I have noticed a distinctive tut-tutting beat emanating from the lofty lefty backline--beware the black bloc, whatever that is. The formulation is telling:
By renouncing violence against persons or property, Occupy would enhance its appeal to the disabled and people of color, who have good reason to stay away from volatile confrontations. By isolating those who seize the spotlight by smashing things, it can prevent them from trampling the ethos of a brilliantly leaderless movement.Did you notice that neat pirouette from persons to property, from volatile confrontations (oh my!) to the smashing of mere things. Lemme axe you: how does a movement with an ethos of occupation not enact violence against property?
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did you hear that axe now sells anarchy?
"Lemme axe you: how does a movement with an ethos of occupation not enact violence against property?"
That's a very slippery slope you're on, M'sieur, unless you don't mind if you wind up ultimately being confused with Catherine McKinnon.
The male hetero urge is to "occupy" a certain space as often as possible.
Does that mean violence against property, the property of the indivdual whose space is being occupied?
Catherine would like us to think so ...
Come to think of it, I guess the same question could be asked regarding the favorite activity of gay self-proclaimed tops such as yourself ...
Maybe Pinker should be consulted for the definition of violence.
I hereby pledge to renounce violence against people and property, of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands one nation under goD blah, blah, blah. Now if only they weren’t dirty hippies then “nice” people would join in.
I suppose I get why the disabled would avoid physical violence, generally speaking (depending on the disability, obviously). People of color are like the disabled...how?
cuz they're different than "us" lol
Eerily, could you be any more of a fucking retarded old coot if you tried?
"If we're not careful with our media branding, voters may shy away from the Occupy candidate."
"beware the black bloc, whatever that is"
Agents provocateurs. HTH.
glad it got to ya, nonny@1255
No one likes logic when it's sprung on them ...
If they're only asking us to renounce violence, I could manage that. I might even de-nounce it if given a mic.
Catherine MacKinnon...?
??
One should ask oneself where in the history of political conflicts was non-violence fundamentalism ever conducive to practical short/mid/long-term political results. (one should ask this rhetorically.)
One should also wonder where in recent history is this non-violence fundamentalism first re-introduced in leftish garbs, then as mass-media commandment for legitimacy.
Yes nonny @ 124 - thanks for the emend ... I may not be retarded but I am an old coot whose memory suffers inexplicable lapses ...
Jeff in Texas:
People of color are like the disabled...how?
Not necessarily endorsing it, but I believe the idea would be that a violent/volatile protest appeals less to people of color because of their more...fraught...relationship with the cops. When white kids attend a rowdy demonstration they may get arrested, maybe pepper sprayed. Black kids may get their asses beat, maybe shot.
One should ask how a few masked fucks breaking windows is going to change anything. One should ask if there's a difference between the violence of an enraged population and the violence of a few teenagers who lament having missed out on punk's heyday. One should wonder if these masked assholes should be considered objectively on the side of the cops, since they give the cops cover for even greater violence and repression.
One should ask how any protest is going to change anything. One should wonder if the goal is to not give the cops an excuse for violence whether we should all just shut up and stay home.
they give the cops cover for even greater violence and repression.
This is a cute theory, but if a cop wants to arrest you, he'll arrest you. If you read Radley Balko, he has a link this morning from an incident over the weekend in my hometown, where cops who can no longer arrest people for videotaping them will now threaten to arrest them for "loitering" with a camera in hand.
The law exists to provide such rationalizations. Here's a disagreeable section of the population. Let's write a law saying what they do is wrong. Then let's just wait.
Oh sweet Jesus these people are annoying. The day the crowd withdraws their consent to fictive authority and hits back, and hits back hard is the day this shit starts. Up until then its all crank wanking.
Ps. They dont give the cops an excuse to do anything. The cops dont need an excuse, the cops never did. They will do what they will until that time that there is a personal and institutional risk to them. Please cease this line of reasoning it is hackneyed and inaccurate.
And to field the inevitable follow-up, "If law is just a fig leaf for the whims of the powerful, why do the powerful even write laws?", the answer: so you'll ask that question. So that a powerful minority can get the buy-in of an indifferent majority in their crackdowns on a powerless minority. "Ohhhhh, sure, I sympathize with folks who've lost their jobs, but that's private land they're squatting on. Can't do that without a permit!"
Law emerges from crisis because law is a response to crisis. It's the shoggoth emerging from its Antarctic prison, encountering a sharp obstacle, and forming a new pseudopod to consume it.
Oh God. "She shouldn't have dressed so provocatively!"
other anon, breaking windows sure does change things ... a formerly non-broken window is now broken. you'd have to be a cop or an asshole to ask why people want to break fucking windows.
Don't mind EL, he just wants to keep fantasizing about sticking his cock in places where it isn't wanted, and then claiming some kind of anarchist credentials on accounta rape being mythological or episstatamological or myxomatosis or asbestos whatever.
IOZ's on quite the clueless streak today. The point isn't that the window-breaking fucks have it coming. It's that the window-breaking fucks make the majority of the population think they--and the rest of the group--have it coming.
Police put black bloc provocateurs in peaceful crowds because the police get that. You know who doesn't? Armchair anarchists who wouldn't dream of throwing a rock themselves and risking a beatdown or jail time. Happy to pay lip service though, just like Iraq chickenhawks.
I think there's a fair point somewhere in the original there. Asshole adventurism is what you get in needless acts of damage. And yeah, it's mostly a young, mostly white, mostly male disease. Maybe mostly middle class, too, I'd say.
But renouncing violence isn't the same as renouncing damage, and rights of property, like free speech areas and proper use of public spaces... these are abstracts. I will never die for someone's TV. Free assembly, let alone a life? Maybe so.
Yes, because North American cops being outfitted with sound guns and body armors and taser walls and gas bombs and heat rays and robot drones and denying dutifully non-violent protesters food, medicine and basic services, to say nothing of things like "rights" and a day in court -- all of this is just in measured response to an uptick in violence by adventurist middle-class dunces.
One should ask oneself where in the history of political conflicts was non-violence fundamentalism ever conducive to practical short/mid/long-term political results.
Well, the primary practical result I demand from politics is that I don't get shot, so in that sense, the success rate of non-violence fundamentalism is 100%.
Anyway, I'm somewhat fascinated by these people who say, "The beauty of Occupy is that it is a leaderless movement that is open to all comers. To protect that, we need to set down some immutable rules and start kicking people out."
Not sure I buy the "violence gives them an excuse" thing, because clearly, to the police, all protests are inherently violent. If you'll recall, that UC Davis macing incident happened because the officer was completely surrounded by angry protestors, had no way out, and was legitimately fearful that the mob could turn on him at any moment.
The really funny thing here is how quick these liberal reporters are to vilify anyone in the US occupy movement ready for some smashy-smash (see: Gitlin, Hedges), yet then these same reporters turn around and celebrate many forms of popular resistance in Greece, Egypt, Syria, etc. which just so happens to take the form of not just property destruction, but hurling flaming projectiles at the pigs. Attempts at recuperation or mindless hypocrisy?
I got a letter the other day from the government / I opened it and read it / it said they were suckers.
It is true that I did not advise the Iraqis to renounce violence or worry too much about damaging property.
I think the Occupy movement should stick to drone strikes and embargoes instead of outright occupation.
Oh, and nonies, stop talking to EL. He is either incapable of shame or else enjoys it.
The Nation makes Martin Luther King look like Malcom X
@Happy Jack, haha. Pinker's theories suggest he would say that this is the least violent protest in history, therefore the occupiers are a sweeping bastion of goodness; however, this one has the feeling he would instead say that the occupiers are holdovers to a barbaric past.
To the original post, the subtle co-option of the moment is an essential part of drawing it down to uselessness. Once many the occupiers can congratulate themselves on having made the mature choice to go home, they'll be led to believe they've achieved something, and be ready to buy Buicks and start tsking at young upstarts who don't properly respect authority the next time the cycle sweeps 'round.
Also, can we please have a private cage match thread between Nutella and EL? This would be the violent equivalent of saying "Eww, get a room, guys." Or better yet, the double entendre of the same name, in which they finally exchange passions and come to an understanding.
A cage match, High Arka?
Who would watch?
It would be like Knute Rockne against Neut Knock-kneed.
But ... if you can find someone to dress up like Tina Turner in "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome", I suppose I might consider it.
Pfft, fuck that, I usually ignore the guy. I'm just trying to encourage others to do the same so maybe he goes away.
We don't want a one-party system here, or even a two, do we? Let's work all this fun business out. Snarky back-and-forth vaguely related to the topic at hand is cool, and the purpose of the internets, but dismissing someone out of hand rather than addressing the specific points being made is the method of the devil. Or the MSM, if you prefer, for modern times.
@Jeff of Texas:
In addition to what Anonymous 2:09 said, the idea is that minorities, having been targeted for prosecution and imprisonment, are more likely to be on parole or probation. This could make them more wary of taking part in a demonstration where violence seems likely to happen: it could be used as a pretext for sending them back to jail.
That's the theory, at any rate. If you took this notion to a logical conclusion, however, it would mean minority individuals hesitating to get involved in any demonstration at all, not even one organized by pacifist principles. For one thing, no one can ever guarantee that all demonstrators will remain non-violent. More importantly, all it takes is for the cops to get violent and the demonstrators will be blamed for it.
And my comment, for what it's worth, on the topic in general:
How many of the memorable revolts of the past would have happened if the participants were so concerned about policing themselves? We're used to thinking of cameras, of recorders, of videotape being greatly to our advantage: as documentation, evidence, instruction, mobilization and so on. But it also means we're constantly being judged by perfectionist standards. Everyone must be on his or her best behavior all of the time. No one should look or sound obsessive, intimidating, unhinged: they'll only end up being gawked at, again and again, on Fox News. No one should be so forgetful as talk like an ideologue or an insurrectionist: it might show up on YouTube and garner a million blathering posts.
Well, and what if it does? If we should ever have an uprising in this stagnant society, it's going to be like hell upon hell. It will rarely be photogenic. It probably won't be set to ennobling music. It won't unfold lucidly like the plot of a big-budget movie. It will include damaged and damaging people. Absurd, grotesque, idiotic things will be said, planned and done. Infiltration and betrayal will become almost commonplace. Well, yes. What else would we have expected?
By all means, strategize and debate on what's best to be said and what's best to be done. Try not to act like a jerk when you can possibly manage it. But if, along the way, there are battered-down doors and upturned cars; if there are individual tragedies and multiple farces; if one-third of society is incensed against another third, with the remaining third not knowing what to think; well, then, how avoidable would most of this be?
It's not as if I'm looking forward to the horrors; but things are already intolerable now, wouldn't we argue? I'd like to think the day might come when we would say: oh, yeah, the Black Bloc - many people were put off by them, while others approved; but it no longer seems so important in the long run. It was merely the beginning. Maybe it wasn't what we ourselves would have chosen; but maybe that's just why something finally happened.
It's not like I'm some orator or historian. I'm only a welfare caseworker, as tired and futile as you might believe. I'm not living by some grand vision: it's more like applying band-aids which begin to fall off no sooner than applied. But I'd like to think, at least, that I'm made of stronger stuff than to say: they're breaking bank windows, things are starting to get out of hand.
It's tempting to think that change should be presented so clearly and so sensibly that the unconvinced majority will be brought around by its example. If that's what we hope, we needn't bother. It's as if we can't bear to be misunderstood, not even for a moment.
Read again, Mathmos. Nowhere did I say that needless smashing necessitates or justifies the extent of the police state. I dismissed on its own feeble merits. Of course there is no standing justification for our current security structure.
Curious how easily one gets thrown to the other side in criticism.
"Needless smashing" is a judgmental phrase. How about "needed smashing"?
Occupy my cock.
Hey, Greenwald threw IOZ a link! Cue Oxtrot and his usual teeth-gnashing and mouth-foaming.
To be fair, Chris Hedges is a journalist
Well, the primary practical result I demand from politics is that I don't get shot, so in that sense, the success rate of non-violence fundamentalism is 100%.
The primary practical result that I demand from reading inane and self-impressed comments at House of IOZ is that they don't mess with the pomade in my pompadour, so in that sense, the success rate of reading smug and self-impressed (but very boring) comments such as quoted above is 101%.
Right on cue.
Greenwald threw IOZ a link! Cue Oxtrot and his usual teeth-gnashing and mouth-foaming.
Cue Nonny's priapic glee! A notable gay journalist linked to IOZ! Whee, Nonny's cumming in spurts!
Oh, be nice. Waldo probably knows deep down he's a shill, and is just riding the line in order to avoid going back to filling in pleadings he knows are going to go nowhere.
Granted, his "compromising" abuse of platform will consign him to a slightly lower rung of hell than the rest of us, but ya gotta feed the monster.
...also, it's very hipster of him to occasionally "link" to something more true than he is. Fight the power!
I hope I live long enough to see M'sieur have to deal with the problems posed by co-optation.
What if others link to him?
What if he becomes well-known?
Will he be true to Groucho's principle (not wanting to belong to any club that would have him)?
Or will he wussy-up to the "15 minutes" table and bask in the momentary limelight?
Do ya ever settle down at nite and question yinz aggressively top masculine showboating, Oxy-poo? Must tire you out trying to hold that closet door closed tight all the time. Relax Oxy. Give in to it.
At the risk of posting a third time in the same thread:
Google "The Largest Street Gang in America" for why one shouldn't be caught personifying der Cop.
Gosh, Oxy, is Greenwald gay? I wasn't aware of that. Thanks, though, for keeping that fact very close to the front of your awareness for us.
Ennyhoo, no, I was actually having a laugh at your predictable outrage over such total bogus lamestream sellout frauds like Greenwald invading your favorite little hipster hangout and forcing you to have to go find some new place to hang out and pretend that you have anything intelligent to say or anyone who gives a remote shit to hear it.
At the risk of posting a third time in the same thread:
Pretty sure the ravenous attention whore EL/MistahCharley has rendered any such quaint notions of restraint completely null and void around these parts.
I'm late to the party here, but a bit surprised that our host should refer to Todd Gitlin -- ימח שמו וזכרונו -- as a "leftist". Even implicitly. Gitlin may think he's a leftist, but nobody else does.
For the love of christ, please stop using "priapic" to mean gay shit you don't like. Words have meanings, this is not 'nam, etc.
& Eerily once again reminds us that he's not been here that long. That ship sailed about half a decade ago, bub.
to noony@1:31 - did he already have his 15 minutes?
Please dish - I wasn't aware ... 5 years ago he was still posting at Slate, but that certainly wasn't his 15 minutes ...
So we conclude that Todd "The Git" Gitlin should be smashed by Blacbloc, and Chris "The Wedge" Hedges should be endlessly lectured by an elderly moral scold. All in favor say aye, or so indicate by waving your appendage wildly in the air.
@EL
(yes, I know I shouldn't encourage it)
So, Monieur's Web Presence didn't jump out of Oberlin College's forehead fully formed, huh?
You don't say?
The Dull Sycophant
Not even Oberlin's foreskin, Dull Syco.
He was a "lamp unto our feet" over there at Slate's chat board, but I guess he decided that he was casting his pearls among swine.
But again, I'm not aware of any other exposure he's had (not counting little kids in the park, of course ...)
...aaaand, EL predictably obsesses over genitals. In his, what, 18th post on this thread?
Not just genitals. He's preoccupied with rape, molestation, flashing, and 'orrible 'orrible butsecks, which is the worst of all possible sex acts, 'cept when it involves a lady's bottom. Preferably nonconsensual, of course.
Kill the beast! Spill his blood!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies
Pretty ironic whose behavior's being modelled by the nonny's ...
Surrender the conch and go fuck yourself, martyr-boy.
a new nony notices that a single amused fool can derail any political conversation, provided that "the left" is hosting.
i also notice that besmirching said fool's reputation immediately becomes more important to the lumpen than the original topic of conversation.
thus, anyone on this board who criticizes blac bloc, or literally any soul on the planet, for the inefficacy of their protest should have no expectation of being taken seriously.
the opposition to violent direct action isn't productive peaceful protest; it's this here pathetic fucking adolescent shooting gallery. sheesh.
nony@5:13 -
Thank you for the compliment.
As Jaques observed in AsYouLikeIt,
"ducdame" is an invocation that calls fools into a circle.
IOZ is not unlike Jaques, and so I am content to be an "amused fool" on his board.
ill criticize the black bloc:
what's the deal with everyone wearing black? dont they know that pink is the new black? also, instead of covering our faces with handkerchiefs, lets paint kitten faces over our faces.
next: breaking windos is so 99, let burn down city hall and police stations and banks. that way, we can all get jobs rebuilding them. win win win.
ill criticize the black bloc:
what's the deal with everyone wearing black? dont they know that pink is the new black? also, instead of covering our faces with handkerchiefs, lets paint kitten faces over our faces.
next: breaking windos is so 99, let burn down city hall and police stations and banks. that way, we can all get jobs rebuilding them. win win win.
What the fuck have you people even been arguing about for the last 30 posts?
I'm gonna lure Eerily into a room with Dennis Perrin and lock the door so they can bore each other to death with the flatulent faux-erudition and long-winded name-dropping.
I'm not sure who I find more irritating, the attention seeking whore or the Johns.
Is this like parliament? Can this one "second" Christopher?
Also, what is this traditionalist PC culture of "I don't like it, therefore it must be homophobic and sexist" doing here?
EL, for the record, are you homophobic? Or sexist? We demand that you renounce such things in public, or else Nutella will continue making smart remarks.
5:13, can you quell the hysteria for a bit? The Revolution and all its wares are not being undermined because there are people talking about something you don't like in a post you don't get, 'kay?
@11:04
the left is being undermined because it's busy shitting on each other's pseudonyms.
i don't get it.
What is "the left"? Is that, like, people who like IOZ?
they were threatening castration. are we gonna split hairs here?
Can that one go fuck itself?
Nutella has ID'd the whore and the johns so clearly, it's odd that he hasn't ID'd the situation's pimp, i.e. the actor that consistently brings the whore to the attention of the johns ...
No - on second thought, that's not odd at all - self-awareness was never the Nut's forte, from what I can tell ...
Ah HA! You refused to denounce sexism and homophobia! You also failed to mention that Saddam Hussein was a poor administrator.
Clearly, you, EL, are one of the bad men from the end of Brokeback Mountain. Please take your lifted F250 downtown and head immediately to courtroom 12. The Right Hon. Nutella will be handling your sentencing.
You're going to be sorry you posted that, HighArka.
There's a nonny here who's fixated on the idea that I and MrC/PhD are one and the same, simply because MrC was foolish enough to treat me neutrally here.
That same nonny will now insist
that you and I are one and the same, so we may wind up in a "Three Faces of Eve" situation here.
In which case, I can tell you right now that I wanna play the fun-loving "Eve Black" ...
Nonny, if you're rendered even more priapic by thinking I have "outrage" (nice weak pun, sister! you used a word that has "out" in it and you think I'm closeted!), please feel free to wank away like Paul Reubens.
I'm a little curious as to how you'd know my mindset through the Toobz without ever meeting me. Care to share your divination skills origin, Nonny?
I'm sure we'll all be impressed. Especially Wee Glennie the Liar, who reads IOZ as we now have seen with proof thanks to your link! HOOWAH!
(yeah, I'm the top XY dog, Alpha-Alpha!)
For the love of christ, please stop using "priapic" to mean gay shit you don't like. Words have meanings, this is not 'nam, etc.
You want me to be etymologically honest while dealing with Nonny Mice?
Okay. King Priapus. Or Priapism. It can mean or refer to either. The choice is the reader's. And, you're welcome.
Please return to beating the breeder with Gucci bags.
Just like to say there ought to be a stage debate between Greenwald and IOZ, constitutional lawyer and antinomian anarchist extraordinaires.
They get into one of those heated arguments where their faces move closer and closer together. Before they know it, they are kissing passionately, and the show turns out to be a softcore.
Actually EL, as you well know, I deduced you and Mistah Charley are one and the same because he posted the same irrelevant snippet of poetry from Whitman at a different blog on the same day back in November that you posted it here. I suppose it's theoretically possible that one of you was simply so moved by reading it that you decided to post it elsewhere for everyone else's enjoyment, but, you know, come on.
I'll take your sad dishonesty as an admittance of guilt as well as a besmirching of your dubious character. Now kindly shut the fuck up and seek treatment for your OCD and multiple personality disorder.
Oxtrot with the topical Pee Wee reference!
Sharp as a bowling ball, you are. You must totally own traffic court with your mad lawyering skills.
Do not come to an IOZ comment thread if you seek anything other than pure lulz.
"I suppose it's theoretically possible that one of you was simply so moved by reading it that you decided to post it elsewhere for everyone else's enjoyment, but, you know, come on."
Why don't you use your real name when you post something like that?
Is it because it's Orly?
"Keep your ugly fuckin' goldbrickin' ass out of my beach community."
Very well, Mr. EL, but as to the point--will you please tell the commission whether or not you are, or have ever been, disapproving of homosexuality in general, or of homosexuals because of said homosexuality?
And secondly, whether you are, in some pejorative form, "sexist"?
This one would like to know if these accusations that get thrown around in so many threads are justified, or if the peanut gallery is just using standardized neoliberal insults that don't necessarily fit you.
Also, blog history moment. Pretend you're the wise elder around the campfire, and explain why the holy heck your saying anything sets off such a weird firestorm. Are you IOZ in disguise? Or IOZ's boyfriend, posting secretly from your iPad while he waits for his check in the lobby of Northern Trust?
No, he's just a pompus imbecile. Utterly so. And with no hint of self-awareness
The Dull Sycophant
High Arka - if I thought that I had ever posted anything to this blog that could be construed as homophobic or sexist, I would certainly take the trouble to try and set the record straight publicly in the manner you've suggested.
But not, in my own earnest opinion having done so, I think your request is the equivalent of the US Govt asking my Dad in 1948 to sign a loyalty oath (along with all other defense workers), even though they had no evidence whatsoever, either in word or deed, that he had or ever had had any intent to be disloyal.
And as such, I must respectfully refuse.
Regarding the effect my posts have here, I think that people are just annoyed because they feel I'm taking more than my share of bandwidth.
Which puzzles the heck out of me, because it's not like M'sieur has said that he will lock every thread chez IOZ at 150 posts or some other number thereof.
In which case, bandwidth is unlimited and there for anyone to avail him/herself of.
'arka , eerily has never said anything that i've seen that suggests that he has any issues with homosexuality , / yes he is in some ways sexist. .. /mistah is taken by eerily in some way ..so it is possible that he posted the whitman somewhere else on seeing it ,that sounds like something he would do .. ,
Something who would do, anne? Me or him?
I can assure you I posted it here unilaterally because:
i) it was a propos to a thread in which EVERYONE was whining about something M'sieur said (whining as humans are wont to do and animals aren't)
ii) Whitman's observation about animals seemed to be precisely what M'sieur has summed up in the epigraph for his blog: "dogs don't blog".
So, I can assure you, if there was any copying, it was not by me.
Not that I'm dinging MrC for doing so, if in fact he did. But it could also have been coincidence - he'll have to let us know if he chooses to do so.
Now - regarding sexism - if you knew anything about my life you would know how very unsexist I am, in fact, probably the opposite.
But - two things:
i) self-convinced feminists ARE an element of the new bourgeoisie, figuratively speaking, and is there anything more fun than "epater les bourgeoisie? (Hence my poking fun at Djuna Barnes and Betty Friedan in the quatrains on my blog site ...)
ii) if one has had the privilege of knowing superior women who have nonetheless had to fight the way things are in order to get the lives for themselves that they wanted, one gets very tired of average women who seem to think that their very feminism somehow makes them more than they actually are. I have no patience for them and am only to happy to to point out how relentlessly average they really are.
I have deduced that it is Col. Mustard in the Library with a candlestick. YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP!
just on the first comment .. haven't finished reading .. something mistah ..i thought that would be clear ..would do ,
Sweet, sweet Anne ever the gentle voice of reason.
eerily, still haven't finished reading her .. but of my mention of sexist .. in some way , it is not fitting to what you mention here .. i'll try to say more over on our blog when i get a moment in my day .. .
here i mean ..of the her '
"ii) if one has had the privilege of knowing superior women who have nonetheless had to fight the way things are in order to get the lives for themselves that they wanted, one gets very tired of average women who seem to think that their very feminism somehow makes them more than they actually are. I have no patience for them and am only to happy to to point out how relentlessly average they really are.
..'' ,.. could you say more on what this about here on whoisy .. to make clearer ..
and this as well .. ".i) self-convinced feminists ARE an element of the new bourgeoisie, figuratively speaking, and is there anything more fun than "epater les bourgeoisie? (Hence my poking fun at Djuna Barnes and Betty Friedan in the quatrains on my blog site ...)"
is .. dropped out on my 2:33 .. brevity is more than wit these days .. more of what trying to live gives ..
Who mentioned feminism? What does "self-convinced" mean? Were you thinking of false consciousness but didn't want to be accused of being (heaven forfend) a postmodernist?
In typical marble-mouthed fashion, Eerily is trying to say, I think, that anyone who asks him to stop clogging up these here threads with his faintly prudish fantasies re IOZ's busy sex life (fantasies obviously informed by carefully preserved pulp covers featuring sad young men and something called cottages, whatever those are) is not only a feminist, but a bad feminist doing feminism wrong.
While this is all very fascinating, the point is that he wants to flawg his blawg again, and thinks bringing up the naughty manhaters will endear him to the crowd at large.
Saurs - fantasies about IOZ are for the homoerotic, not the homonoietic.
As I have tried to make clear, I am the latter, not the former.
As the LATTER (not the former), I do confess to having had fantasies about conversation with him, until I found out he was but a callow youth.
Holy anne, batman.
Also, Eerily, your description of the feminism thing reminds this one of that sad little "Ethan" over at 6th or 7th. Which sort of vanished when his finals came up. No doubt he's written a successful paper about women under capitalism by now, and is well on his way to an adjunct position in the cultural appreciation department at Southern Oklahoma Community College.
eer', oh, darn ..you should have left that last comment as it came out ..i was amused .. .
That wasn't an invitation for you to speak again, bro.
LOL! Who the fuck needs your permission to speak? You have an inflated sense of self importance, you would have been a great Red Guard. Now I withdraw any and all permission for you to speak henceforth as you never have anything remotely interesting or even clever to say.
so, anne - you're not quite the flightly flibbertigibbet you pretend to be, but rather a rather close reader ...
well it makes sense you'd choose flightiness as an escape from carefulness ...
OK anne - since you're insisting on a clarification re feminist women who think they'e more than they are ...
... such women are no different than the members of any "movement" who allow their self-images to be "enlarged" by their very involvement in the movement ...
... when the "movement" dies, either from success or failure, members must confront the fact that they're still who they were before they were swept up in it ... kind of like Emerson's travellers who can never travel away from themselves ...
... but try to explain this simple fact of life to a feminist and you will be accused of being a misogynist at best ..
eer', to your so,anne comment .. a so very gentle flutter ,but no flibber' ,and no pretend .. . ,
BLAH BLAH BLEE FUCKIN BLAH BLAH BLAH BLEE FUCKIN BLAH BLAH BLAH BLEE FUCKIN BLAH BLOO BLURGH BLURF BLAH BLAH BLAH BLEE FUCKIN BLAH BLAH BLAH BLEE FUCKIN BLAH...
That's quite a rude way to behave, CJ.
all caps,it's not a circle .. i've only come in at the end of the conversing to sweep .. .
Whether or not anyone is or isn't anyone else is a distractive line of inquiry, meant to avoid discussing the subject at hand by saying, essentially, "Your words are blah-blah-blah to me, because you are so alike someone else objectionable."
For the record, "I" AM Saurs, Eerily, Nutella, anne, mistah charley, and several versions of anonymous. I also might be IOZ's groundskeeper. That understood, can we return to the subject at hand?
Or, is the subject just venting frustrations on internet IDs because they are internet IDs that can't be stapled to someone's shoulder as easily as in tangible company.
If "I" am really everyone, then can I be dealt with in as many different aspects as I wish to appear?
Leave me out of it, sock puppet.
Right, like that's going to convince anyone. We have an obvious back-and-forth going on here. Don't you see the blatant way you just set this up?
Or are you just validating this one's point? Subject at hand? Subject at hand? Bueller?
The subject at hand is whatever we make it, shitbird. If you want strict rules and order, go hang out at Shakesville.
I personally don't care how many sock puppets Eerily Charley has. I find it fairly amusing that he seems to think that his habit of bloating comment threads with his gaseous irrelevancies wouldn't eventually catch him out, but mainly, he's annoying because he uses his multiple personalities to take up even more room on threads with the aforementioned gaseous irrelevancies. And yes, using your sock puppet to carry on a conversation with yourself for extra attention, as he did recently, is what experts in the field refer to as a "dick move".
re anon@742
As I observed earlier, this nonny sure is fixated.
But if you asked nonny whether his or her fixation is like Orly Taitz's, nonny wouldn't see any similarity at all.
That's the most fascinating thing about Web interaction - folks' failure to see that psychosocial interactions in the microcosm are the same as those in the macrocosm ...
EL, pumpkin, I only think about you when I visit here and see your 83 comments in each thread. I'm sure it would flatter your insatiable ego to think that I would take this case to the Supreme Court, but, sorry.
Little secret: it's only even fun to keep knocking you over it because of your stubborn mendacity.
re anon @ 9:35
As I predicted, the nonny sees no similarity at all between his fixation and her fixation ...
***From Whitman's "Song of Myself":
32
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and
self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of
owning things,
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of
years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
http://www.daypoems.net/poems/1900.html#top
Posted by: mistah charley, ph.d.
Eerily Lackadaisical said...
God almighty folks - why is this thread so charged with rancor and recrimination?
Please - read and then reflect on #32 from Whitman's "Song of Myself"; it really is quite a propos:
32
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and
self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of
owning things,
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of
years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
http://www.daypoems.net/poems/1900.html#top***
Coincidence, I'm sure. Even the links, just pasted at the bottom like that.
Look, slappy, you're a sock puppeteer, you know it, we know it, just admit it and stop carrying on conversations with yourself and using up all the oxygen. It's just bad form.
That concludes this intervention. Unlike Nutella, I am not so naive as to think you'll actually go away if we ignore you, but my work here is done, and I wash my hands of you, you dishonest, disreputable cretin.
I said good day!
mistah charley is the one with more than one name .. not eerily / and of animals ,of whitman's writing .. as i said to justin in a comment here back in the summer ...dogs don't blawg.. .
re the fixated nonny @ 12:34
What does the nonny neglect to provide in his post?
Answer:
1) No times listed for the two posts.
2) No URL's listed for the two posts (mine was here but where was Mr C's?)
In other words, no facts that would indicate a simple matter of one poster copying from another poster.
In other words, no facts that would cast doubt on the nonny's fixation.
On such "evidence" do Truthers and Birthers depend, and, apparently, the occasional web nonny.
". ..dogs don't blawg.. you really don't know ..of the perspective..behind their lovely brows.. " aug.4.2011 ..of the whitman
i hope the black boc pussies start breaking windows in ny
welcome to the big apple, black jeans girls
volpe time
youll get a tasty beating
boys in blue will send you crying back to your mamas in the suburbs
you can mess around with the maybery cops in seattle, portland, san fran auston....everwhere else
come to ny, and our fine men in blue will beat sense into you and show how pussies who hide behind masks are cowards and wimps
begging you black jeans girlies .... come to ny and start breaking windows
Holy shit we got a live one. And by live one I mean a boot licking fucking sociopath. Im in NY gimme ur adress so I can come over and pummel your mother while you watch.
pussies who hide behind masks are cowards and wimps
Haha, yeah, as opposed to those tough guys who hide behind shields and body armor, and who like to gang up on unarmed individuals.
the black blocs wont make one peep in nyc because theyre pussyboy cowards and know whats coming to them here. ny'ers dont go for that shit. occupy is fine but black boc troublemakers wont break windows or anything....hope they do just to see sgts santino, o'reilly, jones, rodqriguez make these pussy boy white boys shove their dicks between their legs to look like cunts
occuphy is fine and real even tho there's many freaks and stalins but black boc pussies are rich kids who want to make trouble...dont mess with the working claass men in blue of ny
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