I had this great line about Scott Lemieux of Lawyers, Guns, and Money--I was going to say that discovering a progressive with a military hardon is like finding out that someone keeps his VHS cuckold-fetish porn in the same sock drawer as his serial-killer paperback biography collection . . . but alas, the posts that I remembered weren't authored by Lemieux but by his longtime companion, Robert Farley. So then the insult got complicated. It's like discovering that someone's husband keeps . . . well anyway, Girl, leave him! He's a weirdo and a creeper! But what was I saying? Oh, right: there is an amusing and silly tit-for-tit between Lemieux and Glenn Greenwald regarding The Obama: here is Greenwald's most recent; here is Lemieux's. I do like Glenn, for all the ragging I've given the poor guy over the ages and epochs of the internet; I account him merely naïve, and I blame it mostly on law school, which is, if degree programs are diseases, the bovine spongiform encephalopathy of what I like to call hire ed, har har. Lemieux is just a hack of the Yglesias variety, though less prone to malapropism, which perhaps counterintuitively makes him much, much more boring; you can never count on him to utter anything yawningly distant from what he was really trying to say, and as a consequence he is rarely anything but banal. He, in any event, accuses Greenwald of insufficiently grasping the multivalent powerpolitics of the institutions of American government and of forever overreading into the secret heart of Barry O. when he ought to be concentrating on the far more significant history of off-year election representative party transfer in the 3rd congressional district of Somestate, USA, wherein the real story of everything and anything is writ. To my mind Glenn is anything but a wannabe mindreader; he is more an exhaustive cataloguer of actual utterances; I do not think he is consulting a Ouija to determine that Barry wants to ritually murder Social Security or what have you; I think he is consulting the New York Times archives.
Luckily, I am here to tell you that they are both wrong. If not immediately obvious, beneath my blithe anarchism lurks the austere heart of a Calvinist, though I consider our various predestinations the prerogative of lovely Clio rather than dour Yaweh. Guys like Lemieux project an air of intellectual sophistication by calling moralists fools and claiming that they fail to grasp the delicate interplays of power that determine the policies of nations and empires; but they are the fools, and they never follow their institutional arguments to their ultimate conclusion, which is not that the system constrains Bush or Obama, but that it produces them; that although we are accustomed to crediting Caesars with the particular character of their Rome, it was in fact Rome which made each Caesar. If you take, oh, a more Tralfamadorian view of Barack Obama, then he appears not as an actor in a play, but as a detail in a picture--everything turning away quite leisurely from the disaster.
Friday, August 19, 2011
Breughel's Icarus, For Instance
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Well, they were never wrong about suffering, the Old Masters.
although we are accustomed to crediting Caesars with the particular character of their Rome, it was in fact Rome which made each Caesar
This is lovely.
And Caesar, more than any LGM Russias expert, knew he was a product of Rome.
True dat, Jack
Just glad your back.
If you read Greenwald between 08 and 10 you would have seen him predicting the Secret Heart of Obama as noble and well-intended... many times. Not directly saying that, but by suggesting things like he's still not that bad, etc.
Lemieux? Eedjit.
And yeah, law school breeds conformity with the existing power structure and definitely encourages the shouting-down of anyone who questions it. I found myself shouted down pretty regularly during my 3 years of ancient papyrus worship.
If you read Greenwald between 08 and 10 you would have seen him predicting the Secret Heart of Obama as noble and well-intended... many times
No, you would not. You're a stupid troll, Oxtrot.
If you read Greenwald between 08 and 10 you would have seen him predicting the Secret Heart of Obama as noble and well-intended... many times
No, you would not. You're a stupid troll, Oxtrot.
Yeah you would. More so in 08, but it was there.
Chris, thanks for not ever removing your Glenn-Allegiance-Ring, or those blinders that serve the same purpose. Nothing like blind obedience to a self-appointed "legal expert" whose expertise is never there.
Bravo, Chris. Maybe Glenn will suck your cock for all your support!
*Must Resist The Urge To Comment*
Greenwald managed to squeak out a "I think maybe the Clinton's ARE dogwhistling Obama" post.
Which was crap to the 1000th power.
Amazing, since the tape of Ol Bill was easily available for anyone to watch for themselves. Still on youtube.
A link might be more convincing than just assertions, but whatever.
"Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes." (No it isn't.)
The truth is probably, as usual, somewhere in the middle. A search for Greenwald articles on Obama turns up this article with the first hit: wherein Glenn calls Obama "a central part of [the] rancid scheme" of supporting incumbents against challengers and notes he has "entrenched himself in, and is dependent upon, the power structure he says he wants to undermine."
Greenwald plays everything very deadpan: when he really gets worked up he uses sarcasm and Ironic Capitals, but nothing stronger. He's who IOZ might have been if his drug of choice had been Ritalin rather than sinsemilla. Having diagnosed the essential hypocrisy of the system, he deals with it by monomaniacally categorizing each and every contradiction, rather than lighting one up and watching the thing shudder and collapse.
He's more than a couple of Bong Rips away from posting recipes on Fridays, but I see less light between IOZ's and Greenwald's positions than many seem to.
KF Ochstradt, perhaps your time would have been better spent in ancient priapus worship.
I am willing to admit that in 2008-10 I hoped -- publicly, more than once -- that Obama would indeed end the wars and shut down the hell-spaces.
Greenwald's talk about Obama and civil rights at Socialism 2011 in Chicago was stunning. Cite another popular journalist who would be willing to say what he says in this speech, about Obama and also about the viability of the two-party system:
http://wearemany.org/v/2011/07/civil-liberties-under-obama
well, this piece of writing is very good indeed
Care to take pursue your claim that Rome produced its Caesars down a few more logical steps? I'm not seeing why this matters.
Yeah, I know who Priapus was and what priapism is, nonny.
Clever boys have arisen here, defending Wee Glennie, looking for his most recent stuff where he has a harsh word or three for Obama. Remind yourselves, clever kiddies, to look back to 08 -- which was where I said to look, wasn't it? I know that's tough given your microscopic attention span and your belief that only the here-and-now matters... but we're talking about his history, not his present stance.
I used to read Wee Glennie from 05 to 08, regularly. When he stumped for Obama in 08, I stopped, and now I only read him when someone fawns all over his supposed brilliance. At no point in the past did I ever see expertise in his writing or analysis -- what I saw was exactly what our good Monsieur IOZ has identified, a compendium of official quotes. Greenwald saved me time, because he's very thorough in his citation to authorities, like any anal-retentive 1st year angling for law review.
What Greenwald does not do well is understand jurisprudence and governmental operation. He knows only the formalities on top, what he can suss from reading his favorite official spokesmodels and pundits and whatevers.
He lacks the ability to connect dots. He makes a nice impressionist painter, though. Just don't look too closely, or you'll see it's just dots, not a real clever bit of dot-connection.
He's also quite good at convincing many that he's brilliant, which is made quite apparent from his readership, his discussion threads, his citation by others, and the defense of him in this very thread.
Good on ye, Wee Glennie fanboys. Have a glass of pinot grigio for me.
PS: I'd be kinda curious if any of Wee Glennie's fanboys can cite to one of his essays where he's publicly admitted his errors in stumping for more, better Democrats from 05 to 08, and in rallying the troops for Obama in 08, and in focusing almost exclusively on Evil Rethuglicans from the start of Unclaimed Territory to the point at which Salon started using him as a preferrred pundit.
The link I posted was from 2008.
I don't really think Greenwald is "brilliant," and he's not my type, lacking a vagina and all. He does a fairly good job of chronicling the steady erosion of civil liberties and critiquing the media's complicity in that. That's all.
One of Greenwald's chief tropes is that what Bush "believes" or Obama "believes" is irrelevant, that you have to look at what they do. So if you can point to something he actually wrote that contradicts that, it'd be interesting.
Karl,
This doesn't address your other charges and it's not an essay, nor is it exactly an *ahem* full-throated mea culpa, but here's Glenn's words from his talk at the Socialism 2011 conference in July linked to earlier. This is in response to a question about his political orientation [starting at about 50:30]:
"But the one thing I will say is that my views have changed pretty dramatically just in the five or six years that I began writing about politics on that question and many others.
[mocks mainstream media for a bit]
And one of the things I've really changed my mind about is the benefits of trying to work within the standard political system, or the two-party political system to bring about reform.
[talks about national security state and military-industrial complex co-opting both factions]
And so the idea of trying to work even to reform the Democratic party by electing better Democrats or more progressive Democrats or whatever, something that I thought was a viable course of action even as recently as a few years ago is something that I've completely rejected. And I think the only means of true political change will come from people working outside of that system to undermine and subvert it and weaken it and destroy it and not try to work within it to change it."
"A nation is a detour of nature to arrive at six or seven great men.--Yes, and then to get around them."
PDA, you are cherry-picking. He urged voting for Obama in the runup to 2008's elections.
ergo, I was wondering when he'd get around to actually writing it publicly... but that's a start.
meanwhile, here he directed people's attention backward at Bush-Cheney while the same problems persist under Obama-Biden:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28459.htm
and here he shows his naivete about how government works, by pretending at policy wonkery of a process-maven sort, spending words and time on total irrelevancies:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/24/brooks/index.html
Those are just within the last 3 months. I'm not going to chronicle more for his fanboys. What I'd like to see is him admitting publicly in his essays that he screwed up royally, and that he empathizes with his readers who also screwed up because they followed his supposed wisdom(s).
I'd like to see him eat some humble pie, publicly.
Will he?
Who knows.
A puzzled person may ask why I seem to obsess over this. It's because he has such a huge readership with frequent citation by others. I realize in the modern era (and probably always before in US history) most people simply choose a favorite pundit and adopt that person's views as his/her own. When someone gets on a fast apogee trajectory as Wee Glennie has done, I think the person has an obligation to not mislead his fans and his regular readers.
There's also a little bit about him exchanging views with me back at UT where he showed some immense naivete and even made absurd arguments about Hugo Chavez, using his partner's say-so as "evidence" underpinning the allegations about Chavez. I'd expect such things from a gossip columnist or from Randy Andy Sullivan or Chris Hitchens or some other souse, but not from a supposed "expert" on federal matters.
Yeah, I think he can be naive too--his focus on the rule of law gets a bit ridiculous (though that's true of the constitutionalists as well). In the above clip, he does sort of admit how he basically didn't know jack shit about the world prior to 2005 because all he read was the New York Times, the Atlantic, and the New Yorker with some degree of skepticism, but not nearly enough.
As far as the Bush-Cheney torture stuff, your point is true, but I don't necessarily have a problem with putting things in a historical context, especially when it is to demonstrate continuity between administrations of different so-called political parties. That said, his history is a little on the Starts-In-2001 variety, which is absurd and too often a partisan tool. I might be a little defensive about him because his trajectory from reflexive Donk tribalist to something closer to a system critic is pretty similar to my own.
Anonymous @ 3:37,
It addresses the confusion of cause and effect.
In our own context, it would be like arguing that Whitman and Thoreau created their contemporary America, instead of being byproducts of (and reactions to) it.
I think rather than ridicule Glenn Greenwald, why not see those who haven't been so clueless as potential confederates when the system inevitably collapses?We're going to need to cooperate to survive.
Tralfamadorian
Triple word score!
But aren't we all products of Rome? As a wise man once said, Neo is only there to balance out Smith.
I lost faith in Glennzilla when some German citizen wanted to try Rumsfeld for his countless war crimes and he was all like, "NO Germany doesn't have jurisdiction" and I was like yo the mass murderer will never see justice here let's pursue justice wherever it can be pursued. Fuck him
I thought Yglesias' problem was that what he writes doesn't ever mean anything?
LGM is a pretty terrible blog. Its always either something achingly banal, or downright aggravating like this Green Lantern horseshit. Personally, I think they are all in it for the Wiki.
Was reading trollblog
Found this:
"...Liberals don’t act like conservatives and while we might certainly engage in our share of group-think, the standards of evidence are much higher on our side."
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2011/08/moveons-decline
In summary: ladies and gentlemen, you see the defendant, Mr. Greenwald, before you. In spite of certain deplorable tendencies- naivete, inconsistency, law-idolatry and even Donkophilia- he has done, you may agree, some good work and bids fair to do better. He has gained a wide readership and has had, one may argue, an influence more beneficent than otherwise.
Well, then: I must admit, this is more than I have ever done; and more, I dare say, than most of you have done. A little less purple, I beseech you; it just isn't your color.
This is the court of public opinion, ladies and gentlemen: not a synod of bishops, a council of inquisitors or a big-tent revivalist meeting. You would condemn the defendant for heresies? In whose name?
Ah, but you say, there are sadly impressionable readers, some tender and guileless souls among Greenwald's flock. Little do they know of the erroneous tenets, the hazardous presumptions, the dubious judgments- yea, and some unconfessed sins as well!- that lie in wait within his discourse.
And here you show, I hasten to point out, the very weakness of the censorious mind: you do not trust the reader.
Do the defendant's readers swallow his works in one gulp, not stopping to taste, like complacent gourmands? If so, why would you bother yourselves to fret on their behalf? They are evidently so plainly senseless, so unpromisingly lumpen, that I wonder what more you would demand for their sakes. But if they are not so credulous- if they might actually have thoughts, convictions and knowledge of their own- then why can you not trust them to weigh the good and the bad? Because they don't know which is which, you will say? If they do not, then this Greenwald, were he ten times the better, could not sift any wheat from their chaff.
I came late amongst you, thinking myself, in my conceit, a very leftist; but lo, I tremble to find myself a mere wretched skeptic in comparison. Republican, Democrat, conservative, moderate, liberal: they have not tempted me. I have come into this desert of the left, parched and weary; is your oasis of free thought a mirage? You would stone this man, Glenn Greenwald, as a sinner?
Pharisees of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your friends. And do not ask for whom the noose hangs: it hangs for us all.
i coulda sworn it was caturday from the anti-greenwald ceiling cats Who Came In From The Cold. but it taint, so let me ask again, are you guys cereal?
the guy who lives and writes about how his own country hates the fuck outta him and his gay love; who was pretty much the one responsible for the movement of bradley manning outta mini guantanamo; one of the most vocal POPULAR voices of vehement, strident anti-obamaism (he's no surrealist blogger.com guy, for sure); and a super, super anticapialist in the sense of his wonky, capital L Liberal capability for seeing the ability of capital to produce its own preconditions, and you fucking anonymouse guys choose HIM to include in the ranks of scott lemews, and neoliberal puppet-dicks yglesias and izzy klein?
no doubt, this blog is a fucking awesome place to get a breath of air aside from the feelgoodery of Liberal Left politics in the us and its breathtaking ignorance of its breeding ground for nasty infections of capital, but glenn fucking greenwald? the man, my friends, is a hero - if yes, a lawyer implicit in the epistemological stance of justice (we've all seen that focault-chomsky debate, kthanxbai!) - and it saddens me to see some of my favorite commenters jump on him. not to be all big tent on your dicks and vaginas, but again: are yall cereal??
But Professor, we tested him on the Pecksniffian Hate-All Rebarbatively Internecine Solipsistic Epistemological Exegesis Scale (PHARISEES), and we got a way higher score than he did. He actually flunked! So we're better than he is. Q.E.D.
(It's really a foolproof test, you know. We designed it ourselves and everything.)
Tony, your tony frilly blouse rhetoric, mauve if not purple, persuades the stiff little fingered takers of afternoon tea with buttery biscuits.
Brah-voe! I say, pip-pip!
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