Monday, May 09, 2011

Droves of the Academe

There are few entertainments as . . . entertaining as the Herren perfessers weeping over the decline of their discipline, but this piece from Bill Deresiewicz in, of course, La Nation, has a couple of stupendous paragraphs, like this one:

Still, there’s a difference between a Roger Smith firing workers at General Motors and the faculty of an academic department treating its students like surplus goods. For the CEO of a large corporation, workers are essentially entries on a balance sheet, separated from the boardroom by a great gulf of culture and physical distance. If they are treated without mercy, that is not entirely surprising. But the relationship between professors and graduate students could hardly be more intimate. Professors used to be graduate students. They belong to the same culture and the same community. Your dissertation director is your mentor, your role model, the person who spends all those years overseeing your research and often the one you came to graduate school to study under in the first place. You, in turn, are her intellectual progeny; if you make good, her professional pride. The economic violence of the academic system is inflicted at very close quarters.
You have to marvel, really, at its grossness. It's one thing for some CEO to fire a bunch of uneducated workers, quite another to perpetrate such horrors upon members of the same class! My god, it's a mere pond of cultural difference, naught but a leaky faucet of cultural difference that divides them--no gulf here!

A few paragraphs later, Bill makes a point I do consider essential:
If we don’t make things better for the people entering academia, no one’s going to want to do it anymore.
Bill means it as a Hosanna, but I read Hallelujah in every word.

76 comments:

lucid said...

One of the reasons I left academia after 6 years in grad school was the realization that if I was going to be treated like chattel, I might as well be decently compensated for it.

Seeds said...

These are young people who don’t know what college is, who they are, who they might want to be—things you need a college education, and specifically a liberal arts education, to help you figure out.

They need a liberal arts education, or they'll never know that they need a liberal arts education!!!??!

Actually I quite liked it. But yeah, he warms to the theme of "plebs getting shafted due to lack of demand = sad but inevitable" vs "my friends getting shafted due to lack of demand = EMERGENCY!"

This kind of thing is appalling enough when it happens to blue-collar workers. In an industry that requires a dozen years of postsecondary education just to gain an entry-level position, it is unthinkable.

Paul Alexander said...

My uncle asked me what I make a year, around $40,000 if you'd like to know, and he derisively responded by saying that he makes only $5000 a year more even though he has a masters degree. I never felt so sorry for someone in my life. It's really unfair that people with degrees don't automatically make exponentially more than those of us that aren't as learned. I told him that I would ask for a $15,000 a year pay cut if that would make him feel better.

Professor Coldheart said...

But the relationship between professors and graduate students could hardly be more intimate.

Deresiewicz is GETTING SEX TONIGHT.

Also, I wonder where he thinks CEOs come from. The higher Qliphoth?

Good Will Bunting said...

Thanks for the interesting post.

Anonymous said...

The writer was just making a sociological observation: because academic institutions and industrial ones are set up around different kinds of relationships, you would expect less exploitation in universities-- but this actually doesn't happen. Probably has something to do with the fact that temporary and part time faculty are now 70 percent of college teachers, compared with 45 percent in 1975. So there is a lot of class consciousness built into the system.

By the way, your animosity is pretty stupid.

Rowan said...

Yeah, academia has problems. The piece is actually pretty good about describing them, if a little hysterical. Then come the solutions - what do we need? MORE MONEY! Where do we get it? THE DEFENSE BUDGET!

Perfect, The Nation. Perfect.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of which, your anonymosity is pretty stoopid.

Anonymous said...

stoopid (sp)

Anonymous said...

also, 'employees' is not a line item on the balance sheet.

Jack Crow said...

And I get called hotheaded for suggesting that all colleges, universities and prep schools be burned to the fucking ground, fortwith.

Paul Alexander said...

Where is fucking ground? That sounds like a really cool area! I'm over here on celibate ground.

Anonymous said...

duh - he's making an analogy between auto workers and capital equipment that depreciates at 3%/an.

Anonymosity is just another mode of reproduction - kind of like the "teemers" in the bible (mice for example). If it's good enough for IOZ it's good enough for me.

Soj said...

The rich, dull, white kid thinks that he's everything.

lucid said...

duh - he's making an analogy between auto workers and capital equipment that depreciates at 3%/an.

While employee wages don't appear on a balance sheet [though sometimes CEO compensation does], capital equipment does not depreciate at 3%/annum. It's either section 179'ed or depreciated at 3, 5 or 7 years depending on IRS regs.

Anonymous said...

you guys are hilarious. There is no grand unified depreciation rate across all economic sectors, obviously it varies. Electronic instruments of the sort included in government grants for scientific work depreciate at 3%. I think roads and bridges in public budgets are 5%. Industrial equipment is probably a lot higher. But nice try.

Paul Alexander said...

I depreciate this wonderful discussion.

Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe said...

Regardless of how ridiculous or useless a liberal arts graduate degree might be to you, graduate degrees in the sciences are pretty much necessary if you enjoy research, whether you go into academia or not. Frankly, I don't care to, but to continue doing research I do appreciate that it's the experience gained during my master's degree that allows me to do this and, say it ain't so, con people into paying me for it! Not really conning, of course, because I do good research which is appreciated.

TS said...

Is he freakin kidding me? Reality is the opposite of what this guy is saying.

GM needs to treat its workers with a modicum of respect because they, um, make the product that earns enough to make the CEO pay. You can bust a union, but you can't proceed to full-fledged torture. Workers can at least go Project Mayhem on your ass.

Not so in Acadamia. It is one big greek hazing ritual. I was in a PhD program (in economics, even) and they just shit on you and thank you sir/ma'am may I have another. You are their future competition. They themselves have been shat upon for five plus years, plus another six or so as an assistant professor teaching a full course load plus three papers a year until they get tenure. Check your footnotes again, bitch.

People enter academia because it's a cushy life with a steady supply of nubile coeds at your disposal.

At GM they still pay time and a half for overtime. At GMU you get nothing and like it. Hallelujah, indeed.

Anonymous said...

"but I read Hallelujah in every word" sez da IOZmastah!

It's funny what a silly, glib little cocksucker (I mean that literally, not as an insult) IOZ can be. Yeah, it's a completely unambiguously awesome thing that academia is falling apart. Uh -- yeh.

But of course, IOZ doesn't even believe what he's saying --- that is, he doesn't even believe that it's an unambiguously awesome thing. He just sorta has to say stuff like that to keep up his facile pose.voice. Kinda dumb. And a waste of what could probably be a powerful mind, were it properly trained.

I remember reading somewhere that the greatest tragedy for a writer can be to have a facile intellect. IOZ has a facile intellect.

It's like when he brags about how he spent his years at Oberlin snorting coke off guys' dicks, or whatever. It's like -- wow, you've just scandalized the bourgeosie. My Aunt Eleanor has defenestrated herself in shock. Congratulations for that. But he woulda done better to hit dem books! Less sniffin! More book-larnin'!

Oberlin's a second-rate school anyway, except for the music program.

IOZ said...

I prefer to think of my intellect as nubile, particularly as my carcass drags itself into the dim gay wasteland of its thirties. The pose of my prose, meanwhile is uniformly contrapposto.

Mr.Fundamental said...

I do believe that qualifies as a BLAWG!1!!

la Rana said...

such a devastating riposte must take years of proper training.

fatty!!

Anonymous said...

Top private Kindergartens in Manhattan cost $35,000/year, but at least they guarantee no more than 5% schvartzes.

IOZ said...

College is GAY!

Paul Alexander said...

Fatty! HAHAHAHA!!!

I get what the guy is doing here, he's defending the institution of edumacation. He knows that if Monsieur continues to write about his distaste for the current form of higher education he just might bring down the entire teetering edifice. And Monsieur is being insincere to boot, taking this stance after getting a B+ on a paper he worked so hard on. It's time for IOZ to get on the Brain Train.

Mr.Fundamental said...

higher education is retarded

Anonymous said...

Didn't Yggles once brag that he didn't have to open a book during his time at Yale (or wherever)? Not because he was so smart, but because he never had any fucking homework? It explains why "fatty" can fancy himself an economist. First thing they teach you in those goddamned philosophy classes is that NOTHING IS REAL.

Also, representational painting SUX.

Mr.Fundamental said...

...My advice is, do what your parents did! Get a job, sir! The bums will always lose-- do you hear me Lebowski? THE BUMS WILL ALWAYS--

mistah charley, ph.d. said...

The principal purpose of American higher education is to sponsor football and basketball teams.

Anonymous said...

Actually a subsidiary purpose of football and basketball is to sponsor higher education.

lucid said...

Mistah C for the win!

lucid said...

I think roads and bridges in public budgets are 5%.

When people say 'capital equipment' I tend to think they mean 'capital equipment'.

IOZ said...

Oh, you never went to college . . . please don't touch that.

Paul Alexander said...

Hahahaha!!!

IOZ said...

I should've titled this post "To Tell You the Truth, Brandt"

Mr.Fundamental said...

--smoking thai-stick, breaking into the ROTC--

Anonymous said...

oh fuck it, that's your answer to everything isn't it.

Anonymous said...

Deresiewicz crazily enough is describing almost exactly a porno I saw a few days ago. I saw like 15 minutes of it but it was really similar.

Anonymous said...

IOZ you know what your problem is? Your intellect is FACILE. Now let me give you some examples, some solid examples.----Cock! Cock! Cock!

demize! said...

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Anonymous said...

Nonny 1:39 win! ...without the necessary means for--the necessary means for--a *higher* education.

Anonymous said...

IOZ unmasked as Peter Suderman!

IOZ said...

Suderman wishes. I would never be a man with a receding hairline.

Anonymous said...

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lucid said...

I would never be a man with a receding hairline.

Just you wait...

IOZ said...

Alas, lucid, it's all the the genes. Men in my family only ever lose their marbles.

Anonymous said...

Well then FUCK YOU IOZ!!1!

Myles said...

Didn't Yggles once brag that he didn't have to open a book during his time at Yale (or wherever)? Not because he was so smart, but because he never had any fucking homework?

He went to Harvard, so he did have homework. (Yale is the one famous for easygoing academic demands.)

The thing is, why is homework even fucking necessary in college? If people can learn the stuff by the end of the semester and ace the fucking exam, why the fuck give a fuck about homework, which only serves as a cheap mark booster for the unpleasantly diligent (but otherwise dim)?

Oxbridge have traditionally never counted homework, and they've done fine over the centuries.

Myles said...

The most retarded thing about homework is that it's basically got no relationship with aptitude at all. You get marks in homework for working hard, not for actually performing to a certain standard.

College shouldn't be able reward the unduly and boringly hard-working.

la Rana said...

Myles, your failure to realize that rewarding "the unduly and boringly hard-working" is precisely what college is for suggests to me that you did a boat load of homework in your day, ifyaknowwhaddimean.

Anonymous said...

La Rana your mother wears combat boots!

Anonymous said...

La Rana your mother wears combat boots!

Anonymous said...

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Myles said...

Myles, your failure to realize that rewarding

I'm cognizant of how it's set up, but I am suggesting that it's stupid. Oxbridge don't reward the unduly hard-working (you can get a First if you are brilliant enough, work or no work), and there's no reason American colleges should either.

Life doesn't reward the unduly hard-working; nor should college.

lucid said...

While in general I agree about homework, I would suggest that fields such as mathematics [in a very similar vein to music] require repetition. Practicing problem sets is actually an integral process to learning. That said this has nothing to do with 'showing your work'. That whole side of mathematics always bugged me. If you can get the correct answer by doing it in your head, wtf should you have to show your work?

Karl Franz Ochstradt said...

Myles confuses certification and learning... while indirectly suggesting he is himself a genius grad of Oxford and/or Cambridge.

He sounds like Yglesias, UK style, actually.

Apparently Myles is arguing that the purpose of a university is to find a "genius" and give him/her the certificate proving such "genius."

I mean... all that "hard work" he complains about... who should learn, anything, ever? It should all be about natural genius, a thing which Matt Yglesias definitely likes to tell us (albeit by implication most times) that he possesses.

"I got top honors at university and I never cracked a book, though I booked many a crack."

Sounds like an anthem for self-proclaimed "geniuses" everywhere.

Onward, Meritocracy!

Myles said...

I mean... all that "hard work" he complains about... who should learn, anything, ever?

This is 2011. There's Wikipedia for any specific knowledge you want to know; you can just look it up.

What matters (or should matter) is how to think, not what to think. Knowledge is overrated.

Myles said...

What I meant is that higher-end education should teach you not detailed knowledge but how to think. That's genuine education. Stuffing a head full of information isn't.

MazingerZ said...

"While in general I agree about homework, I would suggest that fields such as mathematics [in a very similar vein to music] require repetition."

A popular misconception among math illiterates who nevertheless manage to ace a few lower level math-for-dummies classes in college. A fairly common outcome of an anglosaxon education, fine though it is in many other respects.

la Rana said...

"genuine education"! Lulz.

Oh, do tell .....

Anonymous said...

La Rana is really setting off my asshole detector today for some reason-- or is it my cocksucker detector? My orifice detector at any rate.

Anonymous said...

IOZ went to Oberlin?

I always thought he went to Obergatlinburg.

Well, he probably did, once.

With some redneck relatives.

Christopher M said...

The TRUE math comes from WITHIN, you see. Snatch the functor from my hand, grasshopper!

Nonny Nonny Nin Cum Poop said...

My orifice detector for gram of horse!

Anonymous said...

perfect for IOZ

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Seeds said...

Myles is right - there seems little point in universities teaching at all. My god, don't you see? It's all written down in textbooks and on Wikipedia!

It would make much more sense for universities to simply administer exams every summer, thereby avoiding any risk of inadvertantly rewarding dullards.

Professor Coldheart said...

There's Wikipedia for any specific knowledge you want to know; you can just look it up.

... the argument last week regarding indifference curves and the Industrial Revolution notwithstanding.

you know my cycle said...

i'll be there, man

oops what i meant was said...

Im a TA and sure the pay sucks and im never gonna get tenure...

but i cant be bothered to work more than a dozen hrs a week anyway, ive got to much pot to smoke and blawgin blawg and dream of the multitude achieving immanance...

and, yes, the undergrads are hot but youre an unethical scoundrel if you touch them

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Myles said...

It would make much more sense for universities to simply administer exams every summer

Nonono. I think the tutorial method, where you go in a little group of two or three and chat a couple hours every week with your "tutor", i.e. professor, is excellent. It is both gentlemanly and scholastic.

la Rana said...

The more time I spend with you Myles the more I understand pol pot.

Seeds said...

Nonono. I think the tutorial method, where you go in a little group of two or three and chat a couple hours every week with your "tutor", i.e. professor, is excellent. It is both gentlemanly and scholastic.

It's all fun and games until Bunny Corcoran gets pushed off a cliff.

Professor Coldheart said...

Why, looking for new ferns.

Anonymous said...

I dunno--I think Yggles's writing and intellectual laziness are both strong arguments in favor of more homework. But then, I am a college dropout who writes textbooks for a living, which may explain a bit of the ol' cog. diss. going on.