So needless to say I'm not very interested in American conservativism, whatever that is, and certainly not in its F-list, tertiary scribblers, but this whole John Derbyshire thing is worth commenting on, if briefly. I propose to you that John Derbyshire's actual crime in writing this terrifically dumb column was that it exposed what many white people actually think. Lock your doors when you drive through this neighborhood. Why do they wear their pants like that? Cross the street. Like, um, I do not think Derbyshire is uniquely or extraordinarily racist; rather, I think he is rather, well, ordinarily racist.
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Exactly. And people are starting to wake up to the fact that being "racist" may just mean being aware of reality, and has as much moral approbation as being called a "hobbyist".
Oh dear.
It's pretty clear that most white people, though clearly not obsessed with race, do happen to carry around with them a hundred or so faded newspaper clippings concerning black people.
"It's pretty clear that most white people, though clearly not obsessed with race, do happen to carry around with them a hundred or so faded newspaper clippings concerning black people."
No. They don't need to. That's what Breitbart is for.
Exactly. And people are starting to wake up to the fact that being "racist" may just mean being aware of reality, and has as much moral approbation as being called a "hobbyist".
Yeah, that was the point.
And then there are liberals.
in before this becomes the shittiest whiteboy anarcho-racist circle jerk/demolition derby ever.
What the fuck just happened?
@Rob Payne 11:21 and liberal Fascists.
It is not a terrifically dumb column, unless you are working under the assumption that Derb really wanted to avoid being controversial but just couldn't understand what he was writing. That is highly implausible. What you want to write there is "terrifically politically incorrect". Or "terrifically racist". Or really, just "intolerably heretical". Why mince words?
No, the column is intelligent enough. And that is the problem. Dumb heretics can be easily marginalized. The scientific heretics can't. (Although I will note that Derb overstepped the bounds of scientific racism in several of his points. Still, the point here is it supposed to be a "talk" you have with kids, not a scientific paper.) Your problem is exactly the same problem that Christians have with evolution.
It is not just white people who think that they should attempt to avoid living in black ghettos. Rather, it is whites, Hispanics, Asians, and blacks. That's why, to take one example, Prince George's county is rapidly turning black -- because the working class and middle class blacks from DC are fleeing out there. Lower crime and "good schools". I'm sure your readers understand.
Nony has baggage.
No. They don't need to. That's what Breitbart is for.
Don't you mean "...was for"? And shouldn't Proud Pwoggies be cheering that death?
Or is the abundance of other "pundits" who dredge the deeps of the big muddy to find trash fish that are covered in mucous and stink like sewage just overwhelming and therefore no cause to cheer Breitbart's death? Look! There's a Limbaugh, here's an O'Reilly, over there's a Coulter, and we still have that evilest evildoer Glenn Beck to contend with! The world is full of Evil Christer Cracker Rethuglicans!
Sorry Lenny. Your comment is as predictable as it is wrong. Derbs didn't say anything about black ghettos. He wrote an article about avoiding blacks. Full stop. Surely, you can understand the difference between telling someone to avoid thugs and telling someone to avoid black people. Unless of course, you happen to be one of those people who us those words autonomously.
Also, when did the conservatives get every bit as plaintive and whiny as the progressives. I long for the good old days of the 1990s when the conservatives were the jocular pricks in the blue blazers and boat shoes who were forever thinking up ways of pissing off the multicultural vegan campus housing collective. Today we've gone through the looking glass and it's the right-wingers who are forever going on and on about being victimized by the man.
instead of circle-jerking, maybe we could try snow-coning. it's where one dude sucks off another dude and then spit the come on to his own penis and then the other dude licks it up and so on for ever.
What are your thoughts on docking?
And let us compare Derbyshire to the reaction of blacks to the Martin shooting in Florida.
Nobody can be serious about anything unless they have the approval of Nony. Just because I had a discussion with Lucid and mentioned Native Americans Nony gets a burr up Nony’s ass. Nony then falls back on Nony’s all too familiar snark and later goes on a tirade regarding genitals. The word jerk seems to come to Nony’s limited repertoire so easily.
docking is awesome!!!
im usually the one docked in since im not circumcised.
It was one of this nice Jewish boy's favorite pastimes in his student days in France. Mais où sont les prépuces dantan.
I take it you're using "docking" in some non-maritime sense. Explain, please. I need to learn something today.
-- sglover
Derbs didn't say anything about black ghettos. He wrote an article about avoiding blacks. Full stop.
Full stop, eh?
"(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods."
and
"(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians."
I am sure now you will want point out America's many safe, rich black neighborhoods, like, um... yeah. And the highly functional municipalities run by black politicians.
Surely, you can understand the difference between telling someone to avoid thugs and telling someone to avoid black people. Unless of course, you happen to be one of those people who us those words autonomously.
You meant "synonymously". No, I do not think "black" and "thug" are synonymous. Neither does Derbyshire; see his point (4). Nobody thinks that except utter idiots.
Where I differ from you is that I know what the official US government-approved scientifical crime statistics say about the degree of overlap between these two sets; as compared to the similar overlap between "white" and "thug". Or perhaps you do know them, but you are unwilling to actually use such information rationally.
I think it likely that you are willing to use such information rationally, but only in the tolerated fashion: secretly in the confines of your own head. Well, you are anonymous here, j r. Nobody knows you from a dog. Perhaps we can have that conversation that Eric Holder wants after all, even if we are cowards! Do you stay out of black ghettos? Do you attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks? Do you live in a district or municipality run by black politicians? Do you have children, and if so: do you live in a neighborhood with "good schools"? I'll show you mine if you show me yours. And then maybe we can hone down and play the zipcode game!
As for your claim that conservatives are whinier now than they have been in the past, I had not noticed it myself. And I see no evidence of any such change. It is likely, though, that in the 90s you were not on the Internet, and therefore you simply were not aware of how whiny average net.conservatives were then. I was on the Net then, and I will tell you that everyone from all points of the political compass have always been very, very whiny.
Consider the maritime sense, sglover. Now consider the references to circumcised and uncircumcised dicks. Now figure it out.
Can you say penis? Peee-niss, p-p-p-eeeee-nnnnisssss, penis!
It's just that I'm more acquainted with cleats.
-- sglover
It is at times like this - encountering unfamiliar words, or words used in unfamiliar ways - that I find it useful to turn to http://www.urbandictionary.com/
Can you guys stop talking the masculine form? It makes me uncomfortable. Please, go on about cunts or fannys or vaginas, at which I shall not bat an eye.
According to spell check, the plural of vagina is vaginae? Hmmm... Smells fishy.
great grandpappy derbyshire the third senior wrote the exact same article about the irish.
fucking derbyshires. nothing changes.
It exposed what many (most) people think, period. The salient difference between Derbyshire and Tyler Perry's mother is that Derbyshire's tribe won the most recent of history's unceasing Risk-rolls. That, and Derbyshire's tribe alone in history considers navel-gazing and breast-beating to be a moral concomitant of its moments in the ascendancy. Hence, the U.S. Attorney General holds Al Sharpton's hand, not Sharpton's colleague Derbyshire.
It exposed what many (most) people think, period.
ray! I'm a minority!
Leonard,
How is "black neighborhood" a precise and seamless overlapping signifier for "ghetto," exactly?
Jack - it's not just neighborhoods, but any city with a black mayor or majority black city council...
lucid,
It surprises me to discover that Savannah, Georgia is in fact a white-hating, dangerous-to-crackers ghetto...
Oh no! My sister and her family go there all of the time. I'll have to warn them!
Rob, you don't honestly believe all Anonymooses are the same person, do you? I'm the one who suggested you stop talking about the values and ethics of other cultures you know nothing about, but I certainly didn't author any of the above comments. Your credulity continues to make me sad.
and i'm the one talking about snow-coning and docking.
Funny, I first read it as Fredo Returns to Derbyshire
Also,
scientific racism
lulz!
Docking? Does that mean we're back in the space race? Are you a lunar module, or a command module?
I do honestly believe that nony is one person, but I'm just a sock-puppet so...
@Nony, snore, ZZZZZZ. You Americans, you are how zey say eet, you are so clevaire.
This is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass.
Atlanta, sucha hellhole, lemmetell ya'll... The Dull Sycophant
Poor Nony, a sad sweaty little man who ran out of monkey pooh to throw.
...Larry.
Brandt can't watch though. Or he has to pay a hundred.
Where are Saurs and the other radfems? It's difficult to put a finger on it, but there may be a slightly phallocentric character buried in this thread somewhere. The principal locus of the oppression of black men may be white men, but that's irrelevant when both of those locuses are focuses, err, focused, on a strong foundation of raping women white, black, and Pacific Islander. Derbyshire, Payne, Leonard and IOZ are culpable in these ongoing crimes, and this business about "docking" and "black" and "white" is just a way of concealing the real nature of their work, which is colluding with men of all races to rape and own us.
Pacific Islanders? At any rate, Arka, I don’t think the oppression of women is some dark and deep secret as it seems pretty much out in the open except for liberals who are easily satisfied with symbols, and who say one thing and do another. I agree that women and minorities are disadvantaged by mighty whitey males who think they know everything because they invented the radio and TV but childish humor over docking and penises is a cover up for conspiring against women? I don’t think so. I am not sure how docking suddenly became relevant to the comments here except for the bruising of some rather overly large and immature and very tender egos like Nony’s whose mouth is larger than his brain if he actually owns one which I doubt but a conspiracy it is not. Of course I have noticed that you tend to blow things out of proportion so that you go off on wild tangents through space and time in alternate universes but your latest rant which suddenly produces Pacific Islanders is one of your best. Congratulations.
Docking is awesome.
It's also known as 'pigeon-holing', although I think 'man-coitus' also works.
what the official US government-approved scientifical crime statistics say
lulz
If I owned Arka I would start a fire sale.
Derbyshire, Payne, Leonard and IOZ are culpable in these ongoing crimes, and this business about "docking" and "black" and "white" is just a way of concealing the real nature of their work, which is colluding with men of all races to rape and own us.
Hah hah hah hah!
See that male child in the maternity ward? He's promoting rape culture there in his little hospital crib!
What would Ioz, a confessed SODOMITE, do with you if he owned you, Arka? Use you for domestic chores?
Docking is fine, so sayeth this radfem. Its phallocentrism is a given, inasmuch as tribbing may invariably be deemed vaginal (as in, my art has been commended as being strongly).
For more feminist pronouncements, and to investigate more fully the hopes and dreams of yer average radfem, please consult these comics.
(Although witnessing a buncha straight dudes expressing disgust mingled with curiosity, or pure mystification at what they clearly believe to be obscure gay male practices is hardly cause to cheer, either.)
Brian, IOZ would likely place me inside a clear plastic cage dangling inside his foyer, as preserved proof that he hunts the most dangerous game of all. Be sure to catch the 6PM show before the air runs out.
saurs,
have you read this blog post? http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/04/the_hunger_games_is_sexist_fai.html
curious if you have an opinion...
Where is the evidence that great-grandpappy Derbyshire was wrong about the irish?
For a little while I thought they might have proved me wrong with the whole "celtic tiger" thing, but turns out I was wrong about being wrong.
Great way to connect with new people..
Is there anything you say that doesn't sound like a pronouncement?
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