Now this is funny, but when Thoreau says that indiscriminate slaughter is what al Qaeda does, I am a little too closely reminded of the terrorism is civilians line trotted out when reluctant radicals seek to avail themselves of the chauvinism that insists our killing of so-called non-combatants is unintentional and therefore less morally egregious than their killing of so-called non-combatants, because dead babes in the marketplace are precisely their point, not merely a regrettable side effect. Now I just want to point out how morally dubious is this claim, not only because it takes the claims of an immense aggressive military empire at face value, but also because it is a claim made by those who both admit and understand that civilian death on a large scale is a completely and wholly foreseeable outcome of your bombing campaign in Tripoli or wherever. Oh, uh, well, we know with certainty that we will kill civilians but we do not intend to kill civilians. Yuh. Um. I will take moral casuistry for two hundred, Alex. You are basically making distinctions based on your own susceptibility to a PR campaign; you are choosing Crest and insisting that Colgate is not even toothpaste.
In any case, what you must do is escape the teleology of "combatants" and "non-combatants" and "civilians" and all that altogether. As a matter of general principle, it is necessary to adopt a fundamentally pacifistic position; to view violence as violence, killing as killing, and to simply reject it, uniformly, as the wages of evil. Now perhaps you will be called upon one day to violate those principles; Space Nazis have invaded your town; a bear in a lobster suit is raping your wife in a hot air balloon and you have just one shot with the breech-loaded muzzle that happens to be lying powdered and ready at your feet. As my friend Adam says, Hypothetical Is The New Real! It is an infinitely entertaining game, the invention of new and Byzantine circumstances in which the only solution is violence and death, but it serves no end but to justify via unreality those things which reality obliges you to condemn.
Saturday, May 14, 2011
Shoot to Still
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you can't spell pacifist without FIST. just you try me!
The Byzantine Empire, of course, lacked a principle of holy war with which to justify conflict. Those wanting to laud the violent of imperial endeavour (see: The History of the Wars, the Alexiad...) had to resort to distinctly Classical tropes, especially the Homeric.
To the Byzantines, to kill was a sin. Unlike more brutish, and less sophisticated cultural counterparts such as the Franks or the Moors, they had little in the way of cultural admiration for the warrior, and in many cases so combat as the sort of calamity that only came about when you let your diplomats become incompetent.
(Of course, they were quite happy to farm out the bloodshed to rival tribes De Administrando Officio is basically a handbook for doing exactly that...)
reality 'obliges'? Damn.
Is the Medium Lobster guest-blogging at iOZ now? Far out.
'but i'm saying this really is a distinctive sort of demented action or person, where i set out intentionally to kill people who have nothing to do with the conflict i'm in, telling myself that i am actually prosecuting that conflict.'
Look man, when we started dropping bombs on the center of the city and carrying out military sweeps in neighborhoods, we didn't mean to kill those, uh, civilians, who we can't say for sure weren't terrorists, but they were in the way of us killing the known terrorists. And it wasn't like we didn't ask them to move.
I remember when I was with Special Forces--it seems a thousand centuries ago--we went into a camp to inoculate it. The children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us, and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile--a pile of little arms. And I remember...I...I...I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out, I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it, I never want to forget. And then I realized--like I was shot...like I was shot with a diamond...a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, "My God, the genius of that, the genius, the will to do that." Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they could stand that--these were not monsters, these were men, trained cadres, these men who fought with their hearts, who have families, who have children, who are filled with love--that they had this strength, the strength to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, then our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral and at the same time were able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling, without passion, without judgment--without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us.
Those civilians shouldn't be harboring terrorists.
Those civilians were using terrorists as body shields.
this gets me thinking about a particular moral calculation that has been puzzling me lately, which is that when a "terrorist" uses "civilians" as "human shields", you are somehow morally justified in blowing up the human shields.
I'm open to the idea that outcome is more important than intent, and manslaughter is like homicide (or to make a weaker claim, the quantity of manslaughtering Uncle Sam does adds up to a multitude of deliberate al Qaeda murders). But those are long-established legal concepts and so your suggestion would require junking more than just military paradigms.
The invasion of the U.S is a fantastic hypothetical, since we are blessed by God with gigantic oceans and relatively docile neighbors. But while most people will never deliberately kill another person, defensive violations of an ethic of personal pacifism are about as normal as unusual events get. In most of those cases again, merely brandishing a weapon tends to be sufficient, but an actual shooting happens often enough for us to have an extensive body of law dealing with it.
I like how when Thoreau and Osama Bin Laden disagree about what al Qaeda's mission or core competence or purpose is, Thoreau assumes that - between the two of them - it's probably OBL who is mistaken.
' so your suggestion would require junking more than just military paradigms.'
So who gives a shit? It's either morally sound or not.
Who is this odious, arrogant affected little hipster twat, Thoreau, anyway? Gawd, what a repulsive writing voice he has. He knows what Osama thinks more than Osama knew, I guess cause his Uncle told him.
I hate these little tools. Fucking hate them. Spend all day dressing up pure, unalloyed conformist doctrine in snarky drag.
YUUUUUCK.
Oh, fuck the Byzantines, Bore. Say what you want about the concept of holy war, but their capital was a city of daggers; sports clubs prompted both rioting and repressions from the top that killed tens of thousands. Likewise, Christianity didn't take away their desire for torture; they just moved that shit to the Bulgarian border, all Guantanamesque, and did the exact same shit. Without the Greeks playing middlemen, the Turks would never have joined their own barbarity to the rich traditions of Roman cruelty.
this gets me thinking about a particular moral calculation that has been puzzling me lately, which is that when a "terrorist" uses "civilians" as "human shields", you are somehow morally justified in blowing up the human shields.
You are right of course though I have not been able to figure out what a terrorist is. I suppose you could say anyone who supports our government is a terrorist.
The invasion of the U.S is a fantastic hypothetical
1492. never forget.
and relatively docile neighbors.
the neighbours are docile because they dont want you going psycho-killer on them again so soon(aka 'don't forget panama')
Terrorist : USA : : Marxist : Marxian
Our public discourse yearns for the term "terrorian," IMHO.
almostinfamous---
Yes, never forget 1492. It's just as important to note, however, that members of the successive waves of Asiatics who crossed the land bridge were all greeted as liberators. Much later, Southern Plains and Texas Panhandle tribes doubtless reacted with similar joy to usurping but non-genocidal arrival of horseback interlopers like the Comanches. The crucial difference from a moral standpoint, of course, is that aggressive, expansionist Amerindian tribes, like non-expansionist tribes, did not have a well-weathered immune system.
See, Inkie is finally coming around and realizing that Americans are just like everyone else: blood thirsty savages.
Nutella---
I would consider general acceptance of the proposition, "Americans are just like everyone else---blood thirsty savages", here and in other mod-prog enclaves, to be an important milestone. After Equality, it wouldn't just be whining and bleeding for every other shitweasel on the the globe all the time.
I love the idea that, given our universally equal moral standings as a lemma, you still find it deplorable for caring more about the poor than about the ones who live near you. I am leaving my wife for that idea.
Sigh... you have to constantly accuse someone of being a terrorist, otherwise people will realize you were the real terrorist alllllll along.
breech-loaded muzzle
I prefer a good muzzle-loaded breech myself.
And this is why I read this blurg. I keep a Blunderbuss handy when my Matchlock is in the shop fwiw.
Leave it to a dinky to liken the awareness of manifest universal savagery with an acceptance that the savages equal the savaged. And to point the latter out to an enclave of mod-progs as monumental progress in their way of thinking is a projection of pure straw-gold.
If you switch up a few variables:
A Muslim terrorist blows up a restaurant, killing 30 civilians along with the CIA agent who was his target.
The American consensus: Don't worry, Mr. Muslim, we all make that mistake. It's hard! Just don't target civilians. Keep them peripheral.
Okay, to start with, fuck you for using a perfectly innocuous Thoreau post as the take off point for this post. But of course take it as a given that, in the context of the United State's ongoing hegemonic project, fine distinctions between targetting civilians and "collateral damage" are laughably meaningless.
But your next leap - to a position of pacisfism & denial of any meaningful distinction between civilians and combatants, does not follow. A principled position of non-intervention but war being allowable in self defense is perfectly coherent, thank you. Of course there is the potential for slippery slopes and rationalizing agressive warfare with self defense justifications.
But if we insist on drawing moral lines in ways which preclude the chance of abuse, the only morally coherent possition is voluntary self extinction of the human race. Which, hey, might not be such a bad idea after all. But failing that, in the messy real world, using violence in self defense is perfectly legitimate.
Of course, as a side note, for those of us who AREN'T pacifists, your argument has the perverse effect of actually minimizing the horrible crimes of the U.S. If there isn't a principled distinction between what the United States is doing and using violence in self defense ...
you're straight aren't you?
And thus do the intellectuals always turn reality upon it's weathered head.
Well, you know there is the chance that some people might use the principle of self defense in order to justify killing lots and lots of people, needlessly and wantonly. In fact, over the last 150 years, under the umbrella of self defense, there's been killing on a scale never before seen on this planet.
But let us put that aside for the moment because it wasn't LEGITIMATE self defense.
And comparing the actions of some of the Native American warlike tribes to what Europe did to the Americas is ridiculous.
If we don't risk bad wars we'll go extinct!
Babies with grenades----take em' out.
Rob Payne---
What's ridiculous is using the vicissitudes of germs and technology to posit a moral distinction between otherwise identical urges and actions.
Can germs experience vicissitude?
Them bitches woulda raped and killed my client if they'da had the knife and duct tape common amongst his kind.
It's not the technological advantage it's the scale of thing, with or without a bottle of scope.
Cuneyt -
Is there anything gayer than "Graeco-Roman" wrestling?
I mean - talk about buffed!
Them guys invented it.
I wonder if there was diners near their gyms back then, like the one on Sheridan Square where you could dream of licking their chops while you were licking your own until your order came.
Rob Payne---
I'm happy to concur that it'a a difference in degree, not kind. The moral distinction then wanes further when the difference in degree is a function of the spirit being willing, but the immune systems and technology being weak.
It's true that many of the Native American Indians died of Euro diseases yet that didn't stop the cavalry from gutting pregnant women with their bayonets. Some Indian tribes rightly considered Europeans to be barbarians.
If my cat kills a bird and eats it, that is one thing, but it isn't like he plotted world domination. Mr. Bebe the Cat would never consider such a thing.
It's true that many of the Native American Indians died of Euro diseases yet that didn't stop the cavalry from gutting pregnant women with their bayonets. Some Indian tribes rightly considered Europeans to be barbarians.
If my cat kills a bird and eats it, that is one thing, but it isn't like he plotted world domination. Mr. Bebe the Cat would never consider such a thing.
Sorry about the double post, I wanted to add that most conflicts between tribes were no more than raids on other villages by young warriors which was done to increase their prestige, not wage brutal genocides.
That is the Right, right there. No history but the differently enabled urges to evil of everyone, everywhere.
They were nihilists? etc.
I think I'd advocate for the invasion and occupation of the United States. why not?
I think I'd be real good at insurgency. it'd be fun!
I can't believe it took this long to be said, but, pacifism is not something to hide behind. Look at our previous situation with that camel fucker in Iraq.
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Rob Payne---
Again, is there really a difference in kind between the "brutality" of Anglo hegemons and that of migrating Sioux or Comanche? Nor were lesser-tribe organ-donations to the Aztecs exactly voluntary. "Genocide" speaks to scale, yes, but also to advertance. The vast bulk of Amerindian deaths occurred inadvertantly, because they didn't have a history with certain domesticated animals. Lord Amherst does not "genocide" make.
The Mathmos---
Yes, that is the Right---an understanding of the fixed components of human nature. It's description, not justification, though it may seem such to Idea of Progress wishful thinkers who ahistorically vilify whomever provides the most recent example of reality betraying their worldview's projections.
Inkberrow,
I understand your point and of course I agree to a certain point, how could I not? But what you are leaving out of the equation is world views. The Aztecs are hardly representative of all North American Indians and in any case do you seriously think anthropologists and archeologists have somehow managed to catch a glimpse into Aztec world views? You are judging it by western standards which likely cannot really apply. Frankly I have little faith in either branch for actually understanding what the Aztecs were all about and why. For some Indians torturing a prisoner was considered a privilege and an honor for the prisoner and it was the females of the tribe that did the torturing. Many westerners have been troubled by that. What is normal in one culture may be nothing of the sort in another. For example some Indian tribes viewed gays as magical and sacred and they treated them with great respect. Compare that to the average American white bigot of today. You can certainly try to judge Native Americans by western standards but I doubt you will gain any useful insight from doing so.
"Yes, that is the Right---an understanding of the fixed components of human nature."
Glad to see you recognize your view as such. I couldn't have described it more uncharitably myself.
Rob Payne---
I don't presume to judge Amerindians by "Western" standards. I'm rejecting judgements of Anglos by means of a nonexistent alternative.
Mathmos---
Man's inexorable inhumanity to man is the story of recorded history. Speaking of charity, progressive programs are largely the equivalent of giving drunks food coupons.
progressive programs are largely the equivalent of giving drunks food coupons.
No, it's the equivalent of giving heroin addicts methadone.
Capt'n Obvious
Certainly there is a distinction between civilians and professional military. By joining a professional military, you are effectively waiving your right not to be killed by members of other professional militaries, in much the same way that a professional football player waives his right not to be charged and flattened by other professional football players.
Terrorists are the equivalent of a spectator jumping out of the stands and charging onto the field, clotheslining players in mid-game. Obviously, such behavior is totally unacceptable.
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