Monday, January 24, 2011

The Law, in Order

Few take issue with King's assertion that homegrown terrorism is rising dramatically.

In the past two years, according to Justice Department statistics, nearly 50 U.S. citizens have been charged with major terrorism counts - all of them allegedly motivated by radical Islamic beliefs.

-WaPo
Charged with major terrorism counts. Now isn't that an interesting way to put it.

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25 comments:

ts said...

And 'allegedly' motivated - alleged by whom?

10:09 AM
la Rana said...

And lets not forget, lets not forget, that, uh, training supplying and motivating these people to commit fake acts of impossible terrorism, that ain't legal neither.

11:11 AM
Leonard said...

You don't get it. This is not just some asshole's opinion -- it's Science! Statistics! Official statistics! If you doubt them, you may as well doubt all other scientifically-known facts, like that the earth is round, or that we're all about to perish as the oceans rise and the world burns up from Climate Change.

11:13 AM
Inkberrow said...

No legal expert here, but I'd suggest that the word "charged" was employed so as to include those who haven't yet gone to trial.

Including Major Hasan, ts, who announced his own motivations with the murder weapon in his hand.

11:44 AM
Anonymous said...

Loughner, on the other hand, didn't have Islamic beliefs, and therefore was a crazed loner rather than a terrorist.

11:55 AM
Inkberrow said...

Anon @ 11:55---

Whether or not Loughner was ideologically motivated (i.e., a "terrorist"), wouldn't you agree his case at least facially seems inapposite to King's hearings specifically on the recent epidemic of domestic jihadists?

If you're somehow troubled by the prospect of addressing discrete portions of the same sort of problems, just close your eyes and pretend we're talking about homophobic bullies, anti-abortion activists, or the Spokane MLK Jr. parade bomb. Your "Climate of Hate" hat will suddenly fit much better.

12:12 PM
Happy Jack said...

Epidemic?

12:20 PM
la Rana said...

ideologically motivated. Hahaha.

Take my hand inky, and I shall walk you through it. "Charged" includes only those claimed by the government to be terrorists. Ya know, like the savings from the Health Care bill an all dat. It is used instead of "convicted" because it is bigger and scarier, despite being, ya know, less indicative of the point that the author claims to be relaying.

12:22 PM
¯\(°_0)/¯ said...

@ Happy Jack

50 people have been charged! I for one don't want to be complicit when that number reaches 65!

12:33 PM
Professor Coldheart said...

I think y'all are missing why "charged" is the punchline.

12:36 PM
Happy Jack said...

With the FBI's skills in entrapment, the number of America-haters could easily approach 100 if they surfed the blogroll to the right.

1:11 PM
la Rana said...

thx coldheart. of all people i should have noticed that.

1:22 PM
Inkberrow said...

Happy Jack---

You seem to be confusing "entrapment" with just plain "trapment". Keep your noble principles on the alert, however, should the FBI turn out to have been monitoring the activities of some Vulnerable Kid in Spokane. Meanwhile, "epidemic" in this connection means "a large number".


La Rana---

Yes, they await adjudication. "Charged", in other words. A toughie.


Professor Coldheart---

Yep, Nidal Hasan, Faisal Shahzad, Abdulmutallab, Mohamed Mohamud, Abu Hamza, et al---political prisoners!

Free Mumia! (but not Roeder)

2:17 PM
boetian said...

To be fair, nearly half of those charged failed the "terroristsayswhat?" test

2:46 PM
¯\(°_0)/¯ said...

Meanwhile, "epidemic" in this connection means "a large number"


24 is the highest number!

3:08 PM
Anonymous said...

"I just wish I could talk to Pete today," [Khankan] said. "I want to say to him: 'Tell me what I said or did so I can explain it. Give me a chance to clarify.' "

your skin's too brown and you backed the wrong ostensibly omnipotent pony, dude. it would be, in the parlance of our times, "political suicide" to be seen with crazy musselmen. might make him seem like some sort of crypto-islamofascist freedom hatin' terrorist sympathizer. what would the nice white people say?!

inky--

yeah, we got ourselves a big ol' problem here. all them radical islamists runnin around this here great nation of ours! fifty people charged out of a nation of 300+ million?? like cockroaches, man!

i thank hashem in the highest that we have great, patriotic right thinking americans like you, who understand that any group deemed true Enemies of the State(tm) are not guaranteed any of those pesky constitutional rights like right to trial by jury, or you know, habeas corpus.

next step is turn the middle east into a glass parking lot by bombing them (further) into the stone age. i know you've got my back on this one bro.

3:15 PM
Inkberrow said...

Anon @ 3:15---

No offense, but I think you'll have to look elsewhere. You appear to have more in common with OBL and Al Awlaki than with me.

3:28 PM
Anonymous said...

inky--

how can you say that? we both agree that we of the pale skin, blessed be us, have the white man's burden placed upon us to civilize savages. and we know that the sixth amendment has that whole line about denying americans their rights to speedy and public trials is trumped by the super secret sixth amendment only able to be seen in the fourth dimension (thanks to our supremely superior white male brains) that proscribes those rights for brown people who got beef with the empire. blessed be too our white male slave owning forefathers for such insight.

and you're saying now we're not bros?! you're being very un-dude.

3:53 PM
Professor Coldheart said...

Yes, they await adjudication. "Charged", in other words. A toughie.

Aw, it doesn't know what words mean.

5:23 PM
lucid said...

Yes, free Mumia. I get annoyed when people are imprisoned for life based on testimony that has been a proven result of bribery...

5:48 PM
Inkberrow said...

Anon @ 3:15---

The folks WaPo was citing and King is concerned with have been charged, and will be tried. If for you the upshot of Gitmo is that Hasan's prosecution e.g. is somehow illicit, I'd best leave your to your reductionist color-coding.


Professor Coldheart---

I figured you knew! So it was just a lame subject-change after all.


Lucid---

Were you the one here telling me a while back that James Earl Ray was framed for the government's assassination of MLK Jr.? I can't believe Holder and Obama would harden their hearts in the face of your findings.

6:32 PM
Anonymous said...

HappyJ

You shall know that even on this here blog there were gub'mint provocateurs trolling for "action".

There aren't THAT many anti-state blogs out there, and would take a dozen NSA drones at most a week to troll them all.

Capt'n Obvious

10:10 PM
Happy Jack said...

Capt'n - Can't be that hard. The dudes in Florida didn't even have a coherent ethos. I could get any random dude in Liberty City to pledge allegiance to the Grand Wizard if I promised fifty large.

Inky - why not go the full monty and call it a pandemic?

11:13 PM
tdaschel said...

Rep. King? a human toilet. i expect his Panel of Experts to include the likes of .. Pam Geller, Robert Spencer, and - who knows? - maybe even neo-roundhead Cal Thomas. but, really, i'm impressed that most Americans seem largely immune to the worst of it. i mean, if they took this poison seriously - accepted it in the spirit in which it's given - there would be large scale ethnic cleansing rather than the occasional Sikh beat up on the subway (didn't say Americans were super culturally aware, just more tolerant than the political class gives them credit for ..).

1:51 AM
Inkberrow said...

Happy Jack---

Because "pandemic" would be overstating it. For those not emotionally invested in either "The Sky Is Falling" or "Nothing To See Here, How Dare You!", the decided uptick in Islamist terrorism at home and abroad is what it is, no more and no less.

1:00 PM

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