Monday, November 21, 2011

From Each According to His Nobility, to Each According to His Greed

While I agree with the Prof that the so-called two-party system must be destroyed, I think we must beware the idea that multiparty democracy offers some kind of improvement; I mean, that is really the social democracy fallacy, isn't it?  Oh, if only they had to assemble coalitions to rule, etc. etc.  But the problem with a bipartisan oligarchy is contained within the second word of the term, not the first; a gaggle of nobles can fuck things up just as easily as a single king, and if you don't believe me, just ask this Sforza/Medici/Borgia/Rovere/Orsini over here.  All you need to know about democracy: Congress' public approval rating hovers around negative infinity, and it doesn't matter a bit.  The oligarchic interests in the US have for a hundred years organized themselves into two superficially opposed, effectively cooperative factions; well you could find periods in English history or Roman history or whatever where the same more or less obtained.  The house is not its window treatments.  It is true that people like the few relative outsiders who penetrate the system (although it's hard to make the straight case that Harvard Yard Warren is in any meaningful sense an outsider) can't really do anything in it, except, you know, benefit from its endless supply of personal power and sweet swag and money money money money. 

49 comments:

Unknown said...

It's a compelling vision. And you make an eloquent case. But if both parties are fundamentally the same,why is so much money spent electing one over the other?

I would pay $5 for your thoughts on this matter. (this isn't meant to be insulting, and you should think about how to monetize this shit.)

Paul said...

"Interests in the US have for a hundred years"---and what about before that? I've never known you to confess there was EVER a time when anything in the US was even a LITTLE BIT better. Quiter the opposite. Unless I've misunderstood you, your overarching thesis is that American government has always been every bit as bad as it is in 2011, indeed was designed to be exactly this bad, fuck that nitwit Amy Goodman for ever holding it to a higher standard, etc.

There is no decline in working class share of GDP, I guess, because the working class never had it better than they do now, because the Founding Fathers set up the whole thing to screw them. There has been no decline in Labor's representation in politics, because we've had pure oligarchy for 100 years and Labor was never represented in politics. Roads were always crumbling; public schools always sucked. There are no jobs because the jobs there once were were meaningless anyway. America is moving industry to Eastasia: America has always moved industry to Eastasia.

Not that you've stated any of this so plainly. You prefer instead to harp on the stupidity and naivety and blundering un-savviness of anyone who'd deny it either explicitly or implicitly. And I don't quite see why you do that. Are you just cheerleading for anarchy?

Happy Jack said...

superficially opposed

Lilly Ledbetter!

IOZ said...

Before that we had different party arrangements. Some white workers had it better, some nigra had it worse. Some dudes were served well by the Revolution, some ladies were not, um, remembered. Philadelphia merchants were freed from British oppression; in Western PA, the Whiskey Rebellion was suppressed.

Your thinking about this case has become extremely narrow.

Mr.Fundamental said...

plus ça change, motherfuckers.

IOZ worships the Time Being, and believes in Clio, THE MUSE OF HISTORY.

I say, what difference does the facepaint Mammon is wearing make?

patrick said...

'must be destroyed'? are you suggesting something must be done? not your usual jam.

davidly said...

But if both parties are fundamentally the same, why is so much money spent electing one over the other?

Question with a question: why do so many donate to both parties?

You can send me cash. Thanks.

IOZ said...

Let's buy some blow, in the words of Paul Atreides.

Anonymous said...

"Your thinking about this case has become extremely narrow," said pot to kettle.

NutellaonToast said...

Paul, IOZ won't state it plainly so I will. You're hung up of the details. IOZ's argument is that these are only the current manifestations of an ever-present trope. The rich have the power and use it to their advantage and don't care what the consequences are. Times change so their tactics change, but it's all the same game.

The real flaw, if there is one, is that IOZ's argument cherry picks. You point to any time and enumerate the problems and BAM, everything sucks. But to actually say things are getting better or getting worse, you have to add up the good and the bad with strict mathematical precision and see what direction the trend line of happiness points and... wait, what? How the fuck do we do that?

Blacks aren't slaves but now Southeast-Asians are. Women can vote, but hey, maybe voting isn't so hot? The new iPods are awesome but fuck if that Steve Jobs isn't a sanctimonious shit!

And that's the problem with this here proprietor. He calls bullshit like a pro, no doubt, and he's smarter than your average bear, but in the end his prescriptions just pander to his own predispositions, same as everyone else. Still, my predispositions lend me towards him cause I like smart, anti-authoritarians so there we go. Gimme enough words and time, Paul, and I can point you towards yours!

So, yea, fuck it, dude. Let's go bowling.

Sorry said...

Yeah, fuck all tomorrow's parties, too. & if you want to fight the future, don't overspice the duck.

NutellaonToast said...

Sorry, war never changes.

Anonymous said...

Aren't employees all slaves? I don't mean to be facetious, but saying the bleks are free but Southeast Asians somehow aren't raises questions about what "free" means. Free to pay every penny you "earn" plus some to maintain a comfortable (in terms of iPads) if completely deadening existence in which you are permanently underwater on your idiotic house, and a few paychecks away from being on the street?

Anonymous said...

re: "fuck it dude, let's go bowling."

or change your investment strategy. whatever, up to you.

davidly said...

By all means, overspice.

Paul said...

"He calls bullshit like a pro, no doubt, and he's smarter than your average bear, but in the end his prescriptions just pander to his own predispositions, same as everyone else. Still, my predispositions lend me towards him cause I like smart, anti-authoritarians so there we go."

Yes, I suppose that, since all I do on his comments is complain, I should mention that I think IOZ has more brains than anyone on the Net, most definitely including myself ... And I suppose this is why I'm bothered by his, whatever, frivolities? inconsistencies? less-than-laserlike accuracies?

OK, IOZ: you're right of course that the deal wasn't so good for minorities and women. Come on though, the Keynesian era was getting to that too, as it had never yet been gotten to ... Say what you will; and maybe I'll try to make the case sometime by compiling facts (but probably not), but it's not an unintelligible approach to try to undo the Friedmanite reforms of the 70s, & to look to the mid-20th Century for some sense of direction and something approximating institutional models ... There were very definite policies that were undone; we didn't simply wake up to today's shit. And you seem to be trying to debunk policy solutions merely by making fun of those who seek them, not by honest argument.

Anonymous said...

destroy everything...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_anFbWwVQ

IOZ said...

Frivolities, surely.

NutellaonToast said...

Nony, you can quibble over the examples, sure, but the point is that life has changed a shit ton for everyone since forever. To point to one era or another and to say which is better or which is worse requires a kind of accounting I've never seen described. So maybe we've all always been slaves. Fine. Replace that example with vaccination or dietary improvements or whatnot. Then we can quibble over autism and preservatives. Whatever.

Haas Pikel-Pecker III said...

But if both parties are fundamentally the same,why is so much money spent electing one over the other?

Because window treatments aren't free, and one man's translucent privacy sheers is another man's off-white venetian blinds?

Paul said...

"...Then we can quibble over autism and preservatives. Whatever."

The question "What do we do?" or at least "What attitude do we take?" underlies every political discussion, however unacknowledged, and the tacit answer this blog gives is "We sit back like wise guys and watch society collapse while eating popcorn."

And it doesn't seem like it was always this way. IOZ's posts nowadays sound like Christian Slater in Heathers, but if you go back a few years he sounded like Winona Ryder. He used to sound like "I want this to be a nice place"; now he's all "Blow the fucker up!"

And yeah, IOZ, frivolities indeed. The best lack all conviction these days.

mark r. said...

What would George Bailey do?

NutellaonToast said...

Yea, Paul, you might be right. IOZ doesn't like to state things plainly, but what I have gleaned is that he feels that there is nothing that you can do, and maybe even that somehow being a wise-ass is the most productive way to immanentize the eschaton. It's hard to tell. I dunno.

Whatever it is, I've stopped being bothered by it as much because of my own change in views. I pretty much feel that all of these horrible behaviors cataloged here are inescapable. This is how humans behave. We can extirpate abuses of power no more than we can make giraffes with short necks. Then they wouldn't be giraffes!

So to me the most ridiculous thing he suggests is that there is some brighter alternative, even if he admits he sees no way to bring it about. Why anarchy would destroy man's inhumanity to man escapes me. Inhumanity is as an essential part of humanity as a fucking appendix.

Well, no, that's the second most ridiculous thing. The first is, of course, his ridiculously arrogant manner. But that is also entertaining at times, so...

NutellaonToast said...

As to the change in tone, I find my perceptions of him have changed more because of my own POV than because of any true change of course on his part. I dunno, maybe he has taken a different tack of sorts, but I haven't noticed the change in optimism to pessimism you mention.

NutellaonToast said...

Sorry, I'm trying to distract myself from real productivity and am prolly talking too much as a result.

The Mathmos said...

I never got the feeling that IOZ was into political possibilities. He strikes me more as the Ancient Greece type, going on about cosmological finitude and collective despair while highlighting the personal joys in discussion and good taste. A dandy in Baudelaire's sense of the word.

Inkberrow said...

What's been the change, exactly? It's always been a latter-day version of the Wilde/Beardsley sensibility: the well-informed but eternally put-upon aesthete, the sophisticated hedonist, the elevation of observation, surfaces, style and appearance over rhetoric, normative content, testimonials, and authentic interiority. The importance of not being earnest, if you will. And one of the most enjoyable reads on the internet.

What is most tiresome, most galling, and hence most noteworthy, is whatever that's most on people's minds and strongest in their hearts. Displays of bad form and bad taste inspire corresponding---if not co-dependent---rebukes as if from the very Spheres, which nonetheless and tellingly require superior facility with and humane insight into the substantive matters at issue. He is in the end one of us, just more refined and, yes, intensely private.

Paul said...

"What's been the change, exactly? It's always been a latter-day version of the Wilde/Beardsley sensibility ... The importance of not being earnest, if you will."

That's a fair description of our host today. However, in my opinion it doesn't fit the writer of, e.g., this: http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2006/08/ioz-is-pedophile.html

NutellaonToast said...

"He is in the end one of us, just more refined and, yes, intensely private."

I have often wondered about that, the guardedness in contradiction to the posting of shit on the internet. It occurs to me now that this might be a little sad. Poor ozzie. We're here for you, bud. Just let us in.

Anonymous said...

"Women can vote, but hey, maybe voting isn't so hot?"

Voting makes ya free. The vote is the end to all means. The vote. The vote?! Lard love a duck, have you got some dimwitted commenters, IOZ. You're talking 'bout ridding us of the state, dude is talking about means why which it is propagated. Silly silly duckie.

Anonymous said...

LOL heartily to all the white boys with their ever-generous token acknowledgment of the strange and churlish minorities/women POV. Together they don't make up the majority of yer little country, the majority of the world, of course.

NutellaonToast said...

Try re-reading, nony. Maybe this time you'll see what I was doing (hint: it's not endorsing voting!)

Anonymous said...

NoT,

While man's rottent cuntiness is a given, anarchy allows some leeway in searching 4 and achieving some sort of tolerable tradeoff between discomfort and the exact type and intensity of rotten cuntiness one faces.

Now even in modern states a biological limit on cuntiness is achieved. Unfortunately, by the time the lesson is learned/internalized by the state apparatus, 1-20% of that states' subjects lay dead. For USA that learning time lays ahead.

Capt'n Ovbious

Anonymous said...

Nutella, throwing black folks / ladies a proverbial bone in the form of "slavery's over" and "at least you got the vote" is a pointless nonsequitur then. I guess we're in agreement after all. Now that we've established the vote the vote the precious vote is a red herring, care to explain about the many freedoms non-white non-male folks are enjoying and what exactly you have to dispute with IOZ's reckoning of the subject?

NutellaonToast said...

Sounds a lot like Freedom(TM) to me. We don't get to choose shit, man. Ever. If you're born in an anarchy, there will still be someone over you to tell you what to do, some greater society influencing your thinking, some geographical boundary limiting your movement. Some physiological aspect of you strictly determining what your free will chooses. We are social beings which means that we tell each other what to do. That's it. Ain't no other way.

NutellaonToast said...

I'm sorry you're so angry, nony. Take a deep breath and try again.

marcus said...

If you consider the advertising budgets of a single major corporation such McD's, Coke etc., the advertising budget for politics is hardly as massive as it seems. (Though of course the media grants endless free advertising to the "two parties" between commercials.)

It actually shows how little the overlords think of the peasantry that they spend so little to maintain the duopoly - and even that is mostly every other year, especially every four years.

Or from another angle, if you consider how similar coke/pepsi, burgerking/mcd's are, and how much they compete with each other, why should dems/repubs need a disparity to bicker? I imagine there are many who have stock of both coke and pepsi in their portfolios.

marcus said...

I think IOZ's aggressive dandyisms are a form of modesty, i.e. he doesn't want to represent himself as a hardened and implacable Anarchist, a tempting opportunity with the anonymity of the internet. Which makes it so laughable when someone calls him out for it, ridicules him even, as if he doesn't know what he is portraying himself as, as if you just noticed a tuxedo tail peaking from behind his ass-length dredlocks.

Montag said...

same shit different day. it it what it is. THESE RICH FUCKS, THIS WHOLE FUCKING THING.

"We sit back like wise guys and watch society collapse while eating popcorn."

the theme i've sense here is more of a bemused, "society is absurd lol."

anarchy ain't a goal. or, it's a futile goal to have, 'cause whattayagunnado, force people to become anarchists? anarchism as a point of view, as a lens to look through at things as they are, provides fantastic fodder for the harpists wanting to riff on stupidity, naivety and blundering un-savviness.

but i don't think IOZ was being overly charitable when he once said, i paraphrase, "America isn't evil, it's heedless."

Montag said...

*America, the human mob that comprises 'The Public,' rather than America the institution.

Enron said...

"Blacks aren't slaves but now Southeast-Asians are. Women can vote, but hey, maybe voting isn't so hot? The new iPods are awesome but fuck if that Steve Jobs isn't a sanctimonious shit!"

It's a complicated cause, Maude-a lot of in's and out's

NutellaonToast said...

I like what you wrote, Montag, but I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that you unsavily misused "bemused." Feel free to point out that unsavily might not be an actual word.

Perhaps you're right, and I'm confusing prescriptions with world views, but I can't help but get a sense of "if only it were thus" from IOZ's writings. And I just refuse to accept anymore that there is some other "thus."

Montag said...

you must went to colledge, NoT.
fuckin semantics. ;-)

yes, i myself am "perplexed by many conflicting situations or statements" on a regular basis, when "absorbed in thought" about human politics and polemics. bemused. but this is my own takeaway, not as i said before, a theme implied in the general tone of this blog.

the question of whether this is a savvy admission to make in this forum at all is also very valid.

NutellaonToast said...

I been to so many colleges. Oy, so many.

Bemused and nonplussed seem to be the favored big words of misuse these days, and for some reason I am tickled by the fact that their true, unknown meanings are almost identical.

Montag said...

oh your such a pedant. what does it really mean then?

NutellaonToast said...

you were right the second time. Both it and nonplussed mean confused. What, your google is broken?

or maybe I'm fucking up here? I thought you were using it in the typical, incorrect fashion of "contemptuously amused" and then were just joking in your explanation. fuck, it's getting late. I'm bemused.

Montag said...

i thought you were implying there was some arcane definition that thefreedictionary wouldn't turn up. (fuck google!)

in the first, i was arguing against a mere contemptuous amusement. i'm down in the dirt, after all, not above it. what does BDR call it? my complicity.

it's more like aggravation to the point where it seems healthier to try and make light of, than to dwell in the bemusement.

stephanie g said...

I think everyone needs to relax. Quality of life and levels of violence have been improving for a very long time and will most likely continue to improve into the future, barring the long awaited energy crisis that is always a decade away. But maybe I'm just engaging in historical LOTEism.

NutellaonToast said...

I'm calmer than you are.