I suppose it is no longer necessary to point out that Matthew Yglesias does not know what he is talking about, regardless the subject. He has a preternatural ability to opine knowingly on any subject, his confidence in his own correctness existing in inverse proportion to the accuracy of whatever he is saying at a given time. His ability to miss the point even as he swashbuckles into a conversation to argue that everyone else is missing the point is completely awesome, and I mean that in the most strictly religious sense. He is like a minor god of misunderstanding, a numinous spirit of getting it wrong.
There are plenty of problems with the Michael Pollans and Mark Bittmans of the world, with their bourgeois assumptions about taste and diet and their relatively blithe indifference to the calorie poverty into which much of the world would plunge if their recommendations were taken up too preciptously, unlikely though that scenario is. But obviously when they speak of "processed foods", they are speaking idiomatically, in, um, the parlance of our times. Is Yggie just trying to be clever when he loudly points out that tofu is a processed food. Well, yes, and it has been since the Han dynasty. Bread is a processed food. Salt-cured meat is a processed food. Pickling is processing. Fermentation is processing. "Processing" was an essential development in pre-refrigeration days as in its many forms it provided the means to preserve foodstuffs. Right. Okay. Can we all, nevertheless, agree that processed food is also modern shorthand for Doritos and fucking Twinkies? I think we can.
The Woodchuck:
But you can barely cook anything if you start to rule vegetable oils out bounds. It’s true that the traditional peasant diets of mediterranean countries are very healthful, but there’s nothing healthful about the traditional peasant diet of Ireland or Russia. Obviously, nothing in the Bittman or Pollan ouevres suggests they’re unaware that an all-potato diet could be improved by introducing the occasional tofu stir fry. But I think this slogan captures less of what they mean than they think.I am not certain who is ruling vegetable oils out of bounds. Olive oil, a processed food, dates at least to the Minoans. That's a long time ago, Matt, in case you're not up to The Googling it. The "traditional peasant diets" of Russia and Ireland that you think of as terribly unhealthy, especially the potato diet, were externally imposed by a landed and, in the Irish case, largely foreign gentry, and quite recently in Ireland. Prior to the 18th century, the Irish diet, like the diet of most of Europe, was composed principally of grains, cereals, and vegetables, supplemented by dairy and the occasional meat or fish. It was only with the imposition of the cottier system of rent-exploitative, subsistence-agricultural serfdom that the potato became a staple food of the peasantry. The Russian diet, likewise, though of course there were periods of great deprivation during the bitter history of the Russian empire, was principally composed of grains, cereals, and vegetables, supplemented by dairy and the occasional meat and fish.
In any case, Pollan and his ilk are not suggesting that people eat like European peasants, but rather that people cook more food from basic ingredients, and that many "traditional" culinary cultures provide a model to this end. This is not without its own problems, but the idea that these guys have somehow totally overlooked the fact that several steps are required to make tofu and must be appraised of their oversight by some pedantic rodent lest they continue to beat the drum for a single-crop future of humanity is eminently crazy.
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The post in question was highest caliber Maximum Stupid, the second of the last two days.
The first one dissolved into mush, but amounted to: in the future, we'll all be richer from our rich service sector jobs which more and more of us will be in the service of, driving down wages, so we'll all be able to afford richer services. Yay we wonned the future, good and hard.
I think he has a trifle amount of self awareness that the services argument makes no sense. On the food thing, I am pretty sure he has no clue.
What? Yglesias is against healthy foods? Impossible!
http://progrepnow.blogspot.com/2010/07/amber-milgram-interviews-matt-yglesias.html
Olive oil isn't a vegetable oil... Pollan et al are talking about soybean, canola, and corn oil (also generic veggie oil). And yessir indeedy his woodchuckyness is a total moron to think tofu comes in the "processed food" category...
Those carrots were cut with a knife and cooked! That's processed junk brohemoth!
I mean, leaving aside that neither Pollan or Bittman is as far as I know a tofu enthusiast and that tofu is about as processed as beer, the point is obviously they are obviously trying to get across is that it takes literally no more effort to put a salmon fillet under the broiler for a few minutes than it does to nuke some fish sticks, and that you will be happier as well as healthier if you choose the former. I would almost like to think that this is some monumental bit of obliviousness on Yggles' part but for the fact that once he discovers that simple foods like broiled fish, baked sweet potatoes and steamed greens actually taste good and are cheap, he will doubtless drone on about this like fucking Armstrong prancing on the moon.
Veganism is an ethical choice not to eat animals or animal products or to wear animal skins, etc... It has nothing to do with being or wanting to be healthy. I don't know if Woodchuck understands this. Dude could stand to lose some weight regardless.
Well, Chelsea Clinton's Chief-of-Staff has to be a well-rounded individual, right?
Chewed food is a form of processed food. Guess we should all starve, eh Pollan? Rediculous.
Here's a press release that mentions "processed foods" from an epidemiological viewpoint:
A diet, high in fats, sugars, and processed foods in early childhood may lower IQ, while a diet packed full of vitamins and nutrients may do the opposite, suggests research just published online in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.
The authors base their findings on participants in the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children (also known as Children of the 90s), which tracks the long term health and wellbeing of around 14,000 children born in 1991 and 1992. Parents completed questionnaires, detailing the types and frequency of the foods and drinks their children consumed when they were 3, 4, 7 and 8.5 years old.
This information was then quantified to produce a dietary pattern score for three different types of diet: "processed" or high in fats and sugars; "traditional" high in meat and two veg; and "health conscious" high in salad, fruit and vegetables, rice and pasta.
for the rest, see
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/alspac/documents/pr-junk-food-and-iq-jan-11.pdf
Matt Yglesias is a fucking moron.
It wouldn't surprise me if he was on ConAgra's payroll.
The potato is a New World Crop. A surprisingly healthy one at that.
Dear George:
"a minor god of misunderstanding
a numinous spirit of getting it wrong"
Good! Very good!
"preternatural
opine
inverse proportion
swashbuckles"
Sadly beneath you.
I hope I'll live long enough to read the arguments over how much you owed to me for your literary successes.
Best
Foxhall Edwards
Wonder if we could convince Yggie to get his daily dose of probiotics via fecal transplant?
Yggy used the phrase "analytical scrutiny". I laughed so hard I really feared I might do myself an injury.
Olive oil?
I'll dip my balls in it!
Tofu?
I'll dip my balls in it!
An adoring, patiently waiting Matty Woodchuck's wide-open, slightly moist hairy lips?
I'll dip my...nah, let's not get carried away.
Perhaps Chundermatt knows MORE than you. Perhaps he knows of the ancient Irish-Peruvian trade route simultaneously bringing cocaine to Irish monks helping them illuminate manuscripts and shit AND potatoes for the impoverishment of diets.
Mathew is an Intellectual!
I knew Yglesias was stupid, I really did. Or at least I thought I did. But this takes the motherfucking cake.
"Its a poor man that can't build a roof over his tools."
-ancient farmer proverb
See this roof? Its not built of beer. Its built of Cool Ranch Doritos.
It's a dumb post. But the "preternatural ability to opine knowingly on any subject, one's confidence in one's own correctness existing in inverse proportion to the accuracy of whatever one is saying at a given time" is a Blog phenomenon. Didn't you make a whole argument once about Naomi Wolf and she turned out to be Thomas Wolfe?
It's Obnoxious Rich White Dude argument tactic #4: pretend to misunderstand definition of commonly accepted word, extrapolate into meaninglessness, and then sneer over how stupid this supposedly shows your opponent to be. Therefore, QED, etc. Feminists get this a lot.
Yeah, it's almost as stupid as some blogger lecturing us that Climate Change was a silly term because the climate's always changing.
"He has a preternatural ability to opine knowingly on any subject,"
folks have said this about Manny Theiner (aka "the most ruthless music promoter in Western PA"). thing is, though, that - as exasperating as Manny can sometimes be - he brings the information. THINKS about it, even. this 'glesias yooman - who i'd never heard of prior to reading your blawg - is another pancake entirely. in any case, Pittsburgh re-pre-zent !
Manny Theiner is the most ruthless music promoter in Western PA like my little tiny beagle named Pippi is the most vicious dog. Some people need to log off the fucking roboto boards and get a breath of fresh air. The sun is out. The world turns.
Ygelesias best contribution to the fields of nutrition and culinary delight is still the discovery of frozen vegetables.
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/09/in-praise-of-frozen-vegetables/
That's right, the man found them all by himself, hidden deep in the freezer isle of every grocery store in America. He single handedly saved us from our pandemic dietary wants.
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