Monday, June 04, 2012

Sighence

As it dawns on liberal America that Obama may not be the queen bee in charge of all the drones in perpetuity, the level of hysteria on the leeward side of the hive is cranking up to full buzz.  Liberals are immensely fond of science; like evangelicals with Christianity, the thing in which they believe bears preciously little resemblance to the belief that bore it; the result is a charming bowdlerization with all the offending content replaced with, like, the MSNBC logo.  For instance, it has now been scientifically proven--scientifically, I tell you--that Republicans are, literallyJoeBiden, the greater evil.  They're a political party that's gone of the rails.


That's an interesting metaphor, isn't it?  Being both a literal and a literary type, I'm always amused to break a figure of speech into its component images and consider what precisely it says.  What would it mean for political parties, like trains, to be on the rails, endlessly moving from fixed point to fixed point along a rigidly predetermined path?  It certainly appeals to the technological teleology of the liberal state, whereby the greatest threat to society is any sort of departure from the efficiency-tested mean of the means.

As technocrats, liberals are very concerned about the broadest possible social acceptance of the conclusions of science.  After all, they believe that their worldview is validated by some set of geometric postulates.  Evolution is a popular bugaboo.  Another is climate change, and if you follow the first link above, you'll see that after scientifically proving that Republicans Are the Worst, this recent story about the North Carolina legislature doing a King Canute routine In Re the matter of rising sea levels gets trotted out as a valedictory anecdote.  (Poor Canute, by the way: he was really trying to demonstrate quite the opposite of what his story's come to mean.)

Republicans don't believe in climate change!  They're trying to outlaw science!  This, if nothing else, is supposed to send you scurrying into the Obama camp.  He may be a mass murderer of wedding parties, but at least he can read a global average temperature chart and see the slope of the regression line.  But climate change isn't a scientific theory; it's a political slogan.  Remember when it was global warming, until that became unpalatable to some strategic communications types?  To liberals, it is very important to believe in climate change.  They'd tell you that it's necessary as a precursor to doing something about climate change, but that's not really the case, except in the religious sense--I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life.

Living creatures change the environment and sometimes affect the whole of the global climate and it is perfectly plain that we billions of viral mammals are in the process of fucking Brother Earth without so much as the courtesy of a reach around . . . but okay, unless the liberal program involves rapid depopulation, consider me under-impressed.  No "environmental" political position is anything more than a social signifier, about as meaningful as opposition to gay marriage.  Do you support wind farms and renewable energy?  Good for you, but even if the world converts to 100% solar tomorrow, we'll still be cracking nitrogen and running industrial ag to feed our ever-more-gaping human maw; we'll still be stripping the top layer off of Western China to make components for your computer, etc.  

It's gonna take a hell of a lot more hellfire missiles to inoculate Gaea against human-caused climate change.  Obama and his deck of most-wanted baseball cards just won't cut it.  The drones may actually have to take matters into their own hands. 

151 comments:

MichaelRyerson said...

and just what the fuck did that all mean? do you ever tire? you should, quickly, get two buckets, you know, just two regular old galvanized steel buckets, and standing on one, place the other one over your head and say this shit out loud.

IOZ said...

Score.

Picador said...

The drones may actually have to take matters into their own hands.

LOL.

To be fair, IOZ, some of the liberals understand what's required to DO SOMETHING about the environment. Margaret Atwood's "Oryx and Crake" lays it out quite nicely, for instance. Uh, spoilers.

anne said...

the sig' heading got my attenion from the side of another's page .. i've started reading but i'm stuck in thoughts on the both literal and literary .. . that is something that has always had me wondering.. . of this is odd of your being both ...thoughts on reading you and most of those that comment here ..over the past year or so .. , i'll stay stuck on that thought as i go for a tub soak .. then back to continue reading on what you are on about here .. . unstuck ..

Eerily Lackadaisical said...

See, M'sieur? In response to your "Tools and Dies" post of 5/30, I posted:

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Ah, I see Ryerson season has opened once again.

Happy trolling, M'sieur.

He's a cagey one, though.
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And sho' nuff ...

Anonymous said...

You make a decent case for nihilism, but given limitations on human knowledge (what causes weather? Will it rain on July 14? etc) there is always a decent case for nihilism. Yours is no more plausible than the case for acting in one direction or another and I think that approach makes most people feel better.

puppylander said...

i heard this bit on the radio over the weekend. i wonder what you make of this, ioz.

http://www.radiolab.org/2012/jan/09/whos-bad/

Karl Franz Ochstradt said...

So a person's entire existence can't be summed up in a pair of bumper stickers that say "Wag More Bark Less" and "Obama" with a peace sign for the O?

anne said...

and a more literary to puppy's too literal , penk's wag is my short for wanda gag .. . ,

Brian M said...

Anonymous 9:53: But our host's position doesn't involve endless self involved blatherings abotu "programs" and "policy statements" and "climate ACTION plans"...and millions of dollars of environmental consultants' fees...so judged on annoyance levels alone, M. Ioz's position is far, far superior.

anne said...

brian, .. abotu .. mother earth's tongue .. .

C. Nihilist said...

9:53, who is making a the case for "acting in one direction or another" in the political sphere, and can we say they are serious, or are they only operating at the level of sloganeering?

i don't read IOZ's position as nihilistic, i think it's that the cosmic debt associated with the solution he arrives at, kill nearly everybody, is too much to contemplate.

IOZ, i doubt Gaea gives a shit from the climate. she'll roll with the punches. this is just us human beans burying ourselves to bake.

anne said...

there is no this direction or that she said to the south of her border americans , from her more liberated from north of .. .

BDR said...

Hey, report from your hometown in today's YFWP.

anne said...

le picador, .. if you come back around ... have you read atwood's alias grace ?

ZL "Kai" Burington said...

Thank you for saying this, thank you, thank you. It's true, politics co-opts science for it's own uses, regardless of whether politicians claim to support or omit science in their rhetoric. As a scientist, I hate equally both the Republican denial of science and the Democratic twisting of science; both are denigration. The progressive misconceptions about evolution are as quaint as young earth creationism.

Inkberrow said...

Kai---

(Most) Republicans reject scientism, not science, especially when social sciences are accorded equal dignity.

Anonymous said...

The environment just cracks your brain. You can write a fortnight's worth of posts against the state's hurting a single hair on a child's head—and fair enough!—and then propose that only mass death can solve the globe's most pressing problem. Far be it from me, a modest humanist, to suggest you look to science for alternatives to worldwide atrocity, but if that's your only solution, it's probably because you haven't searched very far for another.

anne said...

i sit here at my desk ... with the lap', not on my lap .. but to the side of where i am working , of my drawing and writing by hand , getting up to do chores and dance about(literal) .. .. and also take breaks to look at .. to read a little , so of io z's post here .. . to read and as comments come up , to look over just quickly if someone suggests a look at something , quick like i imagine most would do in the middle of there day here , so with black dog read (of what i call his blog when referring to something on to someone that i talk with here that knows him ) ..a quick look over at the ioz's home town news , i glance at what the writing focuses on , but the first thing that hits is the image like it would with anyone , ... is it deliberately set up to look like that woman has too many kids ? , does she have that many kids ?, and a question to those that live south of my border and read differently ,of what and how .. than i do .. why does she have that many children.. if she does ? remember this is just of what living a life affords of the only a quick look over .. . something of an impressionist's paint /- of why i left the alias grace comment , in part .. of black dog's comment and to address something of a very quick look over and puppylander's suggest .. ,

anne said...

to the anonymous ,1,27, .. i don't see ioz as being a writer that is ever looking for solutions here in his writing , so in that ..wondering why you would bring that up ?

Anonymous said...

Inkberrow that is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard you say, which is quite a distinction. Republicans LOVE social science, which is the foundation of all advertising and one of the great advances of the twentieth century. Are you saying they don't like "In The Shadow of Man"? They don't like Edward Deming's organizational research? Republicans don't like university departments they see (correctly) as ideologically hostile, but the idea that this tactical assessment implies some position on the actual work coming out of them is, well, contradicted by the evidence.

anne said...

anonymous , 1, 53, the foundation of advertizing .. but not much is sincere ..

Anonymous said...

@anne, 1.27. Ioz isn't looking for solutions, obvs, just presenting them from on high. There is a world of options to consider before "resighning" to mass death, is all.

anne said...

i don't read him as resigned to anything ever .. , he is on some high though of some sort .. .

Sorry said...

Re: BDR @ 11:33,

And the memory of coal and the dream of gas will not help Obama as he mines votes in this part of Pennsylvania.

Yesterday I tested the water & found .322 ppb voting fluid. Turned on the tap today & chads came out. Then it caught on fire.

Re: the environment, put spindizzies on the cities & blow this joint. The drones will inherit Gaea one way or another.

C. Nihilist said...

well, short of mass death, there is "the radical physical revision of the entire structure of our civilization."

mistah charley, ph.d. said...

i think "the radical physical revision of our civilization" implies either a substantial reduction in the standard of living in the industrialized countries, or a substantial "right-sizing" of the global human population, or both.

See http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2012/05/rumbling-of-distant-thunder.html

lucid said...

implies either a substantial reduction in the standard of living in the industrialized countries, or a substantial "right-sizing" of the global human population, or both.

Unless we discover a self-sustaining source of power, both are inevitable.

Anonymous said...

I thought WE were the drones

Anonymous said...

Unless we discover a self-sustaining source of power

What about that bright, hot thing that's in the sky about half the time?

lucid said...

What are the energy & resource inputs required to efficiently harvest and store energy from the bright hot thing in the sky? Do we even have the technological ability to store it? Would such an undertaking happen within our current economic system, given that it would be competing against the single most profitable commodities in the history of our planet?

Look - ending of the wasteful and mass suicidal phenomenon that is global capitalism & then instituting 'green-ish' power production would go a long way toward preserving our species, but it ain't enough. There are far too many of us already for the limited resources of this planet to support. Shit - we don't have enough water, let alone power.

Rob Payne said...

Well, we could burn all the piles of dead brown people as a viable renewable source of energy for one thing.

lucid said...

Rob - the smell is kind of a problem.

anne said...

she comes in for a quick look from her wandering .. . , i can see rob sitting there horrified by lucidity's response to him .. , i don't really know lucid ..but i'm guessing now that he is one of the straight men , i mean straight of more literal and not a lot of giggling or any show of emotion of that sort but less giggling .. .

lucid said...

Anne - was riffing on Rob's Swifterific suggestion.

Leonard said...

Remember when it was global warming, until that became unpalatable to some strategic communications types?

I do. I also remember, though vaguely, when it was "a new ice age" that was the dire threat. The idea that "science" now can predict the weather 100 years hence is pure poppycock. "Science" cannot predict the weather 10 days hence.

Speaking of old dire threats, I also remember the dire threat of "overpopulation". That was before we discovered that human beings are not just mouths to feed, but they also have hands and brains.

You're right, of course, that liberal politics is all about tribal signifying and not about reality.

Jack Crow said...

Future wars going to make past wars look like tea time.

Think killing each other over lebensraum and manifest destiny is nasty?

Contemplate the organized murder which follows from coastal brown people moving a half mile inland.

Jack Crow said...

Lucid, with a match point: liberal environmentalists are like Christian Shiva worshipers. You can't have institutional, state encapsulated market liberalism and anti-growth "green" organization.

Schmutzie said...

Wait, so you're saying that some people who believe in man-made climate change, or who treat evolution as scientific fact, or who may be pro-choice, aren't necessarily liberals? Ho-lee fuck IOZ! That shatters practically everything I've ever thought about Mitt Romney. Goddamnit, maybe Jesus did spend some time with the Aztecs, and maybe Quezalcóatl really was a Republican.

anne said...

of latter days .. . i came in to a room when that scene with the man reaching up to a woman's breast in some way ..was on a screen ,of that bill maher film .., can someone tell me what the breast looking up to .. was all about ... ,with thoughts of something of the behaving leading in to your rise in the seasonal fall .. down there

Rob Payne said...

Lucid,

That's likely all the liberals will worry about, the smell.

RoninJin said...

Genghis Khan may have had a solution.

http://news.mongabay.com/2011/0120-hance_mongols.html#

Paul Alexander said...

I'm through with this blog! Who do you think you are, Monsieur, consigning mankind to self inflicted extinction? You and your high horse need to ride off into the sunset, you dithering dandy!

If anyone cares to join me, I'll be at a MoveOn sponsored seminar on how to harness the power of your microwave to save .8 miles per gallon!

anne said...

note for all to have a look - some smooth as nutella dance moves over on paul's blog , .. she said now swaying like she is riding a donkey .. . / can someone please post a link to madness playing on the palace roof earlier .. , and maybe annie lennox there somewhere as well ..i'd like to see that as well .. i live in a no tely zone 'hood .. , the future is coming ..

anne said...

nevermind the ska is up on the yout' now .. . it must be love love .. . love ..

lucid said...

Rob - well they obviously could give a shit about the bodies...

IOZ said...

Just look at our situation with that camelfucker in Iraq.

Rob Payne said...

Lucid, Sure they do, that's why they will vote for Obama.

Sorr-E said...

Overpopulation/underresourculation is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand.

There was no way to tell, by the normal human senses, when the party passed through the spindizzy screen. Midway across the perimeter, which was a good five hundred feet wide, the leader unshipped from his belt a device about as big as an avocado, turned it in his hands until it whined urgently, and then directed the group on ahead of him in single file, along a line which he traced in the dry red ground with the toe of his boot.
...
Chris looked again at the dubious boundary line he had just crossed. Sure enough, there was a hair-thin ruling there, curving away to both sides as far as he could see, where the inert friable earth seemed to be turning over restlessly. It was as though he were standing inside a huge circle of boiling dust.
"That's right, that's what I meant. Now look here."


Spindizzies, yo. Just saying

High Arka said...

You sad little fatalist deathwisher. Life, including the bigger-brained hairless apes of this particular planet, is greater than the limits of your current anarcho-religious understanding of what we are all capable of. You are the Greenwald today, you pitiable creature.

One can argue the Christians, the neoliberal war apologists, and the endlessly whining radicals down to the same essential point: "humans inherently suck, life inherently sucks, and we're all gonna die, so why not just go tribal while we wait?"

I'll break this more later in service of the children born a thousand generations after IOZ declared the experiment doomed, but for now, this is whatcha get.

C. Nihilist said...

life... finds a way.

High Arka said...

Remembering Petticoat Lane.

We'll have to cut this short--the raptors are loose.

C. Nihilist said...

if i ever get around to writing a will, the IOZ community, the cool ones anyway (you know who you are) will be granted rights to use this technology to convert me into a dead-manned drone. let me piss fire and shit a-bombs on the surplus population from beyond the grave. just kidding, LEAVE ME ALONE YOU SICK FUCKS.

lucid said...

Lulz! Always, lulz...

respjrat said...

the only way through the thicket is compulsory homosexuality.

Rob Payne said...

We already are tribal, in case you had not noticed.

demize! said...

We must harness the very mechanism that fucked us, to defuck us. Because "something must be done" and let it start with carbon renewables. Conscience is but a word that cowards use,
Devised at first to keep the strong in awe:
Our strong arms be our conscience, swords our law.
March on, join bravely, let us to't pell-mell
If not to heaven, then hand in hand to hell.

High Arka said...
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High Arka said...

(Typo.)

The saddest/funniest part about IOZ's argument, like the scientific liberals that Mr. Smith criticized in the original post at StopMe, is that IOZ uses the traditional "too many deer grazing in the forest, therefore population crash" over-simplification of biology to justify his morbid fantasy.

The zombie-apocalypse fetishizers, which includes Christians, peak-oilers, and tough, logical anarchists, are delivering the same message of "hate Mother Earth for her weakness, and hate the humans who have covered her like rodents and who, therefore, need to be swept away." Perhaps the genocide of the non-Chosen by righteous flood metaphor more suits you than that of the Rapture, Msr.?

The multiverse is far more vast, beautiful, and yes, powerful, than the resources currently being fossilized out of one planet in a backwater corner of one galaxy. You warn of cold emptiness because you fear it, but you're only here now because life turned out to be bigger than the womb.

respjrat said...

let me know when you figure out the hieroglyphics on that stargate, arka.

IOZ said...

Once you figure out the vowels . . .

Gridlock said...

The reversed meaning of the Canute parable is useful, like those who quote Uncle Jo with the hiding and the fearing: nod and smile and picture the quoter as a fat moustachioed commie sitting in a lawn chair at the edge of the sea.

Your political beliefs suck said...

Liberals love science and evolution, except when it comes to the scientifically verified differences in mean IQ among racial groups.

Climate change = therefore, government must control the little space that has so far evaded bureaucratic oversight and regulation, for the children.

Ooh, I have a great idea - every drone should carry a thermometer to help to more accurately report the global temperature, while they are out kinetically retiring terrorists (and future terrorists who happen to be playing hopscotch nearby).

Justin said...

High Arka,
Describing the logical conclusion of an incoherent, wretched system of thought and behavior, however absurd or morbid, is not the same as endorsing it.

I agree with Ioz, the drones may have to take matters into their own hands one day if we don't take them first.

davidly said...

Remote Justin has it.
@High Arka: Your comment reads like concern trolling.

Anonymous said...

Calmer than you are, Arka.

High Arka said...

(davidly, never talk to trolls. It makes you badthink. You did the right thing by using your term.)

Justin, the persistence of life seems to suggest that life is able to endure things like needing a new habitat or source of energy. We live next to a very powerful, stable star, and we're very resourceful about building things. The future does not necessarily have to be Mad Max. If IOZ can't imagine life without a small set of fossil fuels, or food production as anything except yeoman farmers on the commons or 21st century agribusiness, then he's worse with imagination than a "drill the Arctic" exec.

(What makes you think you're not a drone? Is it the nice computer?)

What's the logical conclusion of comets and dust clouds? The Crusades? The witch hunts? George W. Bush, President of the United States? American Idol? We seemed to be able to survive these things. Perhaps we might begin the change we wish to see by avoiding some of the fouler tendencies among us, such as fearing the different, or seeing the end foretold by animal bones, Ted Koppel, or alarmist radicals justifiably upset by, say, Exxon.

The articles that have been, for years, subtly reminding all you free-thinking radicals that the end is near are brought to you by the same publishing industry that brought you the (groan) Iraq WMD story and (groan) 50 Shades of Grey. Did you think you weren't meant to give up hope and conclude that resource wars were coming? They wanted you to believe it was inevitable, in a "we're so surprised by Pearl Harbor" sort of way, and you're falling right into the trap. After all, all the intelligence suggests there's really no other way. Mistakes were made getting us here, but you can't turn back the clock. We have to deal with the world as decades of expert industry and nonprofit opinion have presented it to us. No other options can possibly be on the table.

Dear respjrat, it is funny to laugh at people who remember hope in a storm, isn't it? It's so obvious they're crazy. After all, the cave bears are getting bigger every year.

Shut up and conform. Shut up and conform. Don't make waves, she always said. Well, now that we have seen each other, if you'll believe in me, I'll believe in you.

IOZ said...

Frog DNA.

C. Nihilist said...

A message of hope for those who choose to hear it and a warning for those who do not.

IOZ said...

This is a Unix system. I know this!

anne said...

io z has put up a new post , time to put the .. ( typo with a why happened , at 1,49 ) ..they are there thoughts overwhelmed mind ( of from/in the land of the bigger swallow .. ) .. of south of my border .. of how happened ..for should have been -their .. of another what they are .. in,of ,

respjrat said...

so what you're saying arka is that we need to wean ourselves from the influence of the nefarious 'publishing industry' that we've all been so thoroughly duped by all these years and sign onto non-specific technological messianism with a dollop of questionable metaphors?

anne said...

dollop heinz ..

Leonard said...

You are the Greenwald today

Ouch, that's cold. Well played, madame.

anne said...

leonard , .. who is greenwald today ? .. and the 'dame ?

Leonard said...

Read up, Annie dear. Use the searching capability of your fine browser to find the reference. That's why I quote.

Happy Jack said...

She blinded me with science. Science!

anne said...
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anne said...

sorry leonard , i see where high ar' made that comment now , i'm too much of refiguring .. to your all very literal minds .. .

Anonymous said...

If you didn't vote today you have no right to complain.

High Arka said...

(Is anyone else shipping anne/Owen Paine?)

anne said...

putting me in a boat ? , said sleepy anne , .. try to say more of what you mean here arka .. ? / funny how a few make that suggest of this owen paine and i , he is very different , of what he talks about , and my odd ways of writing are very different as well ..

Anonymous said...

One Fukushima per 10,000 reactor -years, putting out of use 1000 square miles for 100 years.
At 10,000 reactors (probably enough together with conservation, hydro, and renewables).

100,000 square miles out of commission / set aside to power the planet.

Doable, but then FDR shook hands with a guy peddling something else, not some blasted uranium miner.

TDS

anne said...

t d s , .. . our minds are in the same flow of something of thoughts at this moment , of more than my cousin chris's doctorates .. , where are you that you said hydro and a few other mentions .. ?

anne said...

sorry ..left out the mention that his doctorates are all japanese related .. , my mind drifted off on some atwood thought as i was writing that ..

Anonymous said...

Jesus, Arka, go think some positive vibes at the multiverse to cancel IOZ out. And next time you feel the urge to make some hysterical rambling statement of faith that no one is interested in, use those fingers to pleasure yourself and thus add more happy energy to your My Little Fucking Pony rainbow world.

High Arka said...

That's awesome...time and again, fearful people seem to be most passionately angered by displays of compassion and hope. What you don't know is that we've had this argument several times already, and I've been consistently proven right. Shouldn't you be off somewhere reading a Mayan calendar? I'll take an optimistic future with a track record of millions of years of life just in this uni over your "I'm a 60-100 year lived being who fathoms my species' current struggles as terminal for all others," any day.

But fine, fine, you want Mad Max? Who here's completed their close pistol, tactical shotgun, urban battlespace movement, improvised weaponry, and group/single unarmed? Considering how pompously ready you all are for Armageddon? Even the fat boys of the northeastern woodsmen militia are going to be eating your canned gnocchi. Better hope the body politic keeps funding state police forces of brawny white guys with mustaches to protect your lily blogs.

(Because IOZ, your decorative "occasional/ineffectual bodybuilder" thing doesn't actually mean anything for realz, y'know? Go back to Azeroth, where indeed you are king. Err, queen.)

davidly said...

With your being so sure of where everybody is coming from, High Arka, it's nice that you could still muster so much compassion and hope so late in the afternoon.

If the future does turn out to be as bleak as you say others say, I wouldn't want someone of your enduring sensitivity to have to live through it. It just wouldn't be fair, except to those who're, like, sooo looking forward to Mad Max Redux on the 22nd of December.

So this one hopes that you manage to snag a seat on the USS Exodus. But please take the jerkoff from a quarter past four with you.

Anonymous said...

Pompously "compassionate" people seem to be passionately angered by mundane observations about the carrying capacity of a planet with finite resources. One might get the impression that such types are just whistling past the graveyard with all their hysterical insistence that the multiverse is in control, goddamnit, people are jewels of creation and children are angels, we all have a glorious destiny of lovingkindness awaiting us, shut up shut UP SHUT UP. Trying to convince themselves more than anything, mayhap. I mean, since you want to get all psychoanalytic and shit.

See here, you simple fuck. While you're busy trying to police thoughtcrime on a blog (no children were harmed in the making of this or any other post!), there are countless variables in play right now that will or won't drastically affect humankind's destiny for the worse. Maybe there's a viral mutation in our near future that will render all your shrill optimism hilariously null and void. We shaved apes aren't guaranteed anything. By your logic, the dinosaurs should have been cocky as all hell.

As I said before, you offer nothing but a statement of faith. Your unconscious recognition of that fact is evident in your highly emotional insistence, which belies your professions to the contrary, that the future is so fragile as to require uniform assent and pledges of allegiance in order to turn out in accordance with your narrow vision of it.

If you need citations to soothe your brittle psyche, IOZ has indeed said in the past that he fully expects the nation-state to outlive us all. No one but you is talking about, let alone expecting Mad Max. The point remains: too many people consuming finite resources is a problem not likely to be solved by wishful thinking, can-do pluck, and, I dunno, some secret papers of Tesla. By all means, devote your life to it if you want. No one's trying to stop you. But maybe you should stop wasting your time shrieking into the bloggy void and get to work, then.

demize! said...

On the serious, don't buy into the Malthusian, resource, population mathematics. That's been an elite, eugenics bugaboo for at least a hundred years. There are adequate resources for the entire population. It is resources management and or resource control which renders children to endure distended bellies. On the other hand catastrophes such as Fukushima an Mexico Gulf are truly of a different magnitude. I am personally distrustful of dogmas or philosophies that unite Primitivists and Bill Gates.

High Arka said...

@demize, lovely! The subtle "we're running out of stuff" claim has been built up over decades as an argument against minority breeding, and as an excuse--a la "immigrants are taking our jobs"--to explain away disparities in who has resources. Just as with the Irish Potato "Famine," there are plenty of resources; the "we're running out" cry is produced to help the stasists run in place.

Republican: Things are bad because immigrants are taking all the stuff and liberals are stealing it to give to immigrants to get votes.

Democrat: Things are bad because unscientific white trash is keeping us chained to the dark ages.

IOZ reader: Things are bad and are getting worse because it's inevitable that we'll use up our finite resources and many of us die off.

@cursing, rude, unfriendly 8:07 anonymous:

"a planet with finite resources..."

Assuming that's true, that's one planet. There are, like, others. Point fail.

"While you're busy trying to police thoughtcrime on a blog..."

Policing thoughtcrime is what a community of derisive insulters does. The rude e-mails, the shouting to "shut up," the use of cheap American obscenities--these are your tribal enforcement mechanisms. IOZ is so cool, being an anarchist, and all, that he can rely on his subjects to viciously insult anyone who deviates. He's not even forced to just delete stuff and ban people, the way it usually happens. That's how you can tell how enlightened he is.

"We shaved apes aren't guaranteed anything. By your logic, the dinosaurs should have been cocky as all hell."

Does existing in a different form frighten you? Does the idea of others existing, living, loving, and laughing, who are different than you, frighten you? Someday, you will be gone in that form, but there may be another. Changing models of resource utilization are not the end.

"you offer nothing but a statement of faith."

I offer millions of years of surviving life, and case studies of, oh, let's say three dire civilizational problems solved by resourceful humans. You offer, "Onoes, population shift!" Which is the more religious, rapturous model on which to base a prediction of the future?

You are guilty of the same perspective-limiting error of the Christian who believes the Earth to be 5,000 years old, simply because "big numbers" are too hard to imagine. The crisis that you see as all-encompassing has been weathered before, and will be weathered again.

"No one but you is talking about, let alone expecting Mad Max."

Whuh? And here we thought this was an anarchist board. So you're secretly pulling for the regulated state with formal police agencies that use force to maintain laws and order? So sorry for getting that wrong!

"The point remains: too many people consuming finite resources is a problem not likely to be solved by wishful thinking, can-do pluck..."

This is the point. Thank you for expressing it so well.

"Our resources are running out. We cannot think of ways to solve this problem, and we cannot work hard to accomplish goals to solve this problem."

All of that non-Mad-Max thing, and here you are telling us that hope is wishful thinking, and hard work and ingenuity will fail? In no more literal way could you make the point.

Deep down, you probably understand that this isn't true; you warn of Armageddon much as you fantasize about an "anarchy" that you, out of most of the people on this planet, would have the least chance of surviving. It's a way of being cool, independent, and radical. It would really crush you if you found out that humans were going to develop a new source of energy to keep this game going, just as it would really crush trailer pplz if they found out about how Romney secretly thinks Obama is doing a fine job.

Anonymous said...

Here, Arka, go preach to these sad fatalist deathwishers, lulz.

High Arka said...

In literal terms, IOZ's commentariat is many, many levels of development above that found there, while the professors--who are only trying to draw more attention to their crumbling universities in their ugly-flagged state, anyway--would match in manner the more pompous of the insulting realists here.

Did you cite that to say, "Look, here are experts who say things that I believe, and which you should also believe"? Or was it a genuine, "I hope she goes there and ne'er returns"?

Anonymous said...

IOZ is a talented, entertaining writer. He is not a leader of men nor an inspiration for revolutionaries. Having communicated with him briefly outside the blog, I feel secure in judging him to be a decent individual whose stance toward the improvers of mankind, the would-be revolutionaries, and other power-seeking sorts is one of jaded humor. He doesn't take himself terribly seriously, so it's no wonder why you can't figure out what to make of that.

You ascribe all sorts of prescriptive intent to his jokes and cynical asides, and you insist on looking for some sort of anarchist creed to which we all signed on. You spout inanities about magical technological innovations, mining other planets for resources and the power of love, stridently insist that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio, but you lose your temper over irrelevant, inconsequential remarks on a blog, which, again, suggests to me that you're not actually convinced of your own faith-based optimism.

C. Nihilist said...

some sort of anarchist creed to which we all signed on.

how about: "it is what it is."

High Arka said...

In place of literally destroying or adjusting the historical record, the option "this bores me" or "you interpreted my words wrongly" is always available. Serious criticisms of war, a belligerent populace, or mass delusion are suddenly mere jests. How silly it was, perhaps, to think that a cash-bloated American could actually be trying to do anything other than get a laugh and some attention.

Disclaimer: everything we ever said was meant to be taken as a joke, including vicious insults, e-mails warning you to stay away, comments on individual stupidity, comments on group stupidity, and evaluations of the political process. When we're right, we're right; when we're wrong, it was just a joke. A funny joke. Don't you get it?

Are we all here only to snicker like hyenas at IOZ chronicling how shit happens? Does no one else dream of something better? Or is this really only the penultimate community of "radical internet bloggers," who have nothing to offer except cheap laughs and pointless commentary that they back off of as soon as it's questioned?

IOZ can't defend his views, granted, and he may be satisfied being naught but a loon--why shouldn't he be? He's just some richie amusing himself until he dies, with occasional feigned consideration for dead brown people, which he uses as ploys to drive attention to his clever mockery of the norms. But words, and thoughts, have meaning. The writers of the Bible could've been "just joking," though their substance later had a decided impact on people reading it--like leaving a gun on the front mat of a preschool.

If IOZ's message really is one of "haha, people are stupid, why bother trying?" then he is far more dangerous than "reality is tough, at least use your vote judiciously to support the least-conservative of the two likely-to-win perpetual war candidates."

When African American infants die because of poor (no?) prenatal care, is it a joke? When a nineteen-year-old man gets put in prison for 25 to life for his third joint sale, is it merely fodder for a cynical aside? When a million people across south Asia and Africa are starved, is it cause for jaded humor?

You coward. You thoroughly sheltered, armchair-radical coward. You are the worst sort of no-purpose internet presentation. Even Romney's ilk can present a genuine face of, "People are dying, but it has to happen, because _______." You instead say, "People are dying, but it can't be changed, so let's write cleverly about it."

Also, Dubya, technology is not "magic," math is not "fuzzy," love exists, and planets besides this one do contain resources.

anne said...

arka , addressing some of what you suggest , there is no sign of .. radical in their ways ,of living .. of those that comment here, that includes you arka . / but there are many that i have talked with here that are hopeful in many ways .. i can see in talking with them , of another set of comments that you make that wrongly address , / it is the way that you go about addressing ,.. . as you keep suggesting that others here believe in things that they have said nothing of , of assuming too much .. , said someone who is radical in how she lives , always has been ..and always will be , and maybe one day more of what being radical in living is ..

High Arka said...

exactly

Anonymous said...

Arka, if I'm reading you right through all the compassionate, love-based vitriol, you seem to feel comfortable judging people you've never met based on whatever irrelevant metric you've fixated on. Personally, I've never emailed you, though I have told you to fuck off a couple times, because you are quite annoying. Other than that, I don't speak for or endorse anyone else here.

If IOZ could be bothered to respond to your shrieks, he might suggest that how you live day to day is far more significant than offering platitudes about terrible things happening in the world (which have always happened throughout the existence of our species, which, by your logic, would seem to indicate that they will manage to endure indefinitely into the future). It's not as stirring as trying to rally people around some mass political program, perhaps, but we should all be at least somewhat cynical of that by now.

I do have to chuckle, seeing you all full of righteous fury, trying to sum up my life, of which you know precisely nothing, in a couple cutting remarks. I don't know anything about yours, nor do I care to, which is why I restrict myself to saying that you are tiresome in your priggish hectoring, and deluded in your belief that you can fully account for and control all the sociopolitical variables in play. Again, there is no shortage of naive world savers who are just aching to DO SOMETHING about all the pain and suffering in the world, so perhaps you might want to use your time more wisely and go join hands with them instead of hanging out here, trying to make converts. Unless, of course, you're trying to convince yourself more than anyone else. Is that why you're so upset, Arka dear? Are you afraid to admit that the world itself, humanity in the abstract, are indifferent to your wishes? Would your life seem meaningless if not devoted to some moralistic teleology? Tsk tsk.

Justin said...

Are we all here only to snicker like hyenas at IOZ chronicling how shit happens? Does no one else dream of something better? Or is this really only the penultimate community of "radical internet bloggers," who have nothing to offer except cheap laughs and pointless commentary that they back off of as soon as it's questioned?

High Arka,
We are on a blog. Pointless commentary is definitional, its write there in the name, 'web log'!

And yes, hope is hopeless.

We can sit around hoping for something better, or we can get off our asses.

druff said...

HA: "(Is anyone else shipping anne/Owen Paine?)"

YES! Thank you. I'm glad I returned to this comment section.

Also, IOZ, great post.

Anonymous said...

High Arka is from Arkansas. True story.

Jack Crow said...

Arka,

You have done the basic math on those other worlds from which resources can be taken, no? We're talking trillions of dollars in real world investment, a number slated to rise. That's money that's got to be coming from somewhere, since the world is bound by its materiality. In other words: labor.

In other, other words: a giant pyramid destroying the lives and livelihoods of billions, in order from the Bransons and Gates of the earth to claim bragging rights on asteroid mining.

It's okay to be a wispy headed sci-fi buff, y'know. It's perhaps a whole lot dodgier to put that shit in action, given the world we actually have.

At least Kim Stanley Robinson, as hopeful an auteur-as-hope-artist as sci-fi has ever produced (aided greatly by an above average narrative talent), had the decency to factor in oppression, rage, revolution, ecological destruction and reaction.

You, not so much.

High Arka said...

If you believe in the money, then you're right--it doesn't add up.

If you think humans can't build things, then perhaps, indeed, there is "no escape."

Maybe among a people free of communal partitioning, the shunning of new ideas, and the patience to discuss things at length--underscored by the belief that humans are not inherently sinful, terrible beings who deserve violent punishment--we could exceed the boundaries of what you currently allow your imagination.

(Commercial science transcribers peddling fiction-technical writing branded as "art" are industry projection reps; they are not artists.)

Anonymous said...

Goodness, it seems Arka makes friends everywhere HE goes.

Jack Crow said...

You leap from "humans..." to "...build things" without accounting for any of the material conditions in which they are built, Arka.

It's as if you think hope alone digs the ore out of the ground.

Anonymous said...

That's not hope but hundreds of GW Coming outta them nuclear powerplants. TDS

High Arka said...

The material conditions are illusory. You have spent some time and effort, sometimes cleverly, describing how various elements of our nation-states are ridiculous, unnecessary, artificial structures built on lies. Is it so terribly hard to imagine that they might one day come down? That all the resources and labor available out there, and the greater ones that unchecked innovation could produce, could be channeled in a way you haven't yet imagined?

Is it so ridiculous that man might someday walk on the moon, or figure out a way to no longer be afraid of twelve hundred pound carnivorous bears on a daily basis? To fly through the air like a bird? It's always a cheap thrill for small minds, at each stage of advancement, to mock as impossible what the future might look like. Or to bemoan, with a scotch or equivalent, how nothing will really change, because life sucks.

Perhaps it is unlikely that people will do it in a minute, a year, or a generation; it is certain there will be challenges. This one shares your bitterness at many aspects of, shall we say, the Powers That Be.

We must be careful, though, that appreciating how stupid and bad some things are does not guide us into despair--however educated or expert-opinioned that despair is.

It is true that Obama is slightly, marginally more palatable on some issues than Romney, if those issues are viewed in complete isolation. Should we, then, be realistic and pragmatic and reasonable and vote for him? Perhaps it's fairly certain that either Obama or Romney will win the election in 2012, no matter how vigorously we might suddenly push third party candidate IOZ. Should that decide the issue for us?

But oh, wait--the new, required disclaimer: "It's just a joke. It's all just a funny joke. It's uncool to take things seriously."

@8:16 anonymous: you did the right thing. You should never listen to what someone says without first figuring out who they are, so that you can judge their words based upon their gender, sexuality, race, socioeconomic status, or favorite sports team. Preconceptions, like secrets of national security, exist for a reason.

Justin said...

Is it so ridiculous that man might someday walk on the moon,

Say what you will about the merits of the aeronautical space program, but we should at least be able to agree that putting a man on the moon was pretty damn ridiculous. I could hardly think up a more extravagantly absurd waste of perfectly good resources.

High Arka said...

The same could be said about developing machines that can tell you what two plus three is--utterly worthless; egotistical; a massive expenditure of resources to accomplish an end that any western European child can already tell you by memory.

Our elites share that cynicism of dynamic, beneficial progress, which is why they reluctantly fund only PR science. The short-term capitalism that you might decry is what makes it imprudent to invest in technologies that could take seven generations to pay off.

Yet, many here are parceling out hope as judiciously as a miser spends his coins. Why repress something that, like love, lust, and compassion, provides an end net gain of exponential increases?

Perhaps the answer to that is the tribal cruelty regularly practiced on those who dare to hope, but hey, what else are we going to do until our ponies get here? As the many anonymous idolaters would say on behalf of their aloof blowhard who can't be bothered to speak for himself, it's just a joke! Ha, ha!

Jack Crow said...

Arka,

You seem to be deliberately skipping over the point: don't think anyone is suggesting that technologies cannot be planned, developed and built; it's just that you ignore how and for whom.

Anonymous said...

Arka, your words are nothing but a bunch of exhortations to 'dare to dream!', along with denunciations of cynicism (defined as the philosophy of anyone who points out how empty your platitudes are). Hearing that you're a professional troll who likes to assume different genders and identities (no wonder you and Eerily get along so well) is just extra toppings.

tdaschel said...

little do Biblical Creationists suspect - among other things - that their entire Evangelical bag of tricks (as we know it today ..) is no older than .. the late 18th c., with much of it being codified for E.Z. consumption in the Nineteenth. Darwinism, er, *Evolutionary Biology*, on the other hand, has an entirely different genealogy, one that finds primeval expression in the economic theories of Thomas Malthus. whose cuisine shall reign supreme? God and/or Impersonal Forces only knows. i just think we should be performing this discussion in the prose style of Tobias Smollett !

High Arka said...

Here's what IOZ actually said:

"unless the liberal program involves rapid depopulation, consider me under-impressed...even if the world converts to 100% solar tomorrow, we'll still be cracking nitrogen and running industrial ag to feed our ever-more-gaping human maw; we'll still be stripping the top layer off of Western China to make components for your computer, etc.

It's gonna take a hell of a lot more hellfire missiles to inoculate Gaea against human-caused climate change."

This is a fantasy of death. It is the very definition of cynicism, which came at the beginning of all this latest. Jesus will come back and send the sinners to Hell; the flood will drown them; the aliens will rescue our jello-poisoned bodies; the world will be covered in a righteous death that everyone really deserves for their industrial sins.

It's also a message of hopelessness. There is nothing you can do, says IOZ. Even your wildest fantasies are insufficient to save us. (His upper boundary of hope is set at what we currently call "solar power.") It is too late; the bell has tolled for thee. Even your wildest predictions will not "inoculate" Earth against the scourge of humans. This has ever been the language of those who indifferently supported genocide.

The painfully short memories being here exercised, even within a single discussion thread, threaten that IOZ may, in fact, be right with the doom and glooming--but thankfully, the world consists not only of IOZ readers, and IOZ readers could themselves do better. You, 2:34 Anonymous, have rallied to the community's defense in contradiction to the words pulled from a blog post made only days ago, but the death fantasy and hopelessness was what sparked this whole thing. Contrary to popular belief, this one did not suddenly spring out of the ether to say, "Dare to dream!" Rather, this one noticed IOZ merrily advocating unavoidable mass death, and suggested that things did not necessarily need to go that way.

(This swift forgetting of history rather mirrors the way that some staunch American conservatives rallied to Bush's WMD defense with the "Saddam shipped them to Syria" story, even after the administration had essentially admitted that it had been a deliberate untruth.)

For purposes of posturing and appearing to be a tribal intellectual, you would have been shrewd to stick with your friends from earlier, who offered the only internally-consistent way out of the blatant deathwish quoted above: the "it's all just a cynical joke" theory. While terrible in its own way, that's at least plausibly defensible.

(Sufficient evidence does exist that IOZ gets off on making ridiculous generalizations, then stretching back in his chair to adjust himself and admire the discussion he "sparked." What "Clown IOZ" doesn't seem to understand is that the people who take his stories seriously are influenced by them, so that these discussion prompts, even if delivered for humor or attention, actually do craft the thoughts of many others toward the ends he advocates--such as, say, inescapable resource wars or extinction. Clown IOZ is an agent of these outcomes, not a mere humorous bystander.)

Mr. Crow, if you allow that we can develop new technologies, do you allow also that we can develop new systems of resource allocation and, say, government? Hope isn't just, or primarily, about starships and laser pistols; its first function is in the value and potential of people. They love their powerful demagogues, and fear their inevitable dooms; perhaps we might show them a better way.

Justin said...

Clown IOZ is an agent of these outcomes, not a mere humorous bystander.

You heard it here first, Ioz is Marylin Manson IRL.

Jack Crow said...

Arka,

Five thousand years of recorded "Western Civilization." Five thousand years of creditor-priests using labor to build ivory towers and Great Monuments. All the justifications and appeals to glory and unity and hope, with the same elision of the death, suffering, destitution, labor and alienation.

You're just restating their plan, according to the same old schema, with a few extra trimmings of hope tacked on to the blueprints. And an identical refusal to take into account how and for whom the Great Projects are built.

Anonymous said...

IOZ, would you please make a statement condemning all bad things so your impressionable audience won't be tempted to go out and enable genocide? Thanks much.

High Arka said...

Mr. Crow, what is, to you, the quantity "five thousand years" next to the quantity, "time humans have existed," or even, "time life has existed"?

This one's failure to constantly agree with you does not need to mean that this one immediately subscribes to all the ideals of your enemies. Perhaps this one missed something, though. What did this one say that makes you feel:

(1) Arka wants the monuments and/or other achievements she speaks of to be built for her and/or a class of creditor priests to which she belongs?

(2) Arka supports credit finance?

(3) Arka supports "death, suffering, destitution, labor and alienation"?

You seem to be taking the fact that High Arka does not recite the same ideas you do, and using it to mean, "Therefore, High Arka is against me. Ergo High Arka supports the same things that others who are against me support."

You might also reconsider the question above that threw you for such a loop: "if you allow that we can develop new technologies, do you allow also that we can develop new systems of resource allocation and, say, government?"

(Justin, "Marilyn.")

Anonymous said...

@Arka's 519 snickering hyena exhortations

We're quite afar from the" stop digging" step being completed. TDS

Anonymous said...

Arka, you idiot, you take IOZ more seriously than all of us put together.

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