Monday, February 21, 2011

Fault Lines

I think that Reason magazine's evident conviction that a Democratic president making fairly bland pro-labor statements and his political party seeking to curry favor with one of their larger single voting blocs in the run-up to a presidential election year are characteristics of the imperial presidency, right up there with the presidential right of assassination and the long global war on everyone everywhere all the time, is both partially true and faintly, hilariously hysterical, like the notion that Christina Aguilera's botched Superbowl anthem signals irreversibly an America in decline--true, but not true. And I think that the Reason magazine staff's understanding of unions, collective bargaining, and labor negotiations occupies a mental rung just barely, barely up-ladder from the Matthew Yglesias contribution to the field of economics: it has, in particular, that spectacular internal consistency that is inevitably born of being persistently and insistently wrong.

Unlike most Reason writers, I have had the occasion to negotiate union contracts, always on the side of management, and as I must--persistently and insistently--remind my colleagues, some of whom were also on the goddamned negotiating team, we agreed to the terms and conditions that we love to bitch about. CBAs are not imposed by powerful union goon squads on helpless managers, although hapless managers can be out-negotiated by the stubborn dummies who make up most union leadership. It isn't a wholly unfair point that public employee unions benefit from negotiating with political factions they helped to elect, but anyone involved in a large enterprise with a union shop (or several) finds this point, pulled out like a real Trump in the linked Welch post, likewise faintly laughable, because it is always, always, always the case that mutual interests muddy the adversarial nature of labor negotiations and drive both sides to make disadvantageous concessions in the name of the collective scam.

Management in any case has all the real advantages in a negotiation if management is willing to use them. But most of the time, managers are lazy negotiators and fail to do their work in advance. An unconquerable belief that unions are irrational combined with a childlike wonderment in the face of a bargaining unit that does not acquiesce to management demands with the supine, college-educated spinelessness of the at-will staff in the upstairs offices, leads managers to enter negotiations with functionally final proposals. A few union officials willing to start off asking for the sun, moon, and stars then move toward a more agreeable (for them) middle, which is still far from what management wants. But management just sat dumbly reiterating the points that it thought every rational person would naturally agree to. And in the end, managers are pissed that they got what they consider a bad deal, because it was not the shining deal they wanted, and they act like they had nothing to do with it, even though they were at the table the whole time.

You could of course try to do a better job negotiating next time, or you could try to make unions illegal as punishment for your or your predecessors' terrible tactics, absent strategy, and lack of acumen at the bargaining table. This is the lens through which you have to view various state efforts to make collective bargaining illegal and to decertify labor unions: management is trying to punish labor for management's own failures.

45 comments:

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Isn't it only a failure if management aims to appease the union?

They work at cross purposes these days, don't they? I mean, at least until management runs out of laborers, at which point management has eaten a bullet from its own gun.

Mgt should be working holistically with workers' rights in mind, if mgt wants a durable long-term operation. Somehow, though, it strikes me that in 2011 "long-term" is five years.

RedPhillip said...

For many management cadre, long-term is more along the line of five fiscal quarters.

fish said...

management is trying to punish labor for management's own failures.

This is more like a fundamental tenet than something specific to CBA's.

IOZ said...

I don't disagree, fish.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, IOZ, but you are talking about the private sector here. How much negotiating even actually goes on in the public sector?

And again, if you want to see union/politics self-dealing gotten out of control, google up British Columbia and its unions in the 1990's. Because when it got out of control, it really got out of control.

FB said...

"Yeah, IOZ, but you are talking about the private sector here."

I don't think so. IIRC, IOZ works in government and would be negotiating with public unions

PR said...

I would like your thoughts,if any on the Mondragon Corp. model.

FB said...

also, do you have a source for this?

"And again, if you want to see union/politics self-dealing gotten out of control, google up British Columbia and its unions in the 1990's. Because when it got out of control, it really got out of control."

'cause I'm googling and I'm not finding anything. In fact, the only thing I have found indicates that strike activity actually declined in BC in the 1990s vs. the 1980s

Aeolus said...

An interesting point, but perhaps lacking in the big picture. I think it's pretty clear that the national Republicans are going after public sector unions as part of a broader effort to destroy the NLRA. They rightly see that with the industrial labor movement nearly defunct, it's really AFSCME et al who are keeping the current system of labor relations afloat. When Beohner says he doesn't mind if they lose hundreds of thousands of members, that's what's in his mind.

Moreover, when you figure that the Black middle class is disproportionately represented in government bureaucracies, you begin to see the scope of the gambit here. They figure that at this point AFSCME is the cornerstone of the New Deal and the Democratic Party, and they may well be right.

So your response is clever, and true, but it isn't True.

Anonymous said...

'cause I'm googling and I'm not finding anything. In fact, the only thing I have found indicates that strike activity actually declined in BC in the 1990s vs. the 1980s

Well, in British Columbia it's pretty well known that the public-sector unions, especially the BCTF (the provincial teachers' union), basically ran the New Democratic Party government's policy and ran it into the ground.

I had people who were hard leftists telling me that the NDP was so incompetent and spineless, especially when it came to economic and fiscal matters, that while yes, they were still voting for the party, they sure hope the NDP, for whom they are voting, doesn't actually win.

The whole experiment with unions-based political parties has been such an unbelievable disaster in B.C., the (centre-right) Liberals are going to hang on to power no matter how corrupt they are or are not. B.C. has doing well right now, mostly everyone's got a decent-paying job, foreigners pouring money into Vancouver like mad; the last thing anybody wants is an incompetent union-controlled government shitting in the punch bowl. The NDP, in its desperation to get votes during the last election, actually promised to scrap the carbon tax, which is you know, a progressive measure.

Anonymous said...

The whole thing is actually sort of surreal: people would pretend to be left-wing or whatever, to support the NDP, but at the heart of it all nobody actually wants NDP back in power and is deathly scared of what a euro-style social democratic government might do to the economy. People would actually vote for the NDP, out of loyalty and a sense of progressive duty if nothing else, but then turn around and say that it's all OK because they weren't going to win anyways.

If you want to see social democracy discredited in a really pathetic and saddening way, look at British Columbia. The fact that BC politics used to be heavily determined by unions and that kind of bread-and-butter groups is like some embarrassing uncle people now stick in the attic. It's just surreal.

Anonymous said...

I don't think so. IIRC, IOZ works in government and would be negotiating with public unions

(I thought he worked in one of those quasi-governmental autonomous organizations or whatever?)

Anonymous said...

(And my point wasn't about the public unions, it's about the government management. While, you know, the management negotiator at GE or whatever might be very good at what he does (probably not, actually), the government union negotiator is much more likely to be useless, not because of anything with government employees, but because of structural reasons. Governments simply don't have as much incentive to hire someone who would drive a hard bargain, even if they were wholly competent (and in my experience governments are no less competent than the private sector, so competence isn't even a factor here).

Happy Jack said...

I think it's pretty clear that the national Republicans are going after public sector unions as part of a broader effort to destroy the NLRA.

Nah. They just want to get rid of the phone banks and GOTV efforts the unions provide the Dems. Same reason ACORN was a threat to the republic.

Aeolus said...

Are you kidding? ACORN?

Crusader AXE said...

ACORN did voter registration and phone banks to get out the vote. Republicans in general want to depress the vote.

As for the rest, I have negotiated public sector contracts as well as private sector, and IOZ is pretty much on target. In fact, in public sector unions, the issues concerning work rules are even more important than in the private sector to the employees.

I wrote about this earlier in the week for The Defeatists and Vets Today. Here's the Defeatist Link --
http://thedefeatists.typepad.com/apoplectic/2011/02/hey-are-we-guatemala-or-albania-maybe-belarus.html -- I gotta say I live it when great mime think together even separated by what's reverting to the Great American Desert. Err, that is, great minds come together. Great mimes coming together would just be kind of spooky and sad...

Aeolus said...

Um, I'm glad this offers an opportunity for you two to impress anonymous blog readers with your anonymous collective bargaining experience, but even assuming you're correct about the fecklessness of state level contract negotiators, the question is whether a desire to fix fiscal problems (self-inflicted or otherwise) is really the principal issue at hand here.

I'm suggesting that they are taking aim at collective bargaining because they want to destroy collective bargaining and the wealthiest unions remaining are the ones who are bankrolling defense of these laws for the others.

At any rate, the idea that this is some penny ante electioneering stunt a la the ACORN sting is pretty silly, of for no other reason than that the cash flow of that enterprise ran in the opposite direction.

FB said...

"Well, in British Columbia it's pretty well known that the public-sector unions, especially the BCTF (the provincial teachers' union), basically ran the New Democratic Party government's policy and ran it into the ground."

I'm no expert on BC politics, but that sounds pretty strange to me. You kind of omitted the fact that the premier of BC got his home raided by the RCMP live on television and was charged with corruption. And that's not long after the earlier NDP corruption scandals and the ferry thing. As far as I know, that's what obviously and uncontroversially brought down the NDP government. I can't find any corroboration of your theory, and you still haven't offered any sources.

fish said...

MattY makes a confession:

Personally, I sometimes need to admit in a slightly embarrassed tone that I’ve never actually taken an intro economics course. The best I can say is that I have read both the Krugman and the Mankiw textbooks and I think I understand the material well enough to be taken seriously by economics bloggers with PhDs and everything. But if I had a test blessed with the good housekeeping seal of approval of an ideologically diverse set of famous economists, that would have some value to me.


With PhD's and everything!

Anonymous said...

Good enough for econ bloggers with PhDs in critical theory!

Christopher said...

I have written in the past about how libertarians are pretty lonely in the political scheme of things in terms of constantly being challenged to defend themselves against the "logical conclusion" of their philosophy. But I think it's time to amend that. We are witnessing the logical conclusion of the Democratic Party's philosophy, and it is this: Your tax dollars exist to make public sector unions happy.

Yeah, let's turn the tables on those Democrats! Nobody ever suggests that Democrats want to steal all your money and give it to greedy, lazy people who don't deserve it and are probably criminals. That's the sort of thing that you just never see in mainstream political thought.

I am so tired of bullshit right now.

Anonymous said...

As far as I know, that's what obviously and uncontroversially brought down the NDP government. I can't find any corroboration of your theory, and you still haven't offered any sources.

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta26MfAJTt8&feature=related

and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrhuF5VuC8o&feature=related

Note that there's no mention of past NDP corruption and not letting corrupt bastards back into power; the Liberal narrative was all about the economy, unions, the rest of it.

The corruption didn't even enter into it. Gordon Campbell, the right-wing Liberal premier, got arrested for DUI and yet he still kept winning elections.

Anonymous said...

Another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFqAqnVr2dU&feature=related

The corruption just didn't matter. In B.C., public-sector unions really did bring down their own party, and discredited social democracy.

Anonymous said...

And a more positive tack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzSzb7e8Cj0&feature=related

Anonymous said...

(BTW, my point wasn't that the Liberal attack ads were right, my point was that this is what they believed would sell their party to voters: bad economy, dominance by public-sector unions. They didn't believe at all that noting past NDP corruption would help them with voters.)

FB said...

Liberal campaign ads from 2005? You have to be fucking kidding me

And this:

"The corruption didn't even enter into it."

...is pure fantasy.

http://archives.cbc.ca/politics/provincial_territorial_politics/topics/1637-11310/

http://archives.cbc.ca/politics/provincial_territorial_politics/topics/1637-11322/

Anonymous said...

The point of using 2005 Liberal attack ads is very simple: to show what they thought would appeal to voters, and what exactly they thought voters would be more scared of under a return of NDP government.

In the event, the answer was perfectly clear: a bad economy, and powerful public unions. Strangely enough, the Liberals didn't think talking about past NDP corruption would do anything to convince voters to keep voting for them.

I wonder what that tells us?

Anonymous said...

In any case, the sort of inability to face up to realities (not to mention completely fucking brass balls of bullshit, given that you've probably never been to B.C.) is the sort that has doomed the NDP for the last three election cycles, and made Gordon Campbell the first to win three consecutive elections.

The basic thing is that most people have it absolutely cemented in their heads that a return of the NDP will mean a return of the powerful public-sector unions, and a decrease in the massive amount of money swimming around the place. That's what keeps them from voting NDP now

FB said...

"I wonder what that tells us?"

Um, nothing? or wait... That your argument's structure is completely fucked and you have been making up pure bullshit?

"ot to mention completely fucking brass balls of bullshit, given that you've probably never been to B.C."

Wrong.

Anyways, last comment from me. By now it should be abundantly clear to anyone who cares to follow the links that you are just making up nonsense.

The Mathmos said...

To say that political attack ads are a somewhat correct pointer to socio-political realities, in North America of all places, is... I don't know, wrong? Baffingly stupid-headed?

TD said...

Unlike most Reason writers, I have had the occasion to negotiate union contracts, always on the side of management, and as I must--persistently and insistently--remind my colleagues, some of whom were also on the goddamned negotiating team, we agreed to the terms and conditions that we love to bitch about. CBAs are not imposed by powerful union goon squads on helpless managers ...

Yes, CBAs are not imposed by union goons. But they ARE imposed by labor laws that mandate "collective bargaining" with some arbitrary association called a "union" in the first place.

So while your colleagues' ire was perhaps misdirected, it wasn't necessarily unfounded. It's not as if everyone in the room just voluntarily decided to get together and hammer out an agreement. Half of you are there because government guns are forcing you to be there "negotiating in good faith" and whatnot.

Christopher M said...

"Government guns." Fucking hilarious. Whenever actual government guns have appeared in the actual history of actual labor relations, it has been to shoot workers, on behalf of management.

Charles F. Oxtrot said...

Christopher, you and TD are making the same point.

Anonymous said...

TD wins.

Anonymous said...

Wins what?

Anonymous said...

I don't know, I just like putting "wins" after an internet handle every now and then; I feel it is my contribution to society.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wins!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous who?

Anonymous said...

I wish to note that I am not Anonymous. I'm the other Anonymous.

Anonymous said...

No you're not. I am.

Anonymous said...

"If you want to see social democracy discredited in a really pathetic and saddening way, look at British Columbia"

Yo, yo, Sweden, Finland, heads up!

Anonymous said...

Isn't that kind of like saying, "If you want to see seafood discredited in a really pathetic and saddening way taste my mother's fish sticks?"

Anonymous said...

Wait don't let this thread die. I want more about Canadian provincial politics.

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