Like the New Testament, Atlas Shrugged suffers in comparison to the book it was ostensibly designed to sequel and improve upon. It lacks the blood, sweat, and rape, and it relies instead on the sermons, although both Atlas and the Bible Part 2 do admittedly culminate in pretty fantastic science fiction set pieces. The Fountainhead isn't a very good book, but there's a very good book in there somewhere, and its skeletal presence keeps the proceedings dancing along. Ayn Rand professed to have loved Victor Hugo above all other novelists and to have, in part, based her own romantic theories of art on his work; you can imagine what he would have done with the material. A man, a genius, born into the most modest circumstances, at spiritual war with a world that prefers mediocrity to greatness and accommodation to inspiration, rises nevertheless through the strength of his own will to the pinnacle of his art. Yet for all his genius, he's proud; his pride ultimately destroys his nobility. When his work is bowdlerized and popularized, he goes mad and commits an act of unspeakable violence and destruction. The mood would be tragic. Instead, we get treated to a triumph; had Rand gotten her hand on Oedipus, the dramatic music would have swelled (swollen?) as he achieved victory by carving out his eyeballs. Well, look, uh, the point is that there are some characters in The Fountainhead who are sufficiently compelling that not even an architect like Ayn Rand could dynamite the whole thing; as much as she tried to bury it beneath the rubble of her crackpot theology, some portions of it remained standing.
The film adaptation of The Fountainhead was infamously terrible, but last year's home-video version of Atlas is totally amazing. There is a scene about two thirds of the way through in which Hank and Dagny--don't worry; you either already know who these characters are or don't; either way it's thoroughly irrelevant--and an engineer ride in a new train that goes ruhl fast n' at. The engineer dutifully intones. 100 miles per hour. 150 miles per hour. 200 miles per hour! This is set in America, 2016, even though SNCF and RENFE have been doing this shit since the eighties. A bad CGI model train is then shot from a fake helicopter angle as it . . . wait, is that train winding along a curving riverbed? Slow down you guys! Yer gonna derail! The whole thing is a marvelous hash. The Argentinian copper magnate, whom everyone makes a point of calling Señor, talks like a GWU fratboy, although he occasionally slips into a vaguely Latin solecism and/or accent to remind us that he is frumah zee Sows Uhmereekah. Hank and Dags actually manage to evince a bare hint of frisson, until, that is, they actually rub together during a sex scene that suggests--hard to be sure, because the camera doesn't move below the earlobe--that once Hank manages to get it in, they both stop moving and put on the blinkers, paused at an intersection, GPS recalculating the route as if they missed a confusing turn-off a mile or so back. The secondary characters are even better. A congressman is played as Charlie Rangle channeling Jon Polito as Johnny Caspar in Miller's Crossing, and then you realize that it is Jon Polito, giving everyone the high hat. Dagny's executive assistant, Eddie, is played by the black guy who was the first to die in the last X-men movie. I kept expecting him to evaporate in a phaser blast. Alas, no.
Everything echoes Rand's habit of writing business from a fan's perspective, a drive-time sports radio take on the intricacies of a professional game. In this world, declining stock prices have a direct and immediate impact on company cash flows and bonds are peddled person-to-person, like Avon. Everything Rand and her followers ever said about business can be boiled down to one famous quote: "Are you kidding, it's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!" C-level executives have conversations like, "You're desperate. I could charge you anything for this steel. I'm gonna charge you $40,000 per ton." "No, you're desperate. I'm going to offer you $20,000, and you're gonna take it." Kiss. Exeunt. In the back office, an assistant comptroller and a junior spend analyst blow their brains out, blood spattering gorgeously across a set of Raw Materials and Work-in-Process T-accounts. Some salaried engineer invents a miracle engine and is pissed because the IP and patent rights go to his employer. The most fundamental principles of the big ugly economic system that Rand purported to admire as the crowning achievement of practical philosophy escape her; the lessons she draws from capitalism are like spelunking guides based on the Allegory of the Cave. I suspect if you showed her the old A = L + S/E equation, she'd think it was some kind of commie redistribution plan.
Well. The movie makes it through a third of Rand's Corbusier-sized apartment block of a book in a lithe hour and a half. It is relentlessly expository, and yet, because the book is even more so, nothing follows. When Dagby, apropos nothing, says "What's with all this crazy altruism, sheesh," toward the film's end, it lands with dog-walking plop, because unlike the novel, which spends thousands of words upon the topic, the screenplay has never yet used the word altruism. It arrives, like a mad Russian emigre, out of a foreign country and makes no sense. An oil tycoon sets his shale drilling operation on fire as a big fuck you to the moochers, and Dagby, once more echoing Star Wars, cries NOOOOOOO! and sinks to her knees. The actual John Galt slinks around the film in a fedora, straight out of Spillane (another of Rand's favorites, beeteedubs), and convinces plutocrats to hie unto Kolob . . . their departures are reported on film with spare type-titles rescued from a dumpster behind the latest Bourne Film. For so resolute an atheist, Rand's eschatology was straight outta Dispensationalism, and if the next installment of Atlas really wants to get going, the producers could hand the whole project over to Kirk Cameron, sit back, and wait for the hosannas to roll in.
Monday, April 23, 2012
Train à grande paresse
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Admit it: you watched the awful thing to the end only because you'd thought up the title of this review and couldn't bear not to use it.
... maybe.
True collectibles:
"the lessons she draws from capitalism are like spelunking guides based on the Allegory of the Cave
"
"a third of Rand's Corbusier-sized apartment block"
See - such gems are the reason I keep reading here, despite the number of low-life anti-intellectuals you attract for some unknown reason (ex-casuals, perhaps?)
Note to Leonard:
Here's a line I can't resist using, though entirely un-a propos:
a gay actor playing Porgy, soulfully lisping:
Beth, you is my woman now, oh yeth!
C-level executives have conversations like, "You're desperate. I could charge you anything for this steel. I'm gonna charge you $40,000 per ton." "No, you're desperate. I'm going to offer you $20,000, and you're gonna take it." Kiss. Exeunt.
The funny thing is, this is in fact how deals get made.
"Hey, Professor, it's Hank. Listen: I promised Taggart we could go down to twenty K for the Q4 SOW. We can do twenty, right? What? Oh, come on, Taggart's on the HOOK, man. She's fucking gasping for it. Don't leave me hanging."
The same singer also has
Bethame mucho
in his repertoire
Chere Ayne,
Je vous dis merde.
Bien à vous,
Victor Hugo
speak of the devil , of ayn , .. " a good bk in there somewhere " .. yes , something written by huxley's neighbour .. , still reading .. ,
Oxford comma.
Ho ho ho! Gay men lisping (in a straight man's dimly realized fantasy)! Whatever next!
I see my favorite nonny stopped by at 3:07pm.
Really, IOZ, how did these lumpenproletariat make their way here?
ayn , the cracked pot , the man in woman , and in her wooing , .. and of her taking from hugo and others no arch , .. of from the ideas that you suggest at ..of her theology .. .
ayn?
You mean Alice Rosenbaum, don't you - the lover of Nathan Blumenthal ?
Somehow, they don't seem nearly as impressive as when you call them Ayn Rand and Nathaniel Branden ...
Just another couple of yids on the make, like Krauthammer and Kristol ...
Happy birthday, IOZ.
eer of , branden was and still is corn . ..
Neither lumpen nor proletariat mean what you want them to mean, and there is demonstrably more than one anonymous, all of whom dislike you.
when someone said happy of day of birth io z ,..i thought maybe it was some sort of tease , but if it is .. happy,from me as well , .. having funny thoughts of my willy comments of you and i on the weekend .. .
I know your desire to zing me makes you hasty, but you really ought to slow down, nonny@5:39.
I called him "my favorite" nonny, which indicates my awareness that "there is[sic] demonstrably more than one anonymous".
But nonetheless, there you were - posting " there is[sic] demonstrably more than one anonymous.
Note to M'sieur: if you want to play Bottom to these mechanics, that's your business.
But I would just observe there's more dignity in the role of "bottom", which you refuse, than in the role of "Bottom".
Watching Hollywood is pulling the lever in the voting booth.
To see a purportedly vociferous anti-Semite like IOZ claiming the literary superiority of the Torah is like, like seeing a die-hard Obama critic reading Game of Thrones and watching Ayn Rand movies.
It's almost as hypocritical as seeing an IOZ critic commenting on IOZ.
Fucking Leos.
http://sedition.com/a/3151
Hey Chareerily, take a break from sucking up all the oxygen in the thread and go rape yourself.
I wonder if we get waves of new nony's or if there are really a few too stupid to realize that EL reslishes in negative attention and won't go away until people start actually ignoring him.
Nutella - you're so dense.
Apparently you haven't realized yet that Leonard pays me to hold his place in line.
Wait a darn minute, "Who is IOZ?", sounds like "Who is John Galt?"! I knew he was a Randroid all along.
Despite writing a preface for the Rand-takedown "The Myth of Natural Rights", I've never actually read any of her books. But that I.P business, especially combined with that Fountainhead guy blowing up a building he didn't own, indicates that Rand really didn't care for the capitalist system of property rights.
If she didn't care for it, why did she spend her life fellating it? And cursing to hell all those who didn't do similarly?
My local library does not have the DVD, but they do make available not only the novel, but the Cliff's Notes for it.
From God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater by Kurt Vonnegut:
“Thus did a handful of rapacious citizens come to control all that was worth controlling in America. Thus was the savage and stupid and entirely inappropriate and unnecessary and humorless American class system created. Honest, industrious, peaceful citizens were classed as bloodsuckers, if they asked to be paid a living wage. And they saw that praise was reserved henceforth for those who devised means of getting paid enormously for committing crimes against which no laws had been passed. Thus the American dream turned belly up, turned green, bobbed to the scummy surface of cupidity unlimited, filled with gas, went bang in the noonday sun.”
Quoted yesterday at
http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=32878
I'd go so far as to say that Ein is not just ignorantly inclined but also a bit thick... but then, where would that leave me? So I'll reserve so bold an accusation for when I can level it in conversation with someone I'm sure is my intellectual inferior.
Speekin' 'o which: I always knew you were and eerily lax version of Leonard.
And seriously, EL, like, is mocking a quip based upon the hilarious notion that "teh gaze lithp" typical lumpenprol behavior?
And which do you like better, side one of 2112 or side two of Permanent Waves?
Was it Cioran? I think who had such a humorous putdown of uberdouche Victor Hugo ... I could never take that pompous blabbermouth seriously...
TDS
nony, 9,19, .. are you french ?
davidly -
I think you missed the point of my "lisping" posts ...
"quipping" is quintessentially gay behavior, though not one that lumps would even notice.
So the posts were actually a somewhat opaque comment on how M'sieur felt free to trash the sincerity of his own post and admit to writing it solely as an add-on to his quip in the title.
goodmorning, .. to tee 's comment, ..christ, i'm not going to start seeing whois i oz on north of your border lululemon bags now am i .. .
No. Neither was Cioran, and his hit piece was 'ilarious in original - I'm not sure how much it loses in translation.
The Dull Sycophant
'ly ,lover , .. leonard and eer are very different , every one is delight fully different .. ./ . .you have pinned ayn , and a grande paresse in your first line .. .
ark' , ..is hypocritical really the word you want in a compare , still trying to figure out something of the move about of your mind ..,
(Only inasmuch as the rest; that's not "the" problem.
Carry on!)
to those that look at nih' s link to ashley's ( a boy's name ), have a look at his ayn/burroughs as well / i think that io z , nih'/once montag and i are the only ones that know of him here , that is sedition to the right on links as well.. . /side note to ark' , leave him .. be , he's not around , no comments .. , just read
Perhaps Nutella is too stupid to realize that Eerily pretends to be the various anons in order to keep talking to himself.
for anne, the first of the burroughs/rand love letter series be here:
http://sedition.com/a/823
12:59, call it naivete, but I refuse to admit that any human is that pathetic. Still, that would be the lulz.
Oh, and since EL is granting us with remarkable restraint and brevity in this here post, I shall grant him a nugget: Yes, you're not nearly as shitty as Leonard.
Ah, hell, here I go ramblin' on again.
those letters are amazing
See also, too many Russians are writing long books. And just so no one thinks I'm kissing up and we can all look each other in the eye tomorrow: most opera is a buffoonish subversion of music more emperor's cloth than even the most spasmodic cool jazz. There is some really good music lurking in a lot of it though which just barely keeps one from switching off King FM during weekend programming.
things you said that day up on the 101 / the girl had come undone / i tried to downplay it with a bet about us / you said that you'd take it as long as i could, i could not erase it
Nutella - what is it with you and "nu* words?
Your nic doesn't have to be "Mortadella" instead of "Nutella" for you to toss me a "MO-rsel" instead of a "NU-gget".
Maybe while your Mom was carrying you, she was frightened by a old Jewish guy saying "Nu?"
Ok folks watch out for incoming now ... 10 9 8 7 6 5 .... and here it is!
A post from Our Favorite Nonny alleging an anti-Semitic slur on my part ...
write it yrself, dipshit
I'm reminded of Steve Martin talking to John Candy in Planes, Trains and Automobiles:
"It's like going on a date with a Chatty Cathy doll. I expect you have a little string on your chest, you know, that I pull out and have to snap back. Except I wouldn't pull it out and snap it back - you would. Agh! Agh! Agh! Agh! And by the way, you know, when you're telling these little stories? Here's a good idea - have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener!"
Seriously, Eerily, you sad, strange little man, try - just try - to stop posting twenty times per thread. You and all your alter egos. Fuck off with a quickness. Push aside all that narcissism and have a little shame over what a stupid, boring asshole you are.
I dunno, Nutella, after Nonny@643's post, I think I'm gonna hafta ask Leonard for a raise. I mean - I'm just supposed to be taking shit for him till he gets here, not taking more shit than him ...
Got conjunctivitis, I see, 'rily 'daisi'. Sounds weird to the ear, coming from you. If you're worried about sounding pretentious (;-D) just stick the verb at the end. Covers it real good.
oh davidlY, . ..i remembered, and got my timing right, .. . and heard your voice .. ,so not just my name with mary margaret's .. this time .,i listened earlier , so i hear your voice now as you comment , ..so nice to hear .. ., now go to bed .
oh, i just noted that i left another comment for davidly here above .. but only put 'ly , ..the first line comment was meant for davidly ,not eer of ayn pinned .. .,at 10,13
but it is thought provoking .. as first line.." I think you missed the point of my "lisping" posts .".. of ayn .. .
It's hard to have a serious discussion about a "writer" who creates a fictional architect around her post-adolescent crush upon a real life kidnapper-rapist, but who doesn't have the literary chops to write a [predictable] rape scene which doesn't cast her all-or-nothing, Olympian heroes in the worst possible light. There Rand is, at her typewriter, crafting her paean to Hickman, and what does she come up with? A "master taking shameful, contemptuous possession" and the otherwise strong, powerful woman breaking all the pre-set character restraints and boundaries, wanting it - despite being written for pages and pages as exactly the sort of woman who would gut a cheap second-hander who lacked the brio and wit to purchase her in a "masterful, contemptuous" corporate negotiation.
I doubt even Harlequin editors would let that tripe through to the galleys.
As to the opening slight, when you compare the forces dedicated to the tasks, a handful of woodcarvers and fishermen plus one scholar over a few decades vs. the entirety of Israel's religious establishment labouring for a few hundred years,
New Testament's a'right
The Christians/TDS
shhe wander'd in on 'er planks over the galley of io z , wondering if 'toast had any riz breaded nugs filled with hazel , morning , .. pen jack, i was in the office of a friend up at uoft here , he had a comic drawing on his wall .. of a father helping his son pack for college ,.. saying something of .. needing to let go of those rand books now to the son .. ,i laughed ..weee ,a little , and asked my friend what that was all about for him .. and he said if another young man comes in here when all he has read is rand... i'm leaving .. .
Wow, IOZ, I didn't realize you were so anti-life.
Agree that there's something to The Fountainhead, but recent revelations of Ayn's sociopath worship make me suspect that the Roarke we know is the watered-down version of a prototypical serial killing Sadist.
I heard the Atlas Shrugged movie was boring, but on the chance it's like you describe I want to queue it up.
paul sherrard, .. the sociapath worship, sadist , ..is pure ayn/alice ,of the writing , ..but where she got her ideas, that io z may be suggesting at of theology, (of what i suggest at ..of from others .. above ).. i will say a little of at some point in the day .. ./ and something of the shrugged ad'ing at the side of my gmail pg as well .. .
I guess if I can hook up some pure DXM or K in the near fyooch I'll watch it.
Our correspondent from The Land of Fake Feminism, Mr Jonathan Krogh, continues to find difficulty in parsing reality and fiction.
Wheat from chaff, Jackie. Wheat from chaff.
WHOIZ suprised oxykarltin is a Randian?
i wanted to leave a comment here on some essays that i read in my teens that came out about ten years before ayn published her first book , .. but ..he pens karl.. HAS LEFT NO AIR .. FOR THE OTHERS HERE TO BREATHE .. in his need to follow.. he pens jack .. .
anne... do you;;;;; ever,,,, shut!!! up????
yes i'm very quiet and talk very little .. . / sorry about your being too slow to figure that out .. .
IOZ you were totally overdue for one of these clusterfuck comments pages. its usually a quarterly thing around here, but i think its been at least two since the last one. please don't quit on us again, i couldn't do without my quarterly clusterfuck again.
anne, can I have your password so that I can log in as you and post meandering questions that upset the nameless whenever you're asleep?*
*For God's sake, I'm just kidding. Don't give it to me.
Anne has a very tiny chin. I wonder what phrenology would say about that.
.. . morning, .. my chin is not tiny ,of phrenology.. , part of why i said of isabella of angouleme stoned to io z ,of that just one angle , of all that a photo is of , too still , if you up size it in a way that you can not in the way that they give you there,but is easy enough to do , to a page size.. you can better see the shape of my quiet face , ,,in this not 'ether , of ethereal .. .
and of isabella of angouleme stoned, grave, .. and of the grave expression , looking solemn in a way that it is not when you up size it ..
and to the anonymous ,9,58, last evening , .. what is wrong with my responding to comments more on just this post ? , .. i am getting polite responses back ,.. if not here than by mail ,.. from all but pen jack , who i do not know , and i left the comment for davidly here and not in our talking by mail ,.. . in always knowing of the importance of hearing the tone of a voice to hear it at all ..
WHOIZ suprised oxykarltin is a Randian?
Not surprised that a Nonny Mouse can't see what's clearly expressed there.
I'm not a Randian. I'm talking about Phony Crow's harangue that is essentially about Phony Crow self-promoting his fake feminism.
I don't have to be a Rand fan to know that someone writing about a rape isn't the same as endorsing or encouraging the rape, because fiction isn't always properly devolved to Someone's Gender Politics.
Which is what makes Phony Crow so phony. Which you'd dig if you could dig.
Neither A nor B is a prescriptivist? Kell supreez.
Disapproving of poorly drawn rape scenes means you're a (fake) feminist. Got it.
Man, these threads are great in exactly the way that being trapped at a party with all of you would not be.
Nutella - you remind me of a 19th century well-bred mademoiselle who's come upon a young men's swimming party on the Thames and pretends to be all flustered with all kinds of protestations, all the while peeping thru your fan ...
Whatever puts lead in yr pencil, EL
Well, since nothing else is going on here of any significance, let's nominate our favorite euphemisms, to be voted on by the commentariat after we have 10 or so.
My all time favorite is "cut the cheese".
I can be sitting at my desk and say to myself "Who cut the cheese?" and I'll start chuckling unconrollably.
It's just a very funnny euphemism, and one that should be appreciated by the gourmands here as well as the gourwomands ...
And who let the cookie jar opened?
I hope you're happy with E.L.'s spazzing all over the thread!
only if cut the cheese means of a cheesey comment , oh eer of corny again .. . , / .. i've opened a wee shacking made from my galley planks/cafe/ setting here .. in the alley way .. i'm calling it .. a bar for love .. , i'll let ontoast/ mostly an expressionless face/but with a slight temper/ with hazel .., sit on one of the he's not a shaker benches .. . with his fan , said well bred
Poor Oxtrot, missing entirely the Hickman reference.
Careful, Jack. As a Manly Man, Oxtrot will stride over and put some whoopass on you. Be very afraid, man. He is a LIBERATED MAN. LOL
Working as a lawyer for Walmart does make a man aggressive with self-loathing...
@3:39 eerily, that was brilliant. Especially if the bodies involved are all pasty, hairy British ones, sort of like the suspects in any given Poirot experience.
@H_A@11:29pm -
Running with your allusion a little, how about any given Maigret experience?
I'm curious if you, as a woman, find Simenon's stuff less readable than Christie's because Maigret generally finds that a weak man is his proximate culprit, but that some type of domineering woman is the actual "prime mover" ...
morning , eerily ( too focused in what you read and how ), but , i have a query , .. . when i was sorting through some ..papery .. with my cousin christopher yesterday ,in dealing with an uncle.. passing , christopher and i are.. the two that spent the most time with him ,/ the query , of the group of writers more 'bury than blooms , who do you imagine ayn had directly taken from .. in her poorly written translations .. . ,note that i say huxley's neighbour not huxley above ..
OK, I saw about an hour of the Atlas Shrugged movie last night. Dagny's a total babe; think Beverly D'Angelo meets Juliane Moore. Hubba hubba. Plus she keeps batting her eyelashes and smiling flirtatiously, sanctioning the life of man qua man by giving him a boner, I guess. The guy who plays Jim Taggart plays him as James Franco meets Gob Bluth. Hank Reardon is Don Draper meets Richard Gere; Hank's brother is the slimy mogul's brother from Twin Peaks; Wesley Mouch is the scary taciturn "made" guy in every mafia movie.
About a half hour in I said "Hey, nobody smokes!" It's true. Except for the hamburger sandwich guy, whose cigarette has a big puffy gold ghetto-looking dollar sign---not the kind of dollar sign you pictured, by the way, stark and discreet in a dignified charcoal Pall Mall font, but a block-script gold leaf atrocity, the kind of thing Nicki Minaj would wear as a belt buckle---not one character has lit up. GTFO. That is freaking sacrilege, as Murray Rothbard could tell you.
This movie is exactly what you'd expect from the aesthetic judgment of grown adults who aspire to make an Ayn Rand film. It's funny.
anne -
I think Paul Sherrard has said it all here:
"This movie is exactly what you'd expect from the aesthetic judgment of grown adults who aspire to make an Ayn Rand film. It's funny."
In other words - I can't answer your question because I've never thought seriously about Alice Rosenbaum (aka Ayn Rand) even for a second.
If you were old enough to have seen Nathan Blumenthal's (aka Nathaniel Brandon's) ragtag group of "Objective Realists" hawking their "newspaper" on the NE corner of NYC's Washington Square Park in Greenwich Village come rain, sun, snow, or sleet, you'd know why I feel this way.
If you don't know Errol Flynn's story about the ducks in Australia, try to find out about it ...
And DON'T ever be a duck ... because you can't digest caramel ...
your saying duck makes me think of groucho , .. back to something of the sky .. .
..of your saying ..if you were old enough , yes i haven't been kicking the ground softly as long as you have , but my mind is ancient ..of something of seeing ..
.. , the ancient idea of having something of a festive garland around the house was not errol's .. , but cruel yes .. .
I see you've been Googling, Anne:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100213095051AA84ZBs
Naughty naughty.
no eerily , i had not looked at that .. , i am in my papery .. .
el,
what is teh googling?
something to do with specs ?
EL, you are uniquely awful. You remind me of nothing else. The discomfort you induce can be likened to having a q-tip stuck into your urethra during a VD check only in that it's indescribably unsettling.
The difference, of course, is that the usefulness of a VD test is entirely unlike the marvel that you create. For it is easily believable that a VD test must exist, but you, not so much. Why are you, EL? From whence has such interminable dullness convinced of its beautiful cleverness spring? Why, EL, do you think that the world needs so much of you?
I am fairly certain, Nutella, that that lengthy riposte was prompted not so much by my post, but by High_Arka's evaluation of it.
So here's what I will do.
If, in the next two hours, no one else posts that your riposte was brilliant, I will do so myself.
It's the least I can do, don't you think?
to anne,
lol on the specs.
oh, and to save el the troubles, nut, your "riposte" (?) was (is?) brilliant.
(Dear Eerily, this one's never read Maigret, but finds Christie, and the rest of the pointless serial killers, sickening indications of the emptiness that still haunts the fallen empires. And, of course, as much bald, vulgar, old-fashioned racism and sexism as to remind us of an era when Saurs was not only necessary, but right. Dickens and Thackeray had soul and purpose behind their horrors, while the murder charlatans even at their highest points were and are only the Michael Bays of words.)
arka,
don't encourage him. you need to trust me on this.
Somebody needs to stop encouraging Arka.
And Neither A nor B inadvertently (?) reveals he's never actually read any Christie, but he sure does recognize a feminazi when he (doesn't) read one. Interesting development.
If that cryptic, crippled trio of sentences has been deciphered correctly, what you're missing is that Christie is actually patriarchal in perspective, which this one found offensive. If the point was missed, then please to explain?
(and puppy, what happens? does he hack your credit rating when properly questioned, or what?)
to H_A@9:11pm -
Thanks for that comment on the outright McCarthyism which one suprisingly finds exhibited by some members of the commentariat here.
Puppylander will of course never tell you why should "trust him", much as Tailgunner Joe never showed us the list in his briefcase, nor Allen West the evidence for his charge, to cite a more recent example.
And your scorn will of course never keep the Puppylanders of the commentariat from continuing to use rancid old tactics they would normally decry ... it's a very odd and very persistent aspect of web sociodynamics that I've encountered in many other places.
BTW - interesting take on Christie - I see exactly what you mean now that youv'e said it, but I have to confess that when I read her, I never "deconstructed" her while doing so.
Re your phrase "the horrors of fallen empires" or whatever it was, it brings to mind EP's "Hugh Selwyn Mauberly":
http://www.americanpoems.com/poets/ezrapound/16155
and in particular the opening lines of V:
"
There died a myriad,
And of the best, among them,
For an old bitch gone in the teeth,
For a botched civilization.
Charm, smiling at the good mouth,
Quick eyes gone under earth's lid,
For two gross of broken statues,
For a few thousand battered books."
EL, you are wise not to let Marple throw you off that track. Only a fortnight ago, I witnessed Poirot demeaning a woman for pinning her child abuse on her well-educated medical professor husband, then plotting to pin the murder either on him, or on a different well-educated doctor who was fifty, handsome (as Christie-derived casts go...shudder), silver of firm brow, and a thorough provider.
Thanks to the intervention of the worldly bachelor Poirot, the woman was given the death penalty, freeing the squabbling, money-wasting, but really a good guy--in a Prince Harry way, perhaps--nephew who'd been set up as the second or third of the red herrings.
puppylander has been most kind and insightful at other occasions, in this one's short time here; wasn't he, at one time, accused of being either you, me, that Leonard chap, or, God help him, an anonymous? Without putting words in his mouth, perhaps he might forgive you your transgressions, or at the least help this one understand them, in the hopes that you would do the same.
Also, what's your birthday? This one shall remain standing behind Leo influence on our loudly silent host, but hasn't gone that road with others, save vanishingly mercurial nonnies.
(That last part will help science-ologists more easily dismiss this one, just in case they needed any more help!)
Arka, why the befuddlement? Where's the offense? Neither A nor B believes Simenon makes his women harridans and temptresses, and that Christie does not. Even a cursory examination of her Greatest Hits proves this false. So he's never read them, but is content to compliment (or damn) them both back-handedly and cack-handedly.
this has become the most boring place on the internet, save for ioz's infrequent posts. thank you leonard, arka, and EL for shitting on a perfectly good parade. the floor is yours.
If you'll do a search, you'll find out that Leonard only posted once, while his presence was so strong that he was referred to several times more.
Thank you for adding to the citation of his name. What we need around here is more mentions of Leonard, and less on-topic discussion.
Let's do this one's part: Leonard. Leonard. Leonard. Leonardo. Leonardo da Vi...okay, I swear, that was an accident. Backing up: Leonard. Leonard. Leonard...
Okay, is that enough? Really, it was an accident. Apparently, I type "da Vinci" so much in the course of an ordinary day, it just came to my fingers.
@2:09 anonymous, my problem seems to be in not figuring out what "A" and "B" represent. Many happy returns!
arka,
4:41 AM friday night, jesus you're a fucking loser
I never thought I'd miss idiots like Mr Fun, but Anne, Chareerily, and Arka have made it happen. Thanks, you pieces of shit, for making the comments unreadable. Die, wouldja?
I can't speak for Arka or anne, but as I've said many times here before ... all it would take for me to cease and desist posting here is a comment from M'sieur asking me to do same.
In the absence of such a request from the host, I can't really be troubled by the insecurities of the lumpenprole-commentariat
morning , mid, .. anonymous, a number , 8,24, .. if you come back around , what is it that you would like to see more of in the flow of .., link to a sampling of something from the past that you enjoyed here ,. said always a make peace, not thackeray, / i am amused by these miscommunications ,of here , and my politics are out in the streets ,where they should be , in living .. .
Anne was charming when she first came around, but at some point she became the long winded nonsense she is today. Perhaps it was EL and HA's influence? I do start to wonder if the sock puppet people aren't right. Otherwise, it would appear that long winded self important nonsense is more archetype than peculiarity. That would be sad.
These comments have always been stupid, but at least it was a pithy, Lebowski laced stupid. I do miss those days.
toast, i am someone who speaks very little , as i suggest above , and of what my wording also suggests , but i know that your mind is very different from my own , ..i like all of the very different of all .., and i am not self important , ..i enjoy the mis' here as i say , but i enjoy hearing what all of you have to say as well, / and .. of why i'm here ..drugs, the sucre in the sauce .., / and remember that no caps are easy to not read ,pass, not the trip over of caps .. .
It just occurred to me what's actually going on here.
Gentrification always breeds resentment, no ?
no eer that's not it , .. said the girl that was annoyed .. . with emily carr drawing too much from the more native of this land ,..and not focusing more on her heavily ,of wooded ..with chapel .. ( L foot note, for mistah, and mark c, and freddy , ..on tvont a few nights ago , type in emily carr tvo ,)
it is of something of .. gent rification , .. if it is of trying to make us all common .. of the same ,
I am lonely
I didn't ask you to leave, Eerily, I asked you to die. Please?
anne reminds me a small bit of my writing to myself that no one else ever sees. we share a distaste for capitals it seems in any case
our monsieur is nearly a week removed, it's expected that the latest comment thread would get overlong. in this particular case i don't think leo deserves any abuse hurled at him, he probably had the best comment anyway.
Does your arrogance never end? You're the toff in this scenario?
eerily,
do you have to call everyone who hates you (read: everyone) poor? unbecoming of such a classy guy...
I liked it better when anne didn't try to make sense. It's more fun to read through ethereal mist than it is to try to comprehend how someone who has posted 50 times in this thread alone, often back to back, could say that they don't talk very much.
the brevity of each .. .
in scrolling back up .. i can tell you who the only two are that talk a lot ,you and resp. .. .
nonnys@327,345 and 417 -
You're really going to have to stop jumping out of the river like that ... my creel is almost full.
Due for a little reverse gentrification if you know what I mean. The cleverness of simulating the rantings of a schizophrenic are diminished by the realization that the writer is indeed afflicted. Toodles...
anne, please go back to being infrequent and enigmatic. it gave us all such a boner.
i will toast , it was something of the ayn that i wanted to address here ,.. . but never really got to beyond a few suggests , and then i was just responding to comments made to me, and of , .. .of how it went on.. . but each comment that i make is of brevity , of how much it is telling with very few words, of more than a figure of speech on refiguring , and there are some reading here that i talk with by mail that know more of there meaning . .. , and also remember this is over a weeks time .. . so really not that much at all , i am mostly quiet in living my life , if you up size the photo of my face to the sizing of a larger page to see beyond the water marks , you can see that quiet ,and that it's not really a sad face but one with a tiny grin of pleasure ,and of why i put the photo there it is telling of something of that extreme of feminine that i mentioned before but was misunderstood , .. ./ thank you for talking to me here this time of the last comment and not about ..like i'm in a jar .. .
Women exist for my benefit! Me!
oh i'm a churchmouse
and i'm the chapel .., shhe said on returning from gathering dandy roars for 'er meal.. ,
"I can't speak for Arka or anne, but as I've said many times here before ... all it would take for me to cease and desist posting here is a comment from M'sieur asking me to do same."
I think "No Revoir" is about as close as he'll come to telling you that less is more, and in your case that a little is too much.
to nonny @3:41:
Quite the anarachist's dilemma, no?
People familiar with the innards of the MIT Department Of Linguistics (and Philosophy) sometimes wonder why Chomsky didn't do more to prevent his own department from growing an internal "generative semanticist" cancer during the early 70's (i.e. a "5th column" of asshole Lakoff-ites.)
But how, as acommitted anarcho-syndicalist, could he have done so in good conscience?
(If you think I'm goading M'sieur here, I am a little.)
Irony exists for my benefit. Women tend to be further off.
hazel spreading on toast man, .. remember my last talking at some length of commenting , something of a gentle frustration ,on another time when ioz was away for a few days , .. on getting caught on some compare of ioz blowing his horn,away , and another's play on that , of a driver , and then my making some compares in my odd ways , on his setting in that suggest compared to my own , of what a lovely disabled wom'n does to get a lift/drive , (and of hard drive, and soft ) .. because h er physical disability has h er in a place of not being able .. to drive h erself , when sh e needs to get somewhere further .. of away , and you made note of your puzzled in the commenting , then eerily came in to rescue me with e e cumming as an anonymous, .. ?
the rescue was something of ..e e cummings , but the poet another .. .
Are you asking me for a ride somewhere? Stop objectifying me.
demize, .. are you schizophrenic ?,(this is not a dig , the loveliest man that i have ever met in my life time was something of the varying of that condition , of mind ) you are the only one here that shows signs of .. that you may be , or are you using the word .. in a way that is a ..new word ..verbing .. ?
toast, no , no ride, ..i don't mean to objectify , how is it that you are thinking that ?
toast, i hope that was a tease , .. your mind would be/ or is ..a baffling too literal to my own if not .. .
I'm never ironic.
Notice that Nutella has now joined the young men's swimming party whole-heartedly, though still peeping thru his fan, of course.
Clearly Pathological- "You're about as welcome as a mouthful of leprous cock."
eerily ,.. something of .. but i don't imagine whole-hearted are the hearts of the others in the pooling , so how can he be .. 'ly / and why is someone that has been talking of me like i'm in a jar all along ,over this past year , now suggesting that i objectify him , ..please eerily help me out on that one ..i'm lost .. .
Oh boy Eerily, tell us that story of how you shared an elevator with Chomsky once more, you monotonous, boring fuck.
re post @3:19pm by nonny:
there's a back story to this post, and if anyone is interested in hearing it, I'll be happy to share.
But ... someone has to ask first.
Eerily, you should consider that you're more freak show than peep show.
Nearly Scatological - You make it just too damned easy.
Why is it so fun to be verbally cruel to that particular entity? Do you come here to discuss meaningful things with other human beings, or to obtain a brief high from insulting someone unpopular?
Shame and empathy would do much good here.
IOZ, your wonderful prose may yet have a positive impact on a larger percentage of the world's population, but here among this smaller community of people who respect you, you have a rare opportunity: an opportunity to speak as a voice of compassion and understanding, and guide angry adherents toward being just a little more patient, helpful, and kind toward someone who has done something unpopular in the past and does not fit in now.
Even if Mr. Eerily is actually a leper, why not prove yourself a saint, and lead your friends to a brighter future?
H_A:
As I pointed out in an earlier post within this thread, M'sieur could never do what you suggest.
He's an anarchist.
So he's got to let the community work it out on its own.
But really - much as I appreciate your kind words, they're entirely unnecessary. The Web is full of people who like the Web because it afford them the luxury of the illusion that they're intelligent.
So of course they're resentful when they have to compare themselves to the real deal.
ark a ,h. , i had a quick look over to see what you were talking on ,on your pg .. on the weekend , i do that sometimes when you are quiet here , so i know that you are likely on something of writing , and thoughts on ,my looking is always quick as i've suggested , because that is all that life ,living allows ,as i've suggested to you before with my of brev. queries there , .. , and i say quick because i wasn't able to read well , just while in the middle of doing chores , but i saw that it was something of different types of minds, / i tried to say something first to pen jack on his pg , then here , a while back , of an elderly man here that i knew ,bertram brockhouse , .. spent some time talking with in his last years , and about something of this of the soft tissue contained in the skull, -also a man by the name of milgilchrist , .. i heard a little of something that he had to say a few weeks ago , on .. how the left handed .. right of soft tissue connected .. can see something of the right handed/ left tissue connected .. that the right handed left can not of the left handed .. . right ,of the mind , ..said very left handed ... ., .. . of something that is happening here , on io z .. of gents,dude ranching , , and of what a high social standing really is , of something of what eerily said,suggests ,and i responded to in some way above .. .
HA, why do you refuse to listen to the multitude of feedback about your input and curb it the fuck down? You're being just as inconsiderate as the cruel ones. Fall backwards off your high horse and then stop talking, forever.
arka,
i am being saintly when i advise you against encouraging him. it's not necessarily for him that i make the suggestion. it's more for you.
your generosity will be wasted on this heroic redemption fantasy. there's no paying it forward here. the kindness you show will not propagate outward. there's a neurosis at work here, one that will twist and transform your kindness into a personal confirmation to validate future bad acts.
ever thus. (you won't need me to reach back into the 5-10 years contact i've had with him. you can feel it in his response above. do you hear it? strangely conspiratorial, manipulative, loyalty-pledging, whispering. can you picture it? wormtongue, writ human.)
Oh dear, H_A ... I'm afraid you've let down the side ...
It will be interesting to see what you choose to do about it, if anything.
there it is again.
"it will be interesting to see what you choose to do about it, if anything."
on a quick glance, it's a purposeless, tautological statement--but it sets a frame--the suggestion of "it"--and, it's the gentle, guiding grip on an elbow--the kind you don't encouter but in real life with gladhanders.
scan back--"us" (intelligent)--"them" (pretenders). whisper, hushed tones.
uppylander -
Over the weekend, AMC played The Third Man.
You're playing Holly Martin.
I'm playing Harry Lime.
What I realize and you don't is that High_Arka is playing Anna Schmidt.
Regardless of what she thinks of me, she will walk right by you down any avenue of autumn trees on which you're waiting, hoping she'll stop ...
And M'sieur? He's playing Doctor "Vinkle" - he hass no opinion ...
Hey Arka, isn't there a kid being bullied somewhere that you can go save? Fuck you and your new age bleeding heart self-aggrandizement.
Can someone please archive this thread as an archetype, an icon, of internet comment lusterfuckery? Amazing. Just amazing stuff here.
Can someone please archive this thread as an archetype, an icon, of internet comment lusterfuckery? Amazing. Just amazing stuff here.
I meant to tell you, anne - nice pun on "gen-trificarion".
I meant it in the usual way - that High Arka and I are gentrifying the place.
But you turned it around and pointed out that the lumpencommentariat here are trying to reduce us all to the lowest common denominator ... to make us the same in that way ...
That is, from the same "clan" or "stock", to use the original meaning of Latin "gens".
puppy, EL, nutella, nonnies, anyone
high.arka@gmail.com
you should've killed me last winter
LE
there's nothing to email. everything you need to see (to make an informed decision) can be found above.
e.l., no need to resort to fictions. this has already played out before... when i played the role of arka, gregor played the role of me (but he was always classier), and you were you.
If I gave a shit, puppylander, about who you were, I would be at a distinct disadvantage, inasmuch as you know who I was.
But really - you should remember the conclusion Ophelia reached right before she found peace beneath the osier (willow to you):
"Lord, we know what we are, but not what we may be!"
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