycovrissi. He lives surrounded by his Oriental splendor, drinks himself crazy and enjoys raki and pretty boys."

The Mathmos said...

@Marcel

Low-spectrum autistic wavelengths, more like. If amateur interwebs diagnostics are your thing.