Never, never have I so desperately wanted a window to break.
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Never, never have I so desperately wanted a window to break.
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It's just cruel to tempt a nice lioness with such a tasty morsel dressed like a zebra.
gooby pls
Seems like a clear case of animal abuse to us.
It would have been so lovely to hear those smug voices turn to screams of horror.
Anyone beside me remember the Ray Bradbury sci-fi story about the kids way in the future who tempt their parents into their "living diorama" of an African veldt and then slip back into the living room while the lions do their thing on Dad and Mom?
Great story ...
Aww! So kyoot! The wioness wanna give the baby a big kiss! Sqwee! Awwwww!
Remember when those kids at the San Francisco zoo were taunting the tiger? Then it got so pissed it jumped out of its enclosure and killed them?
This give me an opportunity to give the link to Joe Rogan on the tiger attack in SF. I haven't laughed at something so much since I first heard Judy Gold at the Yuk Factory:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgj5gv_joe-rogan-tiger_animals
Ioz -- thanks for posting this. For some reason, the smug family in the viddy got me thinking of good old Hobbes so I fired up my laptop http://frustratedhypocrite.wordpress.com/2012/05/03/avideometaphorforoccupy/
fh, "insatiable thirst for power is the primary human characteristic and self-knowledge of that power-hunger is the root of civilizing fear and paranoia." or is it the other way around?
puppylander -- why be fearful if there is no power-thirst? that question makes more sense than: why be power-thirsty if there is now fear. Right?
i could be wrong. maybe its a chicken or the egg scenario?
oops *now = no
In this day and age I'm wondering if the glass breaks, do they continue filming?
Yeah, I watched junior get mauled to death, but can you believe five million hits on Youtube?
"That's, like, almost not cool."
accualy is dolan
You wish death on a child in order to punish the parents?
Me, I'd like to see someone bust a cap between Elsa's ears, strip the choice cuts and leave the rest of her there to rot. Not exactly cage-free meat, but....
Arka, you forgot "innocent".
THEY'RE GONNA KILL THAT POOR WOMAN.
Obama/Romney 2012
Children Were The Future
"We're not the future we're just the children in the past."
-Ian Anderson
Hey, EL. Scroll down to Episode 43. Nice old school radio
adaptation of the Bradbury story.
http://archive.org/details/OTRR_Dimension_X_Singles
fh, just noting that it makes more sense to think of fear as motivating grabs for power. (uncertainty being the natural state. fear being the emotion engendered by uncertainty. order being one way to curb uncertainty. power being what you need to create/preserve order.)
puppylander .. that makes sense. i guess my only point is that power-grabs define Hobbesian though on human nature and we often think of human nature questions as the primary question in political theory. you're points are well-thought-out, though. i think chicken-egg is apt.
"Never, never have I so desperately wanted a window to break."
Man, you're one sick mother fucker!
Nony, that was very insensitive. IOZ being of the gay tribe, it is politically correct to insult him by calling him a father fucker.
The broken window phallacy
happy jack,
Without a doubt. And it'd be good for a fortnight of pious fraud on the morning telly shows.
You wish death on a child in order to punish the parents?
Lighten up, HA. Herr Monsieur just wants the darling child to escape. Once Simba got a look at the size of the camera mongers, there's no doubt who lunch would've been.
@EL: He did milk The Veldt for all it was worth. Even adapted of version from The Illustrated Man for Rod Steiger, which was pretty good, actually.
Back on topic: I'm sick of being made to feel guilty for rooting for the Lions.
Tigress was just looking for all the beauty they possess inside, like Whitney said.
And giving the kid a sense of pride, as it were.
LP Steve - thanks for that link ...
when I fly into DCA every Sunday night and drive to Annapolis, there's a station (AMU? 98.5) that does old-time radio all evening. Always been great stuff - you know who died recently? Norman Corwin.Cary Grant's "Once Upon a Time" was made from Corwin's play "My friend Curley" ...
http://www.carygrant.net/reviews/time.html
His Lonesome Train was corny as hell but still somehow worked
http://www.myoldradio.com/old-radio-episodes/columbia-presents-corwin-lonesome-train/1
Anyway, enough of this ...
davidly - yeah ol' Rod Steiger - an actor's actor - like Nicholson and Burton, came to rely on shtik too much, but befofe they did, they were superb ...
Ackshully, lionesses will go for the smaller target even if bigger ones are present. This one saw four lionesses finish a single fool once, rather than hopping on three pudgy nearby tourists, who could've easily been caught before reaching the jeep. 'Sides, it takes masculinity to want to be trod under an elephant while attempting to bite its balls off and earn a larger meal. She who does the killing and dragging understands the value of small prey.
But yeah, haha, wouldn't it be funny if a little kid got eaten because its parents were assholes. This is America, lighten up, thicken up, laugh it up, and if you're only joking about dead babies it's all good fun for everyone.
Leonard @ 4:36 pm...
Motherfucker, fatherfucker, whatever...IOZ's sexual orientation doesn't interest me in the least. It's his prose; which has been exposed in public for too long. It's retracted, weary and desensitized. I wonder if he can still see his dick below his swinish gut.
Don't look now, but your semi is out of place.
Gosh, Arka, are you worried that if too many people give voice to such hateful thoughts, the negative vibrations will change the molecular structure of space/time and cause just such an event to actualize? Fuck off.
Haha, so then I saw this chick at the restaurant, and she was talking SO loudly on her cell phone, and like, I never wanted so badly for someone's husband to just beat the shit out of them before in my life!
And then she went on a date with this guy and wouldn't sleep with him! Can you believe it? Even though he bought her the appetizer AND the dessert, too! I never wanted so bad for him to drug her and rape her in my life.
What? Oh, that's not cool?
Well then, return to poking fun at the little chattel non-persons without any legal autonomy or such. This is America, lighten up, thicken up, laugh it up, and if you're only joking about dead babies it's all good fun for everyone.
Like, why did you think I was being sarcastic? I really did want you to just go on laughing. Because there aren't people out there who get sick and horrified at the thought of adults laughing about how funny it would be if young children died.
Arka, are you high? No your straw woman is not funny, but not for your politically correct reasons. It's not funny because the imagined offense is not properly disproportionate to the imagined punishment. This is about hyperbole.
BTW, your use of "them" for a singular woman is quite jarring. It really harshes my mellow.
Me, I didn't think you were being sarcastic. I thought you were being holier than thou, and evidently I was right. Not that there's anything wrong with that! -- other being a buzzkill. Hence my response yesterday. Hint: there was no actual innocent dead baby. If there was, people would be horrified. Meanwhile, there are actual parents who put their innocent baby out to bait a lion.
One more thing: lighten up, thicken up, laugh it up, and if you're only joking... it's all good fun for everyone.
HA
Words cannot describe
So one day I saw High Arka post inane crap on a blog, and I totally wished an airplane had crashed into her sublet, causing her brains to squirt over her Apple products.
I check in on this blog periodically to see if it's still full of hipster dipshits. And yeah... it still is.
Arka, you only hang out here because it gives you a twisted thrill to imagine yourself as a martyr suffering through all this filth and depravity for the sake of saving everyone's soul and turning them to goodness and light. You can prove me wrong by fucking off and never returning.
i think it's great to see people showing true colors.
difficult, isn't it, to "not be a jerk"?
The way High Arka does a Gepetto on you Pinocchios is pretty damned funny. Suddenly stern-ness is in the air and condemnation of decorum-breaches is the sport of the day.
11:11 nonny has the score written.
As a person of sociopathic persuasion that genuinely wanted the glass to break, I'm offended that you would jokingly pretend to want the glass to break. The safety of small children is no laughter. Everyday hundreds of children go safe when they could be being eaten by lionesses, garnering hundreds of millions of hits on youtube.
shhe steps in ..putting 'er frail delicious body between the pure beauty of the beast and the child, .. they arrest 'er / ,i saw this on passing a telly in a shop window last evening , it must bigG news,
be
toasty, we seem to take breaks at the same time , maybe we should plan some on line walks .. .
Ox trots...
You ought to examine yourself more critically else you remain literally as well as colloquially schizophrenic.
Remember when that kid fell into the gorilla cage at the zoo and the chick gorilla protected the child from the other gorillas? It would have been cool if it tore the kids arms and legs off and they used the remains like a toy football.
1:07, I regret that your intellectual inadequacies prevent you from seeing the difference between a perspective offered in a comment, and whatever might be the current status of the commenter's mind, psyche, etc. It is truly a shame that you insist others must be what you project upon them, but shame it is and I'm sure you can't help being so narrowminded and ignorant.
My apathies are with you.
Thanks for the offer, Anne, but I'm pretty busy these days. Check back again in a few weeks.
there is a way to go for walks on line ! .. 'er mind wanders in wonders .. . ,
I don't know about hipster dipshits, but there are more dull sycophants here than just the one. Eerily turns every comment thread into his own off-off-off Broadway production of Acconci's Seedbed.
p, I will yet save your soul. I might need it later on.
Leonard, the child bitten through the back of the neck and killed has been harmed "worse" than a woman merely getting beaten by her husband. Rule of thumb and all. If it was hyperbole, I would've used Jack's forklift example.
Also, the child is presumably more innocent than the woman, who was being an annoying bitch slut blabbermouth who was asking for it. This is funny! Wishing violence is so funny as long as everyone knows you really don't mean it. It is with great reservation that I call upon our armed forces to beat my husband.
I would be amused if I was the parents taking the video too. (If they had placed the kid there intentionally to tantalize the kitty that would be a little more twisted.) I don't take the natural sympathy here for the kitty to be at the expense of the "smug" parents.
If it were a grown woman on the other side of that glass, you guys would be pushing each other down the stairs to be the first to scream about how sexist IOZ was, how patriarchal western culture is, and how inappropriate it is to wish violence upon a woman, given the long and sordid yada yada.
Sweet Jesus, is Arka still commenting here? This is why we can't have nice things.
Is High Arka trying to use snark as a counterargument to the idea that a child getting mauled by a tiger might rank higher on the list of awful things than a woman getting slapped around? Because, um, neither one is good, if we take human sovereignty as a given, but since the human mind is capable of ranking different things based on various criteria, it seems obvious on most people's internal cheat sheet that the tiger mauling is worse, to anyone who doesn't think that a woman getting a black eye is worse than a baby getting killed. What ranks way way below either of those things actually happening is anyone on a blog who makes a comment that contains violent imagery, since imaginary violence is always much less harmful than real violence, by, um, definition. It is harder to rank the different kinds of imaginary violence, given that it is all imaginary (like comparing one 0 to another 0). This seems obvious, so maybe I am misunderstanding her.
Could someone spell it out for me, preferably using a quote from a movie?
I don't think its got anything to do with one being worse than the other, just they're both bad and that Ioz et al. are a bunch of hypocrites for laughing at one and not the other.
but that's not exactly a stunning form of hypocrisy. most people think children are property, even if they don't believe in property.
It amuses me to think of the kid using this as ammunition when he's an angry teenager.
Arka, you imbecile, judging by your 6:35 comment, you seem to have this comment section confused with Shakesville. Why don't you go hang out there for a while?
Poor 8:43 nonny can't see that the difference between Shake-A-Puddin's comment threads and Chez IOZ's comment threads is merely the dominant gender of the posting commenter. The general theme of "I'm more encultured than all you heathen out there who aren't posting in full agreement with my comments" dominates the attitudes of people posting at both places.
Biggest difference is IOZ can write, where as Puddin' can't. But the comment threads and their focus on I'm-so-victimized / XX-are-so-victimized hardly differ. At all.
Good thing we got superintendent Karl on the beat to show us the straight and narrow...you fuckin' flatfoot.
oH,I Don't know .. , kfoch has captured something of.. there ..with what he has written , said high arch,bare footed.. .
i mean of what happens , of gang up grouping , i addressed this a little in my comments on pen jack's last post .. .of how his regular followers there are ../ and i was thinking of you kf' ,on something that i have noted you mention about jack a few times before ..in my first line on my last comment , jack may not know that i was teasing on that and how .. .
@nonny 8:43, thank you for encouraging this one to google that site. That arch toad thing's procedural guidelines were so condescending that the experience made the curt insults and breezy rudeness around here seem pleasant by comparison.
Once again, someone calls us all rude and we wonder what the proper way to act is. The problem is not of a horse, but upon which horse to sit! Mine is better than yours!
h_a @ 4:38
You go girl.
I'm gonna start callin you "Nugenta on Toast".
so fucking depressing reading ioz threads these days. the same pissing match, between the same four people, over and over again.
arka et al frequently belittle the nonys around here (for the lack of -- something?), but truly it's the (very) small army of self-aggrandizing pseudonyms who've killed any possibility for meaningful, or at least enjoyable, conversation here.
and yes, arka and EL, this is another passing insult from someone who finds you intolerable. you'll certainly be capable of deriding my intellect, or character, or whatever you wish. (you are deft of phrase, in spite of your narrowness.)
but your clever derision has no bearing on the fact that you are intolerable, smug, sanctimonious, and humorless personalities.
go the fuck away.
"[C]lever"? Talk about sockpuppeting to keep all eyes on you.
This one only came here at first to cleverly deride IOZ for the "it's funny if baby dies" thing. (In hindsight, something should've been said about cheese graters.)
Or is the big joke here that all the anonymi are really just IOZ? Eerily, is that an unwritten rule? This one's never navigated to the posting guidelines forum.
@8:27, are you the same Anonymous who previously demonstrated great affection for the word "aggrandize"? Or is it just a coincidence?
EL, care for some tea?
H_A @ 10:15 -
I would be truly surprised if any of the nonny's were M'sieur - it's just not his style.
For all the years he posted at Slate, he stayed completely above the nonensical sociodynamics that characterized that place.
Which is completely understandable - the guy's a fucking genius - he can play with any member of his commentariat as well as Hamlet played with Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, and he can do it a la Shakespeare or a la Stoppard (i.e. self-referentially or not.)
So why the fuck would he bother?
For my part, the only reason I burden the threads with allusory off-topic material is to remind M'sieur that he may be leading a wonderful life in many important respects (family, friends, lover, etc.), but he's not fulfilling his potential.
Which member of the lumpencommentriat has shown any inclindation to do same?
Anyway, the reason I gave you that "you go" is because I can tell you have what Neil Postman said that Hemingway said that everyone has to have - a working "shit-detector".
I may disagree with you or not on many specific points (or may not), but there's no question that you can smell web sociodynamic bullshit 100 yards UPwind of it.
Particularly the kind of web sociodynamics practitioners who feel that they have "evolved" beyond the need or desire to maintain a high profile.
To paraphrase John Steinbeck's sailor on the beach with his girl of the moment in "Cannery Row":
they can all go take a flying fuck at the moon ...
Jesus christ. If this is what culture brings I hope someone drowns culture in a 2 inch deep bathtub and forgets such a thing ever existed. the self-congratulations are deafening, you amazing internet personas, you.
@EL 11:21:
100 yards UPwind within the very same comment:
For my part, the only reason I burden the threads with allusory off-topic material is to remind M'sieur that he may be leading a wonderful life in many important respects (family, friends, lover, etc.), but he's not fulfilling his potential.
You reckon HA detected that?
morning , this would be a good time for io z to step in from his belly weekend and say you are making me feel a little awk ward dad to eerily .. .
davidly@8:15
Credit where credit is due, d-ly ... that was first-class snark.
But in fact, there is more truth than self-deception in what I said.
So far as I can tell, the only possible flaw in M'sieur's Weltanschauung derives from the fact that he should have gotten his PhD and THEN decided to start pissing on academia. (Or at least got as far as an ABD, like I did, so there would be no question about whether he could pass his comps or not.)
But not having "walked the walk", he leaves himself open to the question of whether he's really entitled to "talk the talk". (He could remedy this by getting some of his poetry published in legit outlets, or perhaps a couple of critical papers, again, like I did.)
So, the element of truth in my comment comes from the fact that my allusions really are a hint to M'sieur that the question is open as to whether he's really got game or not.
After handjobbing IOZ's genius, Mistah Eerily PhD ever-so-subtly appoints himself as the sensei who will help him develop his full potential. Your selflessness is astounding, you humble, self-effacing fuck. Truly we are honored to stand in your shadow as you pontificate at great length. Go slip off the stool while practicing your autoerotic asphyxiation.
nonny@11:04.
Yes yes, nonny - I confess. I am also Mr. Charley PhD.
And you are the walrus, goo goo g'gjoob.
And we all live in a yellow submarine.
Asshole.
please who is io z, .. put down your coke and what rides your belly and shut eerily up .. .
anne - I'm so glad you posted that.
If you hadn't changed sides by now, I'd be really worried ... it's critical not to be known by the wrong friends ...
eerily, .. . you miss so much . .. i'm not changing sides, i've never had a side .. .
HOLY FUCK, EL. IT IS NOT SOCIODYNAMICS. YOU JUST TALK TOO DAMN MUCH. DO A SIMPLE WORD COUNT.
Fuck, your posts number greater than most of our words.
IOZ, for the love of christ, he's said he'll piss off if you ask. PLEASE ASK.
nutella@4:28
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/the-bee-gees/words.html
Yes, I can barely make it through a comment of yours so I'm going to follow a link.
For the last time, NO ONE CARES.
GAWD, what is wrong with me that I bother?
toast, the too much is a different sort of too much .. of what he is saying here , when i say to shut him up ,please io z (when you roll over in your bedding tomorrow ) ,..i mean on what he keeps bringing up related to this ,- / eerily , it's lovely that you love and enjoy reading ioz's writing , but he has made it clear how he feels about schooling here in discussions on, ... and so on .., as i've said .. you miss so much ../, and of all that you imagine to be subtle and missed of your own ways and wording , it's not .. .
"it's just not his style"
Says who? His "style" is to avoid any substantive argument or response whatsoever under the name IOZ in order to preserve his too-cool-to-give-a-shit internet persona - even when he's made outright factual errors. That's a "style" that demonstrates childishness and intellectual bankruptcy in equal measure - neither of which are exactly incompatible with sockpuppetry.
Substantive argument and response? Wow! I thought I'd never find...!
/breathe
/breathe
Okay, Anon @8:05, the dialogues begin. (1) Is it funny to advocate a desire that someone be killed? (2) If so, what circumstances make it funny/acceptable?
arka said: "@8:27, are you the same Anonymous who previously demonstrated great affection for the word "aggrandize"?"
no, that was not me. maybe your frequent encounters with that word have another explanation...
@8:31 Yes, it's similar to why she doesn't find substantive argument and response so often.
It occurs to me that maybe EL and HA are the same person after all, since neither can conceive of themselves as being the cause of any of their myriad negative interactions. They can't be IOZ, though, as he clearly recognizes that he's an asshole.
Education, the human mind is a terrible thing to waste.
IOZ needs to be published in a legit poetry outlet in order to talk the talk? Should he also get himself banned from a few poetry sites, like you did?
He should have followed the same academic trail you blazed, and gotten a PHD, or at least gone as far as the doctoral threshold without actually crossing into PHDdom, like you did?
You're projecting, yet again. And if we take your projection to its illogical conclusion, the implication is that IOZ should follow your lead and set his sights on one day becoming an internet message board troll,a negative attention addict, and a social pariah, like you did.
You may feel like that's a life well spent but IOZ is still a young man, and I'm sure he has his sights set significantly higher than simply becoming a creepy old man, like you did.
to Schmutzie @ 9:28
I'm thinking of a rewrite of that great movie "While You were Sleeping".
In it, the second son finally breaks free and tells his family he wants to be the next Chagall and do stained glass ...
Let's do lunch and discuss ... I could probably get you on as a script adviser ...
How are you otherwise? Long time no chat ..
I already told you, rewrites are for people who lack originality.
But, if you feel you must rip off the work of other people, I can only reiterate my previous suggestion...and updated version of Rebel Without a Cause as told from Plato's POV. Picture IOZ in the role of Jim Stark. I'm sure you can throw yourself into that project with the same sort of smoldering but sadly unrequited man-lust that Mineo brought to the role.
Lunch? Sounds like something someone else might enjoy. Thanks anyway though.
, in my dreaming last night .. arka was ayn , . .. .
Maybe there's a third option, Arka. Maybe there is no universal law of humor. Maybe jokes can't be set up like math problems. Maybe you should just go get bent if you don't find something funny rather than try to hammer out a manifesto and force everyone to sign on, you fucking weirdo.
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