Wednesday, June 20, 2012

The Da Vinci Choad


If you stare long enough at a liberal, the squiggly lines often resolve into a picture of a newborn kitty cat.  Vide infra.  It's a crackpot teleology that inevitably ends up as a martial technocracy--Starfleet as the natural end state of a very boring social metamorphosis.  We must all join forces to solve insert pressing issue.  Isn't it neat that joining forces is itself a phrase with a martial origin?  David Atkins, the dimmest light at Digby's Discount Bulb Emporium:

It's how tribes grew into villages, how villages grew into city-states, city-states became kingdoms, and kingdoms became empires. It's how empires fell of their own weight, how dark ages grew into feudalism, feudalism centralized into nation-states, and how nation-states gradually adopted democratic reforms through fits, starts and revolutions.
The "it" of the "is" here is "the story of the power of civilization and complexification to mitigate the worst tendencies of human nature while expanding universal rights and unlocking the secrets of the universe."  Oh dear.  Of course, the universalism of tribes growing into villages (oh is that how it happened?) pretty swiftly resolves itself into a bad history of the European peninsula.  Did the Western Roman Empire "fall of its own weight"?  What would that mean, actually?  The dark ages "grew" into feudalism, fortunately without the intervention of a single Carolingian, less yet Vikings! Magyars!  Al-Andalus!  Feudalism, whatever that was, "centralized into nation-states," nevermind Germany, Italy, or the Austro-Hungarian Empire.  Then everyone became a democracy, through fits and starts.  Is this passage meant to be illustrative but not literal?  I find it hard to read as a metaphor.  My favorite Jewish homosexual, Michael Weiner-Savage, says that liberalism is a mental disease.  A charming thesis, but, I think, wrong on the particulars.  It seems to me that liberalism is a learning disability.

47 comments:

lucid said...

If Star Fleet was 'liberal', they wouldn't have the prime directive.

IOZ said...

Sure they would. They'd just fucking disobey it all the time for humanitarian reasons.

Rob Payne said...

It seems to me that liberalism is a determined narrow minded effort to ignore facts, to ignore the devastating effects upon the victims of liberalism from Laos to Libya, and to keep your head firmly inserted up one’s anus. In this way the liberal is convinced of its own wonderfulness.

Anonymous said...

progress!!!
i wish he would have mentioned something about how tribes (or was it villages) needed to grow an exo-skeletons (like walls or forts or fortifications or whatever) to evolve into city-states.

NutellaonToast said...

I thought have one head up one's anus was normal human anatomy, but maybe it's just people I disagree with.

Solar Hero said...

Dude to understand all this you just need to play Sid Meier's Civilization, I suggest version IV, Five sucks.

NutellaonToast said...

Oh man, don't get me started on V. It could have been SO SWEET if they hadn't forgotten to finish the damn thing

C. Nihilist said...

human condition ==> cooperation ==> nation states with technological death machines intended to heal the world.

i've got your metaphor right here:

garbage in garbage out.

Anonymous said...

Basically you seem to be arguing with Digby about whether American politics or life in the modern state or whatever is a "bad choice... between worse and worst" or a "false choice, choice that isn't choice, heads I win tails you lose choice." You don't disagree about any particular discrete event that I can see.

But in the real world distinguishing those two is always a tough judgment call. So why all the insults? A crude inversion of thanksralphery, and just as stupid.

Is s Digby "liberal" in the same sense that Obama is "liberal"?
One might as well say that you are a "conservative" for endorsing Michael Weiner and crew in a misguided bout of Enemy-Of-My-Enemism.

Anonymous said...

@1:12
Actually, I have a hard time thinking of a "particular discrete event" where they would agree.

IOZ said...

I prefer a mild saline solution for my Enemism.

Eerily Lackadaisical said...

to IOZ@1:35

It's OTT bad jokes like that, made solely for the poster's own gratification, that have contributed to the diminishing quantity of a quality commentariat here.

Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe said...

"The Progress of Man" looks just as bad when applied to social situations; villager to serf to parlimentarian to cyborg. No wonder Darwin avoided the word "evolution"; people see predestination everywhere.

Anonymous said...

to EL@1:40

C'mon, it was a flipant response to Anony@1:12's complete misreading of
IOZ's post. Don't be such a fagoot.

Eerily Lackadaisical said...

@Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe@1:43

Or, as the head of the Jesuits used to say to one of his most illustrious members who had been assigned to re-floor the lavatories:

Tile harder, Chardin.

Eerily Lackadaisical said...

@nonny@1:44

inside joke, nonny. understandable only to those who happened to be reading over the weekend here ...

Rob Payne said...

Nut Toast,

I don't agree with you.

Karl Franz Ochstradt said...

1:12 PM

not your every day apology there!

Anonymous said...

EL the amount of time you spend on this here blog is impressive, though it is also extremely sad. and your time spent to meaningful contribution ratio is through the roof!

ioz, what you're objecting to here is the standard american liberal's understanding of history, in a grand sense. there's an inevitability to our time and place, it's called progress. our job is to continue pursuing progress. nothing especially stupid, just a failure to comprehend contingency.

Eerily Lackadaisical said...

nonny@2:28

Oh, I don't know, nonny. Seems to me that a reference to Teilhard de Chardin is quite a meaningful contribution to this thread, given the nature of M'sieur's initiating post and some of the responses thereto ...

When did you knee first start jerking like that?

mistah charley, ph.d. said...

See Cartoon History series by Larry Gonick.

Anonymous said...

@mistah charley, ph.d.

I haven't looked at that book in ages. Since I was in junior high, I totally forgot about it. I never got past looking at the dinosaurs.

I gather it's not worth pursuing any further.

anne said...

eer, .. flip back to clemensy, turtles and abuse ?

Eerily Lackadaisical said...

anne@3:13 - ask me in the right thread and I'll give you an answer ...

mistah charley, ph.d. said...

While seeking a publisher, Gonick received early support from Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, who worked as an editor at Doubleday and championed The Cartoon History of the Universe's publication.

In addition to being a straight (though unusual) history, The Cartoon History helps readers understand historical cause and effect—how the past relates to the present. It explains the motivations behind human beings’ discoveries, inventions, explorations, wars, triumphs, and mistakes. Gonick’s editorial aim seeks to do justice to every point of view,[citation needed] though he is inclined toward historical revisionism[citation needed].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cartoon_History_of_the_Universe

PR said...

In fairness to Digby she has done some decent work covering police brutality.

Eerily Lackadaisical said...

rob payne@12:07

If you haven't read this yet:

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/17/when_chomsky_wept/singleton/

it is well worth a read. I mean that in all seriousness - the writer's earnestness reminds me of yours - something unsullied about it - as with yours as well ...

Anonymous said...

el, more than 20% of this thread is you. don't you sometimes feel like you lack for hobbies?

Eerily Lackadaisical said...

nonny@5:48 - if you knew what I was doing in between posts, you would understand why reading at posting chez IOZ is a perfect intermittent hobby for someone in my situation ... but thank you nonethless for your concern ...

Anonymous said...

"The dimmest light at Digby's Discount Bulb Emporium" is perfect, but it's too bad you're giving David Atkins the treatment the one time he's actually making sense.

Christopher said...

Digby's okay, but David Atkins is an admitted liberal as well as an actual, bona fide idiot.

David Atkins Explains: Liberals understand that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Left to their own devices, people with weapons and money will always try to exploit and dominate people without weapons and money unless they are stopped from doing so.
...
When the government steps in to enforce desegretation in schools, that is intervention at the point of a gun, by a superior force against a lesser force attempting to exploit the weak and powerless.


This is Atkins' way of explaining that liberalism has no internal contradictions. I'm totally serious.

Why does Digby let that guy post there? Digby's kinda okay a lot of the time, but Atkins is basically a pet rock. He's like the liberal Powerline.

Rob Payne said...

EL,

Thanks much for the link and you are right it is a great read. Everyone should read it. So much for the criticism I have heard that Chomsky is too robotic, what a lot of bosh.

Justin said...

I think Atkins is a performance artist, personally.

"Left to their own devices, people with weapons and money will always try to exploit and dominate people without weapons and money unless they are stopped from doing so."

How did I get here? This is not my shotgun shack.

Could be that people who have weapons and money have them because they believe exploiting and dominating others is what they should be doing. I'd love to hear Atkins' football analysis. "People with muscles, shoulder pads and helmets will, left to their own devices, launch themselves into other people with great force unless they are stopped! With the proper regulations, however..."

Leonard said...

It seems to me that liberalism is a learning disability.

Tell that to Bill Clinton. Of course publicly he'd just charm you and, off to dinner! But privately, if you could earn his trust, he'd make it clear that he was the player and the liberals, his piano. This is ever the way: the power hungry can tell who is winning, and they side accordingly.

Of course, the bandwagon effect doesn't explain how liberalism came to be winning in the first place. For that, you just have to look at how democratic politics works. When you "reform" or "regulate" or "abolish" something via the state, you create state jobs. Power is transferred, and power is sweet. Once a state job exists, its occupant and his connections defend it tooth and nail; the state always grows. Thus there is always an obvious politics of "reform": the left. And in mass-mediated mass democracy, a politics calls forth its ideological justifiers. Columnists and teachers will explain in words of no more than three syllables, why "reform" is necessary, prudent, morally right, and anyway, inevitable. The people vote as instructed.

As for religion as a learning disability, I suppose there is something to that -- at least, from your perspective. But don't forget that you are at least 2 sigmas up in IQ, if not higher. Generally two sigmas down from the norm is where we draw the line at retardation (or "intellectual challenge", or whatever the proggies want us to call it these days); so the average 98-IQ American is learning disabled by comparison to you.

Democracy works better when you run it using high-IQ people. It still sucks, but better. That's the difference between us and, i.e., the Congo. They tend take the basic precept of democracy -- that the group with the bigger army should rule -- a little more literally.

JTG said...

Scratch a liberal, find a capitalist.

demize! said...

Savage will unlock the mystery of The Carolingian bloodline by re-reading his love letters to Allen Ginsburg. An albino David Horowitz mortifies the flesh while infiltrating the Black Panthers for the Zio-Jesuit,this is what I getting here..

Anonymous said...

Somone break it to leonard (gently) that, within the definition of 'liberal' used here (the correct definition) - he IS one.

Anonymous said...

personally, I prefer Sir Digby Chicken Caesar....
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7A00D1ECED1845C1

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@359

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The Dull Sycophant

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